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Hi, I have a mystery which I am trying to solve! Charles Henry Barnard married Martha Lavinia Pitman. 1897 - they had a son Percival Charles Barnard registered in Harmondsworth - have his birth certificate. (Staines on BMD record I have found) Percival was given up for adoption (although adoption wasn't officially legal at theis time. He grew up as Percival Thomas. 1904 - Charles & Martha had a son Dudley Arthur Barnard registered in the same place with the same home address etc (have birth certificate) They kept this son. The mystery is that Dudley Arthur was always knwn as Buncombe, not Barnard. Did he change his surname? Did his parents change theirs? Which is their 'real' surname? Charles Henry and his family lived in Surbiton, Surrey (UK) and I have found a census record of a Charles Henry Buncombe b 1865 in Stepney, living in Surrey (father Charles Hope Buncombe, mother Alice Buncombe, nee Price) - these could be his parents if Buncombe was his real name! How do I find out the truth?! There were also 3 sisters which Dudley grew up with: 1906 Winifred 1907 Florence 1909 Hilda - were they Barnard or Buncombe? I can't find records of them at all! I can't find any census records on this family at all - I know they definatle lived in Surbiton, Surrey. Any help would be great!!! Thanks, Steph

Hi Zoe I've manage to find him on the 1891 and 1901 census here we go, 1891 108 Vernon Avenue Basford,Notts Hannah E Broadley Head Widow 40 b Somercotes,Derbys Frederick W Broadley Son 18 Clerk at Pit b Birchwood,Derbys Marion Broadley Daur 9 Scholar b Birchwood Mabel Broadley Daur 9 Scholar b Birchwood Clara Broadley Daur 6 Scholar b Basford Joseph Broadley Son 5 Scholar b Basford 1901 544 Vernon Road Bulwell,Notts Hannah E Broadley Head 50 b Somercotes Lilian M Broadley Daur 21 b Birchwood Marion Broadley Daur 19 Hosiery Tacker b Birchwood Mable Broadley Daur 19 Laundress b Birchwood Clara Broadley Daur 16 Hosiery tacker b Bagnall,Notts Joseph Broadley Son 15 Cabinet maker's apprentice b Bagnall I'm sorry for the confusion I said he was from Newark but that was his father. Emma

Hi Zoe Mine is not really a mystery yet, but could you do a 1901 census lookup please. Looking for Edward Romans born about 1867, should find him in Manchester area. Many thanks Wendy

Hi. Thank You For help. This is driving me mad!!!!! Thomas Maddison, born Sunderland 1857. He married Mary Whyms?? From free BMD I have them listed page 10a. vol 739. When I tried to send for cert, they sent back to say no records!! But it is clearly there, listed in 1876? I think that I have found Mary on the 1861/1871 census, from Ancecestry. The last name is very badly spelt. 1861Census. New castle. Civil Parish St John. Alice Weims 1860 born Newcastle Daughter. Ann ' 1832 Gateshead Wife. Ann ' 1854 ' Daughter. John ' 1854 ' Son. Mary ' 1858 ' Daughter. Robert ' 1830 ' Head. 1871 Cesus Durham, Civil Parish. Hedworth Monkton and Yarrow. Alice Niel Womys. Ann O Niel Crisend Niel Womy. Henry Niel Womys. Isabells Niel Womys Mary Niel Womys. Robert Niel Womys. Daniel O Niel Ann Weymess. Robert Weymess. Head. As you can see It has been badly transcribed. I can't find any of them after 1871. I would be very gratful for any info you can uncover. Kind Regards Viv.

PS Looked for Ralph Marshall on the 1891 Scottish Census as you suggested but no record of him. Looks like this mystery might never be solved Thanks for your help with it Linda

Hi Zoe Here is another one if you are interested. Looking for the Birth of Ralph Marshall abt 1889 Chester Le Street, Durham and or Stephen Ralph Marshall abt 1889 Im so sure this is one and the same person, but would love to know if its Stephen Ralph Marshall on the Birth certificate or Just Ralph Marshall, or if its two different people. Once again he moved to Scotland and I found what I am 99.9% sure is his grave, checked out his death, marriages and a death of a son of his and they all give his name as Stephen Ralph Marshall but we all thought it was just Ralph as this was the family name that has been handed down all the generations. any help would be appreciated Thanks Linda

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Gloryer do you have them in the census together when they are married please post details, thanit is easier to track for me Thanks Zoe

Thank you for trying Zoe, that is the problem I am having - 2 brothers, but the children have the same names, Elizabeth is my husband's gr grandmother, but I am trying to help out a lady in America with her brother James Philip - can find them in the rest of the census but the 1871 is eluding me. Keep up the good work - greatly appreciated. Many thanks Cheryl

Hi Zoe. Trying to establish if my Anne Gurr b1832 daughter of William and Elizabeth is the same one that married Thomas Clifton b 1831 Anne born East Sutton Kent and thomas born Pembury Kent

hi zoe i have the birth certificate of james aspins son john and it states father james aspin, mother elizabeth aspin formerly smith. im struggling so much with this marriage. Also i am wondering if the eldest child sarah ann aspin was his daughter as i cant find a birth for her in burnley, however there was apperently a birth in the right place, right yr (1875) for a sarah ann smith with mother elizabeth. lou

Hi Zoe Re Pratts. The 1871 for William Pratt does state born Isleworth, Middlesex. I haven't been able to get a lookup for Charles & Maria & children on the 1841 census, have posted requests on this board but no response and as I am in Staffs have no access to it. Not to worry! Thanks anyway. Ann (Dorothy)

Hi Zoe thanks very much for the look ups for Thomas Holt. I am really very grateful to you for all your help. You have definitely the right Thomas in 1881 and 1891. on the marriage certificate his fathers occupation was given as fitter. regards Angela

Thanks Zoe, you seem to have found them. Don't know when they married and I can't find Emmaretta as a Theobald or married as Jennings in 1891 Census. Nevertheless, thanks again for your efforts. Alan

Zoe, Rebecca married as a Smith - her father's name was David Smith, Labourer (nice and generic!!). As far as I know she stayed with the Cordingleys until she married - I have pictures of her on her 50th wedding anniversary with the son of Percy Cordingley. I will try asking on Tips if they know about the Abandoned Baby Register. Thanks. Margaret

Louise Do you have one of the childrens birth cert to establish her maiden name is Smith? Can't seem to see her in 1871 or a marriage for them How Weird!! Sorry can't be more help maybe she was married previosly and that's why you can't find a marriage under Smith!! ~~Just a thought Zoe

Cheryl Think this might be them 1871 Head is a Coalminer he is down as George but the Margaret & Ann and Mary all fit in with what you said and the 1881 census Head is a Coalminer Lodger George is a Plasterer and married Ann Dale abt 1865 Usworth Daughter Elswick Northumberland George Dale abt 1817 Newcastle Lodger Elswick Northumberland George Dale abt 1838 Newcastle Head Elswick Northumberland Margaret Dale abt 1869 Seaton, Ireland Daughter Elswick Northumberland Mary Dale abt 1840 Harbor, Seaham Wife Elswick Northumberland Source information: RG10/5081 Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne Sub-registration district: Westgate ED, institution, or vessel: 31 Folio: 66 Page: 23 Household schedule number: 101 Now when I go back to 1851 Elizabeth Dale abt 1844 Newcastle, Northumberland, England Daughter Newcastle upon Tyne St John Northumberland George Dale abt 1818 Newcastle, Northumberland, England Head Newcastle upon Tyne St John Northumberland George Dale abt 1838 Newcastle, Northumberland, England Son Newcastle upon Tyne St John Northumberland James Dale abt 1837 Newcastle, Northumberland, England Son Newcastle upon Tyne St John Northumberland Margaret Dale abt 1819 Newcastle, Northumberland, England Wife Newcastle upon Tyne St John Northumberland William Dale abt 1849 Newcastle, Northumberland, England Son Newcastle upon Tyne St John Northumberland ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Do you have the marriage cert of James and Mary? Wondering what the fathers name is! What does the P stand for cannot find a birth for him Now very strange 1861 I'm wondering if they are brothers George's wife is called Mailda and you know James is Mary George Dale abt 1839 Newcastle Upon Tyne Head Washington Durham James Dale abt 1838 Newcastle Upon Tyne Head Thornley Durham Ahhaaa it's for Phillip Name: James Philip Dale Birth Date: abt 1838 Year of Registration: 1888 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun Age at death: 50 District: Gateshead County: Co. Durham, Tyne And Wear Volume: 10a Page: 461 Doesn't make sense I'm confused how can she be in the 1871 with George 1881 with James and then James dies in 1888 unless he just liked to be called George I'm confused but maybe some of this info will give you an idea Zoe

Thank,s Zoe You have found more of the Day,s family than l knew about ,it is very much appreciated,The Sarah Casey you found is the one l was looking for she did marry Richard Day , she seem,s to have vanished from birth to her marriage anyway thank,s again Carol

Hi Zoe . I dont know when they moved to Scotland only sometime beween 1891 and 1901 I didnt think of looking for the two missing ones in Scotland in 1891 so you could be right on that one. Maybe they were househunting :-) Seems strange to take your daughter and not you wife though? But who knows eh! Im off to bed now its sleep time in Oz, well way past it really and I really have to give me eyes and head a bit of a rest from all of this if thats possible, it seems to have taken over my life this past week, Im truly addicted. Linda

Carol So this is them in 1881 Margaret DAY Head W Female 53 Loftus, York, England Green Grocer Margaret J. DAY Daur U Female 20 Seaham, Durham, England Milliner Thomas DAY Son U Male 19 Hartlepool Marine Engine Fitter Richard W. DAY Grand Son Female 1 Hartlepool -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Dwelling 97 High St Census Place Hartlepool, Durham, England Family History Library Film 1342180 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 4907 / 46 Page Number 30 Can't see them in following censuses! Do you know who Richard married? Here is his birth ref~ This will clear up who parents are Name: Richard William Day Year of Registration: 1880 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: Hartlepool (1859-1938) County: Co. Durham Volume: 10a Page: 1[35]0 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Don't know if you have this his grandmother and her children(more to choose from) oh and sons called Richard and William 1871 Anthony D Day abt 1858 Staithes, Yorkshire, England Son Hartlepool Durham Margaret Day abt 1829 Staithes, Yorkshire, England Wife Hartlepool Durham Margaret J Day abt 1859 Hartlepool, Durham, England Daughter Hartlepool Durham Richard Day abt 1864 Hartlepool, Durham, England Son Hartlepool Durham Robert Day abt 1822 Whitley, Yorkshire, England Head Hartlepool Durham Thomas Day abt 1861 Hartlepool, Durham, England Son Hartlepool Durham William Day abt 1866 Hartlepool, Durham, England Son Hartlepool Durham ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ **CASEY** There are only 3 in 1901 and 1891 none born Hartlepool Do you know fathers name? Sarah Casey abt 1885 Birkenhead, Cheshire, England Daughter Birkenhead Cheshire Sarah Ann Casey abt 1885 Leeds, Yorkshire, England Daughter Leeds Yorkshire **this one out as Ann is middle name** Sarah J Casey abt 1888 Leeds, Yorkshire, England Daughter Leeds Yorkshire Strange thing is here is the birth cert Name: Sarah Jane Casey Year of Registration: 1886 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep District: Hartlepool (1859-1938) County: Co. Durham Volume: 10a Page: 135 Now I presume this is their marriage Name: Sarah Jane Casey Year of Registration: 1906 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Hartlepool (1859-1938) County: Co. Durham Volume: 10a Page: 283 William Day on same page **DO YOU HAVE THIS CERT** as it would give fathers names maybe easier to track them if you know this info..If you don't have it I would advise you to get it so the info you gather collabarates. Zoe