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Hi Jane, Thanks for your efforts. Never mind Ta Richard

Isobel, no sign in 1881, my theory is they were in Scotland then........ but found them in 1871........ 3 Plantation st Amane (ANN JANE) Davies abt 1871 Merthyr, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Merthyr Glamorgan (1MONTH OLD) Elizabeth A Davies abt 1850 Spittal, Pembrokeshire, Wales Wife Merthyr Glamorgan William Davies abt 1851 Spittal, Pembrokeshire, Wales Head Merthyr Glamorgan COLLIERY CLERK Charles Godvin (GOODWIN) Davis abt 1870 Merthyr, Glamorgan, Wales Son Merthyr Glamorgan

Hi again Richard, thanks for the update, but still no luck i'm afraid.............. sorry Jane x

Many thanks for finding Clara , Jane. Another small step is made. Jan

Hello again Jane, Reference the Dobson/Gaffey families you looked for earlier. I have information on the Gaffey family. William was born in 1797 in Ireland, and he did have a wife Mary abt 1795 also Ireland. And their daughter Elizabeth born in Ormskirk in 1831. Hope this is more help. Thank you again Richard

Hi Elizabeth, here you are, 1891 No address Edward Vear abt 1889 Maltby le Marsh, Lincolnshire, England Son Great Carlton Lincolnshire Joseph Vear abt 1856 Maltby le Marsh, Lincolnshire, England Head Great Carlton Lincolnshire SHEPHERD Louisa Vear abt 1887 Maltby le Marsh, Lincolnshire, England Daughter Great Carlton Lincolnshire Rachel Vear abt 1862 Trusthorpe, Lincolnshire, England Wife Great Carlton Lincolnshire 1901 Rectory Farm. Edward Draper abt 1884 Burwell, Lincolnshire, England Boarder Yarburgh Lincolnshire Charles Grundy abt 1883 Yarburgh, Lincolnshire, England Boarder Yarburgh Lincolnshire Reginald Simons abt 1898 Great Grimsby, Lincolnshire, England Nephew Yarburgh Lincolnshire Edward Vear abt 1889 Maltby le Marsh, Lincolnshire, England Son Yarburgh Lincolnshire Joseph Vear abt 1855 Multby le Marsh, Lincolnshire, England Head Yarburgh Lincolnshire FARM FOREMAN Louisa Vear abt 1887 Maltby le Marsh, Lincolnshire, England Daughter Yarburgh Lincolnshire Rachel Vear abt 1864 Trusthorpe, Lincolnshire, England Wife Yarburgh Lincolnshire

Richard, sorry, no sign of either of those families in 1841 if you could come up with a wife for either of them, it might help.... Jane

Cliff, think this is him if i've followed the right William from 1851......... Emma Holland abt 1840 Nottinghamshire, England Lowdham Nottinghamshire Rebecca Holland abt 1816 Nottinghamshire, England Lowdham Nottinghamshire William Holland abt 1811 Nottinghamshire, England Lowdham Nottinghamshire

Hi Jan, well here is Clara in 1891, Nottingham rd, Frederick Cartledge abt 1873 Nottinghamshire, England Boarder Greasley Nottinghamshire Clara Galpin abt 1855 Nottinghamshire, England Head Greasley Nottinghamshire Sydney J Galpin abt 1886 Nottinghamshire, England Son Greasley Nottinghamshire George L Holland abt 1876 Gainsborough, Lincolnshire, England Boarder Greasley Nottinghamshire Arthur J Lane abt 1876 Boston, American Samoa Boarder Greasley Nottinghamshire James Snowden abt 1874 Nottinghamshire, England Boarder Greasley Nottinghamshire Benjamin Sodd abt 1876 Basford, Nottinghamshire, England Boarder Greasley Nottinghamshire Marriages Sep 1883 -------------------------------------- GALPIN Jesse Nottingham 7b 529 HUSSEY Clara Nottingham 7b 529

Jane Thanks you for finding my Elizabeth Davis in 1901m just need to find her birth in Scotland which seems a lot mor difficult. Thanks again for your help Isobel P.S. Can you trace her family in early census ie 1881 1871 etc

Hi Jane, Does a Matthew Dobson (1805?)a Warehouseman, appear in the 1841 census in either Liverpool or Workington area. He has a son called William b) 1830. Also on 1841 a William Gaffey (abt 1800)possibly a Hatter, has a daughter Eliizabeth b) 1830 possibly Liverpool, Lancs region. Any other family members if possible. Sorry about the format as its info taken off Marriage certificates and later census returns. Regards Richard

Hi Jane have just discovered that William Henry Guyler - who you looked up for me was married again to Clara Galpin.in1896. Please could you look her up for me in the 1891 census. She had a son born 1885 but I don't know if she had other children and who her first husband was. They lived in Nottingham and Sidney Bernard was born in Nottingham. many thanks Jan from L

AWESOME work! I love the creative thinking - blonde... or not!!!!! :~}}}}}}} lol What a variety of mistranscriptions! lol I think you may have hit the nail on the head with Mary Ann in the 1881!!!!! She remarries later in the year - Jul-Aug-Sept in Hackney there were two brides but only one groom shown - Joseph Bird. So that confirms there were no children in her first marriage!!! :~} Please don't let go of that bone!!!! lol Liz xxxxx

Liz, ta for that, so heres Mary in 1861: Alice Reader abt 1854 Finsbury, Middlesex, England Daughter Shoreditch St Leonard Middlesex Elisabeth Reader abt 1817 Gravesend, Kent, England Wife Shoreditch St Leonard Middlesex Henry Reader abt 1820 Cliffe, Kent, England Head Shoreditch St Leonard Middlesex John Reader abt 1845 Gravesend, Kent, England Son Shoreditch St Leonard Middlesex Mary Ann Reader abt 1844 Gravesend, Kent, England Daughter Shoreditch St Leonard Middlesex working on 71 now !!! possible for 81. Mary A. Goltires abt 1845 Gravesend, Kent, England Lodger St John Hackney London WIDOW

Hello Jane, OK, Mary Ann Reader was born 1844 in Gravesend, Kent her father was Henry Reader a coachman I can't establish that Julio & Mary had any children :~{ There was a Julio Paul Galliers born 1884 27 Oxford Rd Islington to a William Galliers and Sophia Lee . William was born in 1844 Westminster I have not been able to establish that they were brothers but it seems very likely. We have no requests on our thread so will be waiting expectantly!!!!! lol :~} Liz xxxx

Hi Liz, wouldn't class myself as intelligent, its just that i'm like a dog with a bone with things like this !!!!! and i really am blonde, honest, lol now, have been trying to find julio & Mary in 1871, as thats the only one that they are going to be together in, unless Mary has died by then too, lol do you have a age for her at all, or maybe her fathers name from marriage certificate so i could find her details on earlier census'? do you know of any children that they had, maybe i could search for them instead to make it easier? will be around for a bit tonight.......................... unless this lots sent me round the bend !!! J x

Hi Jane, Thanks for the info re Scott - it certainly looks like the right family, a bit of a suprise as to where they originated from. Would you please let me have the address where they were living in Ince and what was John T's occupatioin.? Thanks again, thats a very useful bit of info, John

Hi Jane!!!! You're far too intelligent to be blonde!!!! :~} lol I'm about now!!!!! The question is.... are you about?!!! :~} WOW, WOW, WOW & WOW!!!! You have have been busy!!! I am impressed! Louis Caillier certainly looks like he could be our man!!! AWESOME!!! Sorry I did forget the info on Julio's marriage! Julio Paul Galliers (the son) married Mary Ann Reader 23/12/1866. I think he may not have known who his father actually was!!! :~} lol Emma's Husband's name was George FOWLER Grant - related too the Fowler's in the 1841 census?!!! Thank you oh so much Liz xxxxxx

Hi John, think this might be them: Alice Scott abt 1872 Wolstanton, Staffordshire, England Wife Ince in Makerfield Lancashire Arthur Scott abt 1899 Newcastle, Staffordshire, England Son Ince in Makerfield Lancashire John Scott abt 1898 Newcastle, Staffordshire, England Son Ince in Makerfield Lancashire John T Scott abt 1873 Newcastle, Staffordshire, England Head Ince in Makerfield Lancashire Sarah Scott abt 1900 Ince, Lancashire, England Daughter Ince in Makerfield Lancashire

Hello Jane, Would you mind looking in 1901 Census most likely Lancs - could be Wigan for the following SCOTT family. I am afraid I have very little info. about them and I realise that what I have may not be enough for you to find them, probably depend on how much detail your index has. Anyway this is what I have ; John Thomas Scott born abt 1871 Alice Scott born abt 1871 John Thomas Scott born abt 1898 probably in Wigan or Ince. Not a lot to go on, but heres hoping you can find them. Regards John