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Brian Ok when do you think he got married as the marriage cert would give us his fathers name and occupation! I have found a John Thomas Moore in 1891 as this matches with the one you have in 1901 as their are only 2 people with Thomas Moore as there name b Blackburn in 1901, the other is also in the 1891 so that only leaves John Thomas. Now as I said best if you find the marriage cert then we could esablish fathers name Looks like I might be right with his original name being John Thomas Marriages Sep 1901 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Moore John Thomas W. Derby 8b 807 THOMPSON Sarah Ann W.Derby 8b 807 Do you know Sarahs age and have you found her in 1901 they should have been near each other as they only got married a few months after the census if this is the correct cert!! Zoe

Sandra 1851~Westcott Head is a Ag Lab All men in household are Ag Labs Jessey Long abt 1827 Burbage, Wiltshire, England Son Burbage Wiltshire Mary Long abt 1787 Easton, Wiltshire, England Wife Burbage Wiltshire Mary Long abt 1838 Burbage, Wiltshire, England Granddaughter Burbage Wiltshire Semion Long abt 1829 Burbage, Wiltshire, England Son Burbage Wiltshire William Long abt 1787 Burbage, Wiltshire, England Head Burbage Wiltshire Zachariah Long abt 1832 Burbage, Wiltshire, England Son Burbage Wiltshire Zoe

Lysianne Woo your gonna have to give me time on this one, could you please help me out by giving me all the census info you have(ie folio no's etc so I can have a look at those). Many thanks Zoe

hi zoe thanks for offer i dont know if you can help but could you please look for a stephen kimber b 1809 plaitford wiltshire wife ann ? and a john fisher b 1801 birch essex looking fo a wife of poss his parents names will take anythink thanks sandgroper

Hi Zoe Thanks so much for your kind offer. Here are the children’s birth years: Agnes HOPE 1832 Euphemia HOPE 1835 Charles HOPE 1839 Janet HOPE 1840 Margaret HOPE 1841 Isabella HOPE 1844 Jane HOPE 1847 Thomas HOPE 1850 Their parents: Robert HOPE and Margaret MOIR (MOOR, MAIR, MOORE, MUIR) Lots of variations on that one. Regards Gloria J Moloney Caboolture, Australia

Hi Zoe, I am trying to get info on my mother's parents. Her name was Margaret May Newton, born 24 May 1930. I have the BMD for that time period, showing a Margaret M with a mother's maiden name of Redhead. I believe my Grandmother's name was Eva, and I've found an Eva Redhead married in 1st quarter 1911 which would be about the right year, but no corresponding Newton marriage entry. So I looked at the birth registry again, and ther are 3 babies listed only as Margaret, no 'M'. One of the mother's maiden names is Young, and I found an Eva Young marriage 1st quarter 1911, but I cannot read the district and cannot find a corresponding Newton marriage. Without my mother's birth certificate at hand (I believe it to be lost) I am stuck not knowing my grandfather's name. If you feel like tackling this one, I've a similar problem on my dad's side of the family!! Thanks, and let me know if you have any questions. Regards, Kathleen

Irene Who did Thomas Marry and can you give me the details you have on Thomas & wife in 1871/1881 Thanks Zoe '1861 England Census > Shropshire > Great Dawley > District 6 (ony showing 2 pages) Enumeration description says it covers streets and roads that are not on either of the two pages. in 1871 census this district has 85 pages. Conclusion is pages are missing.' **Suzanne Butler** said this on another board about missing census pieces

hi zoe, a fresh pair of eyes will do quite nicely as mine are black from hitting the walls!!! how can i find out who he is advice would be welcome. the gentleman in question is a RAYMOND HULL c1936 he was in training in royal navy as a cook in 1956 in wetherby. i've contacted navy, put advert in navy news and advertised on service pals on channel 4 all to no avail as yet. i have no living relatives to ask. thank you for reading this maybe you could give it some thought. regards julie

Hi Zoe Many thanks for info on William Albert Ball. Please can you look up for me George Long born c1870 in Burbage, Wiltshire, his parents Jessie Long c1826 and Elizabeth ? 1829c, and Jessie's mother Mary Long born c1785. They were all born in Burbage except for Elizabeth born in Easton, Wiltshire. Thanks Sandra

Hi Zoe Re: George Robert Godsiff & the Kelly Trust Mystery Thanks for all that info last night regarding George. Yes I think those were his parents George b:1794 Faversham & Mary Ann Newton b:1805 Yarmouth, ((Mary Ann was in a workhouse by 1881!) But as you saw - no Irish Connection. I have already traced all George's children & partners (my Gt Grandmother Rebecca's siblings) and I am now going on to do the same with her father George's siblings. Until you gave me the 1871 I didn't know who his siblings were as there are so many Godsiff's in Kent (all related). I also have looked into Rebecca's mother side, Ditcham, but no luck there. As I said on your thread yesterday I have only found 2 irish connections but not of the Kelly name. So whether I will ever find the answer to the Kelly Trust mystery, I will never know! Thanks for your help anyway and if you do come up with any other leads I will be mos interested. Regards Ingrid

Hi Zoe Many thanks for your kind offer. I don't know if there are any answers to this one; I have been racking my brains, but maybe I'm missing something obvious..... I have the marriage certificate for my 2x gt grandfather's marriage in 1872, to an Emily Best (definitely right - he was a Goldingay, and I have millions of evidence on that one). Her father was apparently a Stephen Best, mariner. I have found her with her mother, Georgina (b abt 1831ish), a widow, in 1871, and have found them both in 1881, 1891 and 1901. I recently had a breakthrough, when I found that her sister, Emily (b abt 1829ish), who was married to a man called William Bissett (sometimes Bissell on censuses), had a nephew called Charles Burchell with her in 1871, got his birth certificate, and found his mum Caroline's maiden name was Bannister. This led to Georgina with her sister Caroline (b abt 1826ish) in 1851, and six month old Emily junior. Hooray! However, Georgina was unmarried, and still Bannister. I have looked at every Stephen Best on the 1851 and 1861 censuses, and every Stephen Best death on FreeBMD between 1841 and 1881; I'd already looked about a million times for Stephen Best marriages on FreeBMD, and have looked for Georgina Bannister marriages on familysearch. Nothing fits the bill. Georgina is definitely a widow on every census from 1871 onwards, her death is registered as Best, and she is Best on the family grave in the City of London Cemetery. The two bits of info I don't have which would be helpful are her entry on the 1841 and 1861 censuses; Lorraine very kindly looked for her on the former, and I can't find her on the latter. I wonder if she ever really married; I can't find her sister Emily's marriage (purportedly between 1851 and 1861) at all, and Caroline married Charles Lyons Leopold Alternacker in 1852, according to the GRO, by which time she already had several kids. I ordered the certificate in March, but no sign of it yet..... I am pretty sure Caroline's husband was Jewish, so I wonder if they perhaps had Jewish ceremonies which weren't recognised by the official registration people? My other theory is that Stephen Best was made up by Georgina because of the stigma of illegitimacy. But why call him something like Stephen, which isn't very common? Anyway, if you have any thoughts on any of this, I would be very grateful..... Sorry to give you so much detail, but I thought it was such a puzzle it was better to tell you the whole tale of woe. Many thanks in advance for your time and consideration Lysianne

Anita You still should get the marriage cert to ensure you have the right family I would hate to send you in the wrong direction Ok this is a possible~ mistranscribed as Panner but Genner on image Head is a Road Labourer 99 New street Albert Genner abt 1891 Quarry Bank, Staffordshire, England Son Quarry Bank Staffordshire Eliza Genner abt 1886 Quarry Bank, Staffordshire, England Daughter Quarry Bank Staffordshire John Genner abt 1889 Quarry Bank, Staffordshire, England Son Quarry Bank Staffordshire Lily Genner abt 1899 Quarry Bank, Staffordshire, England Daughter Quarry Bank Staffordshire Lucy Genner abt 1892 Quarry Bank, Staffordshire, England Daughter Quarry Bank Staffordshire Nellie Genner abt 1894 Quarry Bank, Staffordshire, England Daughter Quarry Bank Staffordshire Princess Genner abt 1861 Quarry Bank, Staffordshire, England Wife Quarry Bank Staffordshire Samuel Genner abt 1864 Quarry Bank, Staffordshire, England Head Quarry Bank Staffordshire Samuel Genner abt 1883 Quarry Bank, Staffordshire, England Son Quarry Bank Staffordshire Source information: RG13/2762 Registration district: Stourbridge Sub-registration district: Kingswinford ED, institution, or vessel: 45 Folio: 108 Page: 5 Household schedule number: 26 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I wonder if his mums name was really Princess or it was just an affectionate name!! Now this looks like his birth Births Mar 1884 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Genner Samuel Stourbridge 6c 207 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Do you have a birth cert of ant of his children how did you get his wifes name? Just wondering why he added Thomas to his name at marriage!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1891 Head a Coal Miner It does look like Ganner on image but the census taker may have mistranscribed the name Albert Ganner abt 1890 Quarry Bank Son Kingswinford Staffordshire Eliza Ganner abt 1886 Quarry Bank Daughter Kingswinford Staffordshire Elsie Ganner abt 1888 Quarry Bank Daughter Kingswinford Staffordshire Frank Ganner abt 1884 Quarry Bank Son Kingswinford Staffordshire John Ganner abt 1889 Quarry Bank Son Kingswinford Staffordshire Princess Ganner abt 1863 Quarry Bank Wife Kingswinford Staffordshire Samuel Ganner abt 1863 Quarry Bank Head Kingswinford Staffordshire Samuel Ganner abt 1883 Quarry Bank Son Kingswinford Staffordshire Source information: RG12/2310 Registration district: Stourbridge Sub registration district: Kingswinford ED, institution, or vessel: 44 Folio: 100 Page: 30 GSU Number: 6097420 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ HHHMMM Frances & Princess are similar 1881 Samuel is a Coal miner Frances Ganner abt 1863 Quarry Bank, Staffordshire, England Boarder Wife Cradley Worcestershire Samuel Ganner abt 1863 Quarry Bank, Staffordshire, England Boarder(Head) Cradley Worcestershire ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Here is the 1871 source info Source information: RG10/3030 Registration district: Stourbridge Sub-registration district: Kingswinford ED, institution, or vessel: 43 Folio: 57 Page: 11 Household schedule number: 57 GSU Number: 838835 Hope this helps Zo

Anita if you get the marriage cert it would give you their ages and fathers name so I would advise that I think Martha may have been born around 1881(looking at birth refs) You need the cert to go further or you will follow the wrong branch Zoe

Anita How do you know he was born 1871? Do you have his birth cert as this would provide us with parents names and occupations and address. What is the birth ref you have for him which district. Where was Horace born? Or his marriage cert, as this would give fathers name. If not here is the ref Marriages Sep 1903 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Genner Samuel Thomas Dudley 6c 95 WOODALL Martha Ann Dudley 6c 95 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Possible son! Births Mar 1907 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GENNER Samuel Thomas Dudley 6c 21 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I cannot attempt to find him without some other info I think you will need to order the marriage cert! Please do get back to me when you have more info as it should be easier to find something Zoe

Claire You would be best putting your situation on the Trying to find board there are many helpful people who maybe able to help I really help on families before 1910 as it is much easier to go backwards than forwards(for me that is) Good luck you could also try posting on the tips board and ask people for tips on what to do!! Zoe

Ingrid This maybe of interest LOOK WHO THE MOTHER AND FATHER ARE AND LOOK WHERE THE SON WAS BORN 1871 Eliza Godsiff abt 1845 Chatham, Kent, England Wife Chatham Kent Eliza Godsiff abt 1864 Chatham, Kent, England Daughter Chatham Kent Ellen Godsiff abt 1868 Chatham, Kent, England Daughter Chatham Kent ***George Godsiff abt 1794 Faversham, Kent, England Father Chatham Kent Mary A Godsiff abt 1866 Chatham, Kent, England Daughter Chatham Kent ***Mary Ann Godsiff abt 1805 Yarmouth, Norfolk, England Mother Chatham Kent Thomas Godsiff abt 1839 Rochester, Kent, England Head Chatham Kent Thomas Godsiff abt 1862 Chatham, Kent, England Son Chatham Kent William Godsiff abt 1860 Chatham, Kent, England Son Chatham Kent From IGI Thomas Godsiff Male -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: Christening: 25 NOV 1838 St Mary, Chatham, Kent, England -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: George Godsiff Mother: Mary Ann

Ingrid Possible sibling for George (b.1828) Helen Godsiff Female -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: Christening: 20 OCT 1833 St Mary'S, Chatham, Kent, England -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: George Godsiff Mother: Mary Ann Godsiff +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Now this is only a possibility for George Roberts parents marriage GEORGE GODSIFF Male Marriages: Spouse: MARY ANN NEWTON Marriage: 08 AUG 1825 Gorleston With Southtown, Suffolk, England ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Do you know Rebecca's mothers maiden name is it possible her name is Kelly or related And have you found Rebecca's birth ref? Now I do hope this has been some help There maybe some more entries on the IGI that maybe relevant www.familysearch.org Also it may help if you ask for a 1841 lookup as you never know his parents maybe around and with such a uncommon surname you should be ok if they are still alive Good hunting Zo

Ingrid Lets start at what we know 1901~71 College Street Head is a Mechanical Carpenter and Widower Arthur Cocks abt 1890 Putney, London, England Son Putney London Edward Cocks abt 1849 Putney, London, England Head Putney London Ellen B Cocks abt 1887 Putney, London, England Daughter Putney London Ernest Cocks abt 1882 Putney, London, England Son Putney London +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1891 71 College Street Head is a Carpenter Arthur Cock abt 1890 Putney, Surrey, England Son Putney London Caroline M Cock abt 1877 Putney, Surrey, England Daughter Putney London Edward Cock abt 1848 Putney, Surrey, England Head Putney London Edward Cock abt 1878 Putney, Surrey, England Son Putney London Ellen B Cock abt 1887 Putney, Surrey, England Daughter Putney London Ernest Cock abt 1882 Putney, Surrey, England Son Putney London Rebecca Cock abt 1853 Poplar, London, England Wife Putney London Sidney S Cock abt 1880 Putney, Surrey, England Son Putney London ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1881~College St Ewshott Cottage Head is a Carpenter Caroline Mary Cock abt 1877 Putney, Surrey, England Daughter Putney London Edward Cock abt 1848 Putney, Surrey, England Head Putney London Edward George Cock abt 1878 Putney, Surrey, England Son Putney London Rebecca Cock abt 1853 Poplar, Middlesex, England Wife Putney London Thomas Sydney Cock abt 1880 Putney, Surrey, England Son Putney London ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1881 Is this your George? George GODSIFF Male -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Information: Birth Year <1828> Birthplace Rochester, Kent, England Age 53 Occupation Mate Marital Status M <Married> Head of Household George GODSIFF Relation Other Disability -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Vessel 'Inner Dowsing' Census Place Trusthorpe, Lincoln, England Family History Library Film 1341777 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 3260 / 126 Page Number 20 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Presume this is the marriage cert ref Name: Rebecca Godsiff Year of Registration: 1875 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Wandsworth County: London, Surrey Volume: 1d Page: 1026 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1871 Was she a Servant? Rebecca S Godsif abt 1853 Poplar, Middlesex, England Servant St Georges Ward Norfolk Source information: RG10/1785 Registration district: Yarmouth Sub-registration district: Yarmouth Southern ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Folio: 6 Page: 5 Household schedule number: 16 GSU Number: 830831 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1871 Caroline Godsiff abt 1828 Yarmouth, Norfolk, England Wife Nelson Norfolk Ellen Godsiff abt 1868 Yarmouth, Norfolk, England Daughter Nelson Norfolk George Godsiff abt 1828 Rochester, Kent, England Head Nelson Norfolk George Godsiff abt 1855 Poplar, Middlesex, England Son Nelson Norfolk Henry Godsiff abt 1867 Yarmouth, Norfolk, England Son Nelson Norfolk Sarah Godsiff abt 1861 Yarmouth, Norfolk, England Daughter Nelson Norfolk William Godsiff abt 1863 Yarmouth, Norfolk, England Son Nelson Norfolk +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1861 Caroline is a Mariner's (merchant service) Wife Caroline Godsiff abt 1828 Yarmouth, Norfolk, England Wife Great Yarmouth St Nicholas Norfolk Caroline Godsiff abt 1851 Repps, Middlesex, England Daughter Great Yarmouth St Nicholas Norfolk George Godsiff abt 1855 Repps, Middlesex, England Son Great Yarmouth St Nicholas Norfolk Mary A Godsiff abt 1859 Yarmouth Repps Daughter Great Yarmouth St Nicholas Norfolk Rebecca Godsiff abt 1853 Repps, Middlesex, England Daughter Great Yarmouth St Nicholas Norfolk Sarah A Godsiff abt 1860 Yarmouth Repps Daughter Great Yarmouth St Nicholas Norfolk ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Now found this on the IGI ~ don't know if you have it GEORGE ROBERT GODSIFF Male -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: Christening: 03 FEB 1828 Saint Nicholas, Rochester, Kent, England -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: GEORGE GODSIFF Mother: MARY ANN ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Helen So this is them in 1891 Head & Aunt are single Sister is Widowed Sarah Calver abt 1811 Thompson, Norfolk, England Aunt Rockland All Saints Norfolk Elizabeth Daross abt 1847 Rockland All Saints, Norfolk, England Sister Rockland All Saints Norfolk Anne Catchpole abt 1843 Rockland All Saints, Norfolk, England Head Rockland All Saints Norfolk Ernest Chas Catchpole Disdle abt 1884 Watton, Norfolk, England Nephew Rockland All Saints Norfolk Here is his birth Name: Ernest Charles Disdle Year of Registration: 1884 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: Wayland County: Norfolk Volume: 4b Page: 279 This maybe his parents do you have a Harriet Catchpole in your tree Name: John Disdle Year of Registration: 1880 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: Wayland County: Norfolk Volume: 4b Page: 431 Harriet Catchpole on same page Hope this helps Zoe

Zoe, Many thanks. I said it was a nightmare didn't I ? Just found a 10-year old Rebecca Phipps on the 1851, born Milford Lane and living in a school at 45 Stanhope St. Rather looks as though she may be a daughter of Robert & Rebecca and born before the sons William and George. By 1861 she was a housemaid to a doctor in Finsbury but not traced her further yet. Just for laughs, the enumerator was not only a poor speller - listed her as Fipps - but also needed glasses. Apart from the doctor's wife, everyone else was listed as a son!!! Roll on 28/29th April and the 1841 Once again, many thanks. Brenda