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Hi Liz, heres the ref. for Eliza Shubrook in 1851 HO107 / 1475 / 45 / 6 can't see this family in 1861 either !!!! had another look for Benjamin, to see if i could place him with a Walter, tried wildcard searches but none of them are with a Walter i'm afraid................ sorry......... Jx

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Hello Jane, can you see if you can find William Butler b 1810 in Woolwich his Wife Mary Butler b 1815 in Strood Kent and Mary Ann Butler their daughter b1838/1839 in Woolwich, they also had a son Joseph b 1840/1841 in Woolwich. I'm hoping you can find them on 1841 census for me. Regards Michael

Hi Jane could you possibly lookup on 1901 census for Julia Louisa Brock born abt 1875-77 in oxford plz thanks Karen

Hi Michael here you are: 1841 Joseph Butter abt 1841 Kent, England Charlton next Woolwich Kent Mary Butter abt 1816 Kent, England Charlton next Woolwich Kent Mary Butter abt 1839 Kent, England Charlton next Woolwich Kent Willm Butter abt 1806 Kent, England Charlton next Woolwich Kent SAWYER

Hi Jane, thanks for the offer, could you try to find Mary Owen on the 1841 in Oxfordshire. She was born in Deddington and would have been between 10 and 20 on the 1841 census. Her father's name was William. Thanks again. Sue

Thanks Jane, that's brilliant i see they were mistranscribed as Butter, so i'm suprised you found them. Is there any address and occupation you could give me. If not Thanks very much for what you'e given me. All the best Michael Ps sorry just saw the sawyer part, Could that possibly be Lawyer as that is what hes shown as on Daughters Wedding cert

Hi Michael, you're very welcome..... sorry no address, did check, and as for sawyer............. was torn between sawyer & lawyer, so yes could be lawyer, sorry , lol Jx

Thanks Jane. that's great if you've got time would now be grateful if you can find them on '51 census, i mea'nt to ask for '41 and '51 look up. Sorry to mess around. Michael

Karen, am struggling !! found them in 1881 for reference, but can find no sign of Julia, or even Louisa if she was known by different name in 1901, found a brother & sister but thats all, was she definatley alive, could she have married by then?? Jane

Susan, think this might be her: 1841 castle st Ann Churchill abt 1781 Oxfordshire, England Deddington Oxfordshire Wm Churchill abt 1816 Oxfordshire, England Deddington Oxfordshire Wm Foard abt 1826 Oxfordshire, England Deddington Oxfordshire Ann Irons abt 1831 Oxfordshire, England Deddington Elizh Irons abt 1805 Oxfordshire, England Deddington Oxfordshire Jas Irons abt 1839 Oxfordshire, England Deddington Oxfordshire Jno Irons abt 1828 Oxfordshire, England Deddington Oxfordshire Mary Irons abt 1835 Oxfordshire, England Deddington Oxfordshire Wm Irons abt 1796 Oxfordshire, England Deddington Oxfordshire Wm Irons abt 1833 Oxfordshire, England Deddington Oxfordshire ****Mary Owen abt 1826 Oxfordshire, England Deddington Oxfordshire occ F.S ( head was farmer, so might be farm servant....) Geo Suerth abt 1838 Oxfordshire, England Deddington Oxfordshire

Thank you Jane, its the best lead yet. Sue

Hi Jane, im not sure if she was married, i cant find anything after 188, in 1891 her mother was married to robert rogers and her two sisters are ther but no sign of Julia, regards Karen

Michael, THINK this might be them in 1851 73 Warwick st, woolwich Mary Butter abt 1815 Deptford, Kent, England Wife Woolwich Kent Mary Ann Butter Woolwich, Kent, England Daughter Woolwich Kent William Butter abt 1804 Woolwich, Kent, England Head Woolwich Kent - dealer in marine stones !!! Emma Elizabeth Butter abt 1846 Plumstead, Kent, England Daughter Woolwich Kent John Richard abt 1841 Woolwich, Kent, England Son Woolwich Kent Richard Henry Butter abt 1850 Woolwich, Kent, England Son Woolwich Kent

Yes that;s them all right Jane, i asked a couple of people if they could find them on any census returns before and they could only be found on 1861 living at no. 1 Warwick Street. I'm on a roll here so i'm going to take a liberty and ask you to look for them on 1871, PLEASE All the best Michael

Michael, won't let them beat me, lol is this Hannah from 1861 in 1871???? Charles A Butler abt 1870 Manningtree, Essex, England Son Manningtree Essex Elizabeth S Butler abt 1842 Bermondsey, Surrey, England Wife Manningtree Essex Emily Butler abt 1868 Manningtree, Essex, England Daughter Manningtree Essex George W Butler abt 1866 Woolwich, Kent, England Son Manningtree Essex ***Hannah R Butler abt 1856 Woolwich, Kent, England Sister Manningtree Essex Joseph R Butler abt 1846 Woolwich, Kent, England Head Manningtree Essex Mary H Wills abt 1858 Bermondsey, Surrey, England Niece Manningtree Essex

Hello again Jane, it looks like it is, is there an occupation for Joseph, the names and places of birth are right, Michael

Michael, address was South Hill, and Josephs occupation was clerk at timber merchant, hope that helps. i have tried all the census years, deaths, everything, i can't find the rest of them after 1861 at all............... if i get chance tomorrow night i'll have another scout round for you so watch this space !!!

Thanks Jane your a diamond, and i appreciate all your help All the best Regards Michael

Hi lynn here she is in 1871 : Anne Spark abt 1870 Brixham, Devon, England Daughter Brixham Devon Charles Spark abt 1855 Brixham, Devon, England Son Brixham Devon Emanuel Spark abt 1824 Brixham, Devon, England Head Brixham Devon Frances Spark abt 1827 Brixham, Devon, England Wife Brixham Devon Frances Spark abt 1862 Brixham, Devon, England Daughter Brixham Devon Samuel Spark abt 1857 Brixham, Devon, England Son Brixham Devon AND................. here she is in 1881 Anne Spark abt 1871 Brixham, Devon, England Daughter Brixham Devon Charles Spark abt 1855 Brixham, Devon, England Son Brixham Devon Frances Spark abt 1828 Brixham, Devon, England Wife (Head) Brixham Devon Sissey Spark abt 1862 Brixham, Devon, England Daughter Brixham Devon you obviously never thought to search for Sissey, pmsl !!!!!