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Hi Frances, can't find any Johns( with any surname) from Pateley Bridge on either census, but did come across this one thats not too far away, 1851 Ann Broadley abt 1843 Dacre, Yorkshire, England Daughter Warsell Yorkshire Elizabeth Broadley abt 1849 Warsill, Yorkshire, England Daughter Warsell Yorkshire Francis Broadley abt 1841 Dacre, Yorkshire, England Son Warsell Yorkshire John Broadley abt 1801 Stean, Yorkshire, England Head Warsell Yorkshire John Broadley abt 1838 Middlesmoor, Yorkshire, England Son Warsell Yorkshire Maria Broadley abt 1842 Warsill, Yorkshire, England Daughter Warsell Yorkshire Mary Broadley abt 1836 Middlesmoor, Yorkshire, England Daughter Warsell Yorkshire Meriam Broadley abt 1813 Waldin, Yorkshire, England Wife Warsell Yorkshire what do you think??? Jane

Hi Jane, I have a John Broadley born Pateley Bridge, Yorkshire in Mar Qtr 1838. Please could you check 1841/1851 to see if there is any further family? Many thanks, Frances

Hi Jane. Thanks for that it is a great help. George

George, think this is him in 1861 Thomas Evans abt 1836 Newport, Pembrokeshire, Wales Servant Morvil Pembrokeshire doesn't help regarding his parents if thats what you are looking for , lol again bad news in 1851.... Thomas Evans abt 1835 Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Servant Bassaleg Monmouthshire fingers crossed for 1841 eh? well, a bit iffy i'm afraid...................no Thomas' in Newport of similar age, found this one as same place he was in as 1861. might need a certificate to confirm another family member , ie marriage, death. David Evans abt 1793 Pembrokeshire, Wales Morvil Pembrokeshire Dorah Evans abt 1825 Pembrokeshire, Wales Morvil Pembrokeshire John Evans abt 1829 Pembrokeshire, Wales Morvil Pembrokeshire Martha Evans abt 1831 Pembrokeshire, Wales Morvil Pembrokeshire Mary Evans abt 1836 Pembrokeshire, Wales Morvil Pembrokeshire Rachel Evans abt 1796 Pembrokeshire, Wales Morvil Pembrokeshire Thomas Evans abt 1834 Pembrokeshire, Wales Morvil Pembrokeshire

Hi Jane thanks for the offer. Im looking for Thomas Evans born in Newport Pembrokshire about 1835. I need to find him on any of the early censuses. Any help greatly appreciated. George

Hi Jane, Thank you ever so much for that. You are a star!!! That is the right family. You have helped me immensely, more rellies to trace back. Yaaaay!!! :-)) Liz

Thanks for checking Jane. How strange to have 2 Elizas. Oh well, everyone to their own! Jennifer.

Hi Jennifer, glad it was right family, now with regards to these 2 Elizas, have had another look for you, and yes there are 2 !!! also can't work out what the one thats been transcribed as Boos is, as that s what it looks like !! the only thing i can think it might be is Rose, Jane

Hello Jane, Its me again with my Allen family. In 1891you have given me Eliza Allen c1880 and Eliza Allen c1885. Is that right? Jennifer.

Thank you Jane. You have advances my tree no end. I thought we were on a sticky wicket when William was alive in 1901, but when I went back to the certificate I found that it was the grooms father that was deceased! Must go and type it all in the tree now. Thank you, Jennifer.

Hi Jennifer well here she is in 1881 14 clifton rd Charles Allen abt 1865 So Hornsey Brother Croydon Surrey Eliza Allen abt 1846 Oundle, Northamptonshire, England Wife Croydon Surrey Eliza Allen abt 1880 So' Norwood, Surrey, England Daughter Croydon Surrey Maria Allen abt 1878 So' Norwood, Surrey, England Daughter Croydon Surrey Mary Ann Allen abt 1876 So' Norwood, Surrey, England Daughter Croydon Surrey ***Sarah J. Allen abt 1874 Stoke Newington Daughter Croydon Surrey William H. Allen abt 1848 Stoke Newington Head Croydon Surrey BRICKMAKER unfortunately in 1891 she is a servant - Sarah Allen abt 1873 Stoke Newington, London, England Servant Croydon Surrey BUT, found the rest of them in 1891 now: 128 clifton rd. Boss Allen abt 1883 Croydon, Surrey, England Daughter Croydon Surrey Eliza Allen abt 1846 Northamptonshire, England Wife Croydon Surrey Eliza Allen abt 1880 Croydon, Surrey, England Daughter Croydon Surrey Eliza Allen abt 1885 Croydon, Surrey, England Daughter Croydon Surrey Maria Allen abt 1878 Croydon, Surrey, England Daughter Croydon Surrey William H Allen abt 1848 South Newington, London, England Head Croydon Surrey William H Allen abt 1888 Croydon, Surrey, England Son Croydon Surrey Alfred Stepherd abt 1868 Ware, Hertfordshire, England Lodger Croydon Surrey and surprisingly enough he is alive and well in 1901 too !!!!!! 128 clifton rd, Eliza Allen abt 1846 Oundle, Northamptonshire, England Wife Croydon Surrey William H Allen abt 1848 Stoke Newington, London, England Head Croydon Surrey BRICKMAKER William H Allen abt 1887 S Norwood, Surrey, England Son Croydon Surrey Elizabeth Heirnos abt 1893 S Norwood Granddaughter Croydon Surrey hope i've not made matters worse now !!! Jane x

Hello Jane, thank you for your offer. Could you please do a look-up in 1891? Do not have a lot of information. Sarah Allen born 1873, born in Croydon. Married in Croydon 2 years later. Her father William Henry Allen had died by then. Do not know if he was alive in 1891. Thank you, Jennifer.

Liz, pmsl sorry................... i thought you wanted the ref. to look at the original yourself, lol but this is what you wanted??? Bose Shubrook(ROSE) abt 1809 Plymouth Wife St George Hanover Square Middlesex Bose(ROSE) Shubrook abt 1835 St Pancras, Middlesex, England Daughter St George Hanover Square Middlesex Eliza B(R) Shubrook abt 1844 St Pancras, Middlesex, England Daughter St George Hanover Square Middlesex Francis Shubrook abt 1808 St James West, Middlesex, England Head St George Hanover Square Middlesex Fred Shubrook abt 1838 St Pancras, Middlesex, England Son St George Hanover Square Middlesex Herbert Shubrook abt 1845 St Pancras, Middlesex, England Son St George Hanover Square Middlesex Jx

Thanks Jane, once again that's brilliant, and much appreciated, Best wishes and good luck Michael

Hi Jane, Thank you for the look ups you did for Benjamin Davis and Alice Shubrook. I am a bit puzzled about what I should do with the reference you gave me for Eliza Shubrook???? Liz

Michael, back on the trail again for you..................... 1881 south st Charles A. Butler abt 1871 Manningtree, Essex, England Son Manningtree Essex Elizth. M. Butler abt 1877 Mistley, Essex, England Daughter Manningtree Essex Elizth. S. Butler abt 1842 Bermondsey, Surrey, England Wife Manningtree Essex Emily Butler abt 1868 Manningtree, Essex, England Daughter Manningtree Essex George Wm. Butler abt 1866 Woolwich, Kent, England Son Manningtree Essex Gertrude E. Butler abt 1876 Manningtree, Essex, England Daughter Manningtree Essex Helen M. Butler abt 1872 Manningtree, Essex, England Daughter Manningtree Essex Henry Butler abt 1874 Manningtree, Essex, England Son Manningtree Essex Joseph K.(R) Butler abt 1841 Woolwich, Kent, England Head Manningtree Essex TIMBER MERCHANT Maria S. Hare abt 1864 Harwich, Essex, England Servant Manningtree Essex 1891 42 Bonners (?) st Charles A Butler abt 1871 Manningtree, Essex, England Son St Matthew Suffolk Elizabeth M Butler abt 1877 Mistley, Essex, England Daughter St Matthew Suffolk Ellen M Butler abt 1872 Manningtree, Essex, England Daughter St Matthew Suffolk Emily Butler abt 1868 Manningtree, Essex, England Daughter St Matthew Suffolk Gertrude E Butler abt 1876 Manningtree, Essex, England Daughter St Matthew Suffolk Henry Butler abt 1874 Manningtree, Essex, England Son St Matthew Suffolk Joseph R Butler abt 1841 Woolwich, Kent, England Head St Matthew Suffolk TIMBER MERCHANT Mary A Butler abt 1842 Swindon, Wiltshire, England Wife St Matthew 1881 Hannah Butler abt 1857 Woolwich, Kent, England Servant St Pancras London Marriages Sep 1882 -------------------------------- Butler Hannah Rebecca Barnet 3a 282 KNIGHT Golding Samuel Barnet 3a 282 1891 Chapel st. Esther C Knight abt 1890 Finchley, Middlesex, England Daughter Finchley Middlesex Golding S Knight abt 1858 Finchley, Middlesex, England Head Finchley Middlesex RAILWAY CLERK Hannah Knight abt 1858 Woolwich, Kent, England Wife Finchley Middlesex Margaret Knight abt 1884 Finchley, Middlesex, England Daughter Finchley Middlesex 1901, 1 Vine cottages Bessie R Knight abt 1892 Finchley, Middlesex, England Daughter Finchley Middlesex Esther C Knight abt 1890 Finchley, Middlesex, England Daughter Finchley Middlesex Goldring S Knight abt 1858 Finchley, Middlesex, England Head Finchley Middlesex RAILWAY CLERK Hannah R Knight abt 1858 Woolwich, Kent, England Wife Finchley Middlesex Margaret M Knight abt 1882 Finchley, Middlesex, England Daughter Finchley Middlesex May Knight abt 1895 Finchley, Middlesex, England Daughter Finchley Middlesex

Hi Jane, right here you go................. 1841 Radish farm William Burrow abt 1826 Oxfordshire, England Sonning Oxfordshire F.S ( assume farm servant) Joseph Frewin abt 1791 Sonning Oxfordshire FARMER Lydia Frewin abt 1791 Sonning Oxfordshire 1871 1 Ross rd Ann Burrous abt 1837 Nuthall, Nottinghamshire, England Wife West Ham Essex Ann Burrous abt 1867 Bromley, Middlesex, England Daughter West Ham Essex Charles Burrous abt 1869 West Ham, Essex, England Son West Ham Essex William Burrous abt 1824 Sonning, Oxfordshire, England Head West Ham Essex GEN LABR William Burrous abt 1855 Mile End, Middlesex, England Son West Ham Essex CARMAN 1881 1 Ross rd Ann Burrows abt 1837 Nottinghamshire, England Wife West Ham Essex Charles Burrows abt 1869 Stratford, Essex, England Son West Ham Essex William Burrows abt 1825 Sonning, Oxfordshire, England Head West Ham Essex GEN LABR William Burrows abt 1855 London, London, Middlesex, England Son West Ham Essex 1891 Bridge / Ridge Rd Charles Burrows abt 1869 Stratford, Essex, England Son West Ham Essex Charles Wm Burrows abt 1891 Stratford, Essex, England Grandson West Ham Essex Mary Ann Burrows abt 1869 Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England Daughter-in-law West Ham Essex William Burrows abt 1825 Sunning, Oxfordshire, England Head West Ham Essex Timber merchant yardman / WIDOW BUT unfortunately the important one, to perhaps find parents, is avoiding me !!!!! sorry hope the others help anyway Jane

Hi lynn here she is in 1871 : Anne Spark abt 1870 Brixham, Devon, England Daughter Brixham Devon Charles Spark abt 1855 Brixham, Devon, England Son Brixham Devon Emanuel Spark abt 1824 Brixham, Devon, England Head Brixham Devon Frances Spark abt 1827 Brixham, Devon, England Wife Brixham Devon Frances Spark abt 1862 Brixham, Devon, England Daughter Brixham Devon Samuel Spark abt 1857 Brixham, Devon, England Son Brixham Devon AND................. here she is in 1881 Anne Spark abt 1871 Brixham, Devon, England Daughter Brixham Devon Charles Spark abt 1855 Brixham, Devon, England Son Brixham Devon Frances Spark abt 1828 Brixham, Devon, England Wife (Head) Brixham Devon Sissey Spark abt 1862 Brixham, Devon, England Daughter Brixham Devon you obviously never thought to search for Sissey, pmsl !!!!!

Thanks Jane your a diamond, and i appreciate all your help All the best Regards Michael

Michael, address was South Hill, and Josephs occupation was clerk at timber merchant, hope that helps. i have tried all the census years, deaths, everything, i can't find the rest of them after 1861 at all............... if i get chance tomorrow night i'll have another scout round for you so watch this space !!!