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Pam, ok that helps ta, think this is them, 1881 1 Ash st Ann Marley abt 1872 Liverpool Daughter West Derby Lancashire George M. Marley abt 1862 Liverpool Son West Derby Lancashire John M. Marley abt 1834 Liverpool Head West Derby Lancashire STATION ENGINEMAN John M. Marley abt 1871 Liverpool Son West Derby Lancashire Margaret Marley abt 1845 Newcastle, Northumberland, England Wife West Derby Lancashire Robert Marley abt 1880 Liverpool Son West Derby Lancashire Sarah Marley abt 1875 Liverpool Daughter West Derby Lancashire 1891 Fanny Marley abt 1877 Lancashire, England Daughter Wavertree Lancashire John Marley abt 1871 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Son Wavertree Lancashire Lilly Marley abt 1884 Lancashire, England Daughter Wavertree Lancashire Margaret Marley abt 1846 Newcastle, Northumberland, England Head Wavertree Lancashire Robert Marley abt 1880 Lancashire, England Son Wavertree Sarah Marley abt 1875 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Daughter Wavertree Lancashire but am afraid can't find ANY of them in 1901 !!!!!! must have been badly mistranscribed............. Jx

Hi Jane, Jan in Loughborough here! thank you for your offer of help. I'm trying to find all the sibling members of my Dad's grandad's family. Please could you look in 1891 census to see who else is listed in the household along with Charles Frederick Guyler (age 9, born 1882), Basford, Notts. Parents should be William and Betsy. Thank you Jan (David's wife)

Jan, Hi neighbour !!!! here they are in 1891 for you: Betsy Guyler abt 1852 Eastwood, Nottinghamshire, England Wife Greasley Nottinghamshire Charles Fredrick Guyler abt 1882 Newthorpe, Nottinghamshire, England Son Greasley Nottinghamshire Elizabeth Guyler abt 1878 Newthorpe, Nottinghamshire, England Daughter Greasley Nottinghamshire John Henry Guyler abt 1877 Newthorpe, Nottinghamshire, England Son Greasley Nottinghamshire Linda Guyler abt 1884 Newthorpe, Nottinghamshire, England Daughter Greasley Nottinghamshire Walter Lemb Guyler abt 1890 Newthorpe, Nottinghamshire, England Son Greasley Nottinghamshire William Hy Guyler abt 1849 Mansfield, Nottinghamshire, England Head Greasley Nottinghamshire Winefred Lemb Guyler abt 1888 Newthorpe, Nottinghamshire, England Daughter Greasley Nottinghamshire

Liz, am confused now, lol was Galliers not Elizabeths maiden name then? Jx

Hi Jane, When you reminded me about the death of an Elizabeth Galliers in 1867 I went and looked at that death cert. and re-dicovered the fact she was married!!!! So Galliers may or may not be her maiden name - maybe she was widowed not long after she was married or maybe her husband was in 'foreign parts' at the time!!! lol As you can see I'm a little confused too!!!! :~) So ANYTHING you can find on Louis (Lewis) Galliers would be brilliant!!!! Liz x

Liz, mmmm tricky !! well firstly no luck with Peter Raggala, never to be seen again, lol. and not having any luck with Louis / Lewis either now........... who was the informant on Elizabeths death certifcate??? do you have any of Julios certificates? thinking caps still on !!!!! Jane x UPDATE, 1901 Mary A Norchi abt 1828 France Head Tunbridge Wells Kent Mary A T Norchi abt 1853 London, England Daughter Tunbridge Wells Kent so now Mary snr born in France, lol, think this another son of egi & Mary, 1881 Isabel M. Norchi Lewisham, Kent, England Daughter Lewisham London Jessie Norchi abt 1854 St Pancras Wife Lewisham London Luigi Norchi abt 1848 London St Martins , London, Middlesex, England Head Lewisham London Luigi Norchi abt 1879 Shepherds Bush, Middlesex, England Son Lewisham London Births Jun 1848 --------------------------- NORCHI Luigi Antonio St Martin 1 121 1891 May Narchi abt 1881 Lewisham, Kent, England Daughter Hampstead London Lenige A Norchi abt 1848 St Martins, London, England Head Hampstead London Luigi V Norchi abt 1879 Hammersmith, Middlesex, England Son Hampstead London Tessie Norchi abt 1854 St Pancras, Middlesex, England Wife Hampstead London Claude Norclie abt 1883 Lewisham, Kent, England Son Hampstead London Geoi S Norclie abt 1888 Kentish Town, Middlesex, England Son Hampstead London Grace Norclie abt 1886 Stoke Newington, Middlesex, England Daughter Hampstead London 1901 Emily Finch abt 1885 Hampstead, London, England Servant Willesden Middlesex Claud A Norski abt 1883 Lewisham, Kent, England Son Willesden Middlesex Edwin E Norski abt 1895 Hampstead, London, England Son Willesden Middlesex *********************** George S Norski abt 1888 London, Middlesex, England Son Willesden Middlesex Grace A Norski abt 1886 London, Middlesex, England Daughter Willesden Middlesex Hugh K Norski abt 1892 Hampstead, London, England Son Willesden Middlesex Jessie Norski abt 1854 London, Middlesex, England Wife Willesden Middlesex Luigi Norski abt 1849 London, Middlesex, England Head Willesden Middlesex Mary J B Norski abt 1881 Lewisham, Kent, England Daughter Willesden Middlesex Victor Norski abt 1879 London, Middlesex, England Son Willesden Middlesex ********************* Births Sep 1894 ---------------------------- Norchi Edwin Egiseppo Hampstead 1a 622 named after grandfather????????????

Hi Jane!!! Thank you so much so far!!!! Edwin Egissippo Norchi is my grandfather and is named after his grandfather!!!! lol The informant on Elizabeth's death certificate is M. A. Railton residing at 9 Chart Street - the same place Elizabeth was residing when she died... I'll be interested to see what you can find :~} Liz xxx

LIZ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! look.......................... in 1861, Emma Railton abt 1842 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Daughter Shoreditch St Leonard Middlesex Henry Railton abt 1803 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Head Shoreditch St Leonard Middlesex Mary Railton abt 1807 Tuddenham St, Suffolk, England Wife Shoreditch St Leonard Middlesex Mary Ann Railton abt 1839 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Daughter Shoreditch St Leonard Middlesex ADDRESS.....................9 CHART ST !!!!! ooh i am soooooooo excited now, lol be right back !!!

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol You are BRILLIANT!! Now to find the link.......... :~} You did so very well to find the 'Narski' family!!!!! Liz

Liz, pleased then??? pmsl its killing me, am determined to find them in 1871 !! my theory, for what its worth, is that Mary Railton(snr) is Elizabeths sister................... could be wrong........... but you never know. i WILL solve this, lol

Liz, don't think 1871 is going to help................. Claras Aflals abt 1866 Hoxton, Middlesex, England Daughter Little Ilford Essex Emiel Aflals abt 1868 Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England Son Little Ilford Essex Ernest Aflals abt 1865 Hoxton, Middlesex, England Son Little Ilford Essex Felicidad Aflals abt 1870 Islington, Middlesex, England Daughter Little Ilford Essex Maria Aflals abt 1842 Finsbury, Middlesex, England Wife Little Ilford Essex Shlaby Aflals abt 1832 Morroco Head Little Ilford Essex Emma Railtons abt 1845 I??bury, Middlesex, England Wiife's Sister Little Ilford Essex Mary Railtons abt 1811 Luderham, Suffolk, England Mother-in-law Little Ilford Essex are you just trying to cover every country in the world with this lot, lol, even got morroco thrown in now too !!!!!! got to leave it for tonight now, will sleep on it......... or have nightmares about it all , pmsl !! Jx

Oooooh!! The 1871 family looks interesting!! Thank you so very much for all your time and great effort tonight - slowly cracking the code!!! Sweet dreams!!!!!! :~} Liz xxx

Jane I have found my family on the 1891 census (see below) looking to find the family on the 1901 census especially Elizabeth B Davis Isobel 1891 census transcription details for: Pembroke Street, Southwick National Archive Reference: RG number: RG12 Piece: 4147 Folio: 30 Page: 53 Reg. District: Sunderland Sub District: Monk Wearmouth Enum. District: 5 Ecclesiastical District: St Columbo Parish: Southwick City/Municipal Borough: Address: Pembroke Street, Southwick Name Relationship to Head of H'hold Condition Sex Age Profession/Occupation, Disability Where Born -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DAVIS, William Head Married M 40 Steel Works Stocktaker Spittal Pembrokeshire -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DAVIS, Elizabeth A Wife Married F 41 Pembrokeshire Mathery -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DAVIS, William A Son Single M 16 Steam Winch Driver Swansea Glamorganshire ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DAVIS, David L Son M 14 Swansea Glamorganshire -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DAVIS, George B Son M 11 Scholar Swansea Glamorganshire -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DAVIS, Elizabeth B Daughter F 7 Scholar Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DAVIS, Benlate T Son M 5 Scholar Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DAVIS, Sarah B Daughter F 3 Scotland --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Wow what service. Thank you so much, didn't know about Linda before. May come back to you again! Jan

Hi Jane, I am with you on your theory that Mary Railton is Elizabeth's sister. I have Julio's marriage certificate - on it he says he is a stationer and that his father was Julio Galliers(deceased) Merchant. :~} The marriage took place in St James Shoreditch and the witnesses were William Cleland and Louisa Caroline Toms. He lived at 26 Smith's Buildings. We have traced Mary Railton in the 1881 to Emma Grant her daughter. Also found her death in Lewisham aged 90. I am sooo very grateful for everything you have done and continue to do , I really value your expertise Liz xxxxxx ****************************** Deaths Jun 1891 Railton  Mary 90 Lewisham 1d 81 *************************************** 1881  George GRANT   Head M  Male 36 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Clerk Merchts   Emma GRANT   Wife M Female 38  Shoreditch, Middlesex, England   Henry G. GRANT   Son Male 4 Lewisham, Kent, England   Alice Emma GRANT   Daur  Female 1 Lewisham, Kent, England   Mary RAILTON   Mo In Law W Female 74 Judnam, Suffolk, England     Source Information: Dwelling  17 Jerrard Street Census Place Lewisham, Kent, England Family History Library Film  1341171 Public Records Office Reference  RG11 Piece / Folio  0733 / 94 Page Number  54

Hi Isobel, here you go: 1901 20 Lord st. David L Davies abt 1877 Swansea, Gloucestershire, England Son Jarrow Durham Elizabeth A Davies abt 1850 Mathry, Pembrokeshire, Wales Wife Jarrow Durham Elizabeth B Davies abt 1883 Scotland Daughter Jarrow Durham Herbert V Davies abt 1885 Scotland Son Jarrow Durham Sarah B Davies abt 1888 Scotland Daughter Jarrow Durham William Davies abt 1851 Spittal, Pembrokeshire, Wales Head Jarrow Durham STEELWORKS STOCKTAKER RG13/4740 Registration district: South Shields Sub-registration district: Jarrow ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Folio: 45 Page: 15 Household schedule number: 75

LIZ......................... YOU ABOUT?????? look what i have found......................... fingers crossed...... 1841 Louis Caillier abt 1801 Foreign Parts St Anne Soho Middlesex occupation is courier, but just gonna check later census see of he is still about !! mmmm...... 1851 Louis Coillier abt 1800 Switzerland Servant Westminster St James Middlesex VALET now, but theres another country for your collection if its him !!! ------------------------------------------------------------------- back to Railtons........... 1841 Worship st. Ann Drakeford abt 1771 Middlesex, England St Leonard Shoreditch Middlesex Sophia Drakeford abt 1791 St Leonard Shoreditch Middlesex Chanele Florence abt 1821 Middlesex, England St Leonard Shoreditch Middlesex Ann Fowler abt 1821 Middlesex, England St Leonard Shoreditch Middlesex Chappell Fowler abt 1826 Middlesex, England St Leonard Shoreditch Middlesex Ann Horne abt 1796 Middlesex, England St Leonard Shoreditch Middlesex Charles Horne abt 1796 Middlesex, England St Leonard Shoreditch Middlesex **** Mary Railton abt 1806 St Leonard Shoreditch Middlesex ****Mary Railton abt 1839 Middlesex, England St Leonard Shoreditch Middlesex could others be family members !!! 1851 30 worship st, Emma Railton abt 1842 Daughter Shoreditch Middlesex Henry Railton abt 1802 London, England Head Shoreditch Middlesex Mary Railton abt 1806 Suffolk, England Wife Shoreditch Middlesex Mary Ann Railton abt 1839 Shoreditch Daughter Shoreditch Middlesex ALSO, confused again, don't take much does it, lol you gave me details of Julios marriage, when did this take place, and wifes name please? AND you gave Julios father as Julio, deceased. is the Julio ive been looking for the son or father in this marriage??? please remember, i am blonde and need things simplifying(?), pmsl !!!!

Hello Jane, Would you mind looking in 1901 Census most likely Lancs - could be Wigan for the following SCOTT family. I am afraid I have very little info. about them and I realise that what I have may not be enough for you to find them, probably depend on how much detail your index has. Anyway this is what I have ; John Thomas Scott born abt 1871 Alice Scott born abt 1871 John Thomas Scott born abt 1898 probably in Wigan or Ince. Not a lot to go on, but heres hoping you can find them. Regards John

Hi John, think this might be them: Alice Scott abt 1872 Wolstanton, Staffordshire, England Wife Ince in Makerfield Lancashire Arthur Scott abt 1899 Newcastle, Staffordshire, England Son Ince in Makerfield Lancashire John Scott abt 1898 Newcastle, Staffordshire, England Son Ince in Makerfield Lancashire John T Scott abt 1873 Newcastle, Staffordshire, England Head Ince in Makerfield Lancashire Sarah Scott abt 1900 Ince, Lancashire, England Daughter Ince in Makerfield Lancashire

Hi Jane!!!! You're far too intelligent to be blonde!!!! :~} lol I'm about now!!!!! The question is.... are you about?!!! :~} WOW, WOW, WOW & WOW!!!! You have have been busy!!! I am impressed! Louis Caillier certainly looks like he could be our man!!! AWESOME!!! Sorry I did forget the info on Julio's marriage! Julio Paul Galliers (the son) married Mary Ann Reader 23/12/1866. I think he may not have known who his father actually was!!! :~} lol Emma's Husband's name was George FOWLER Grant - related too the Fowler's in the 1841 census?!!! Thank you oh so much Liz xxxxxx