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Sheila & Helen, I have e-mailed you the censi copies. Annette

Liz, Your Barnes family on the 1841: Peter Barnes abt 1786 Kent, Occ: Ag.Lab Dianab Barnes abt 1796 Kent, Peter Barnes abt 1826 Kent, Occ: Ag.Lab Elizabeth Barnes abt 1827 Kent, John Barnes abt 1829 Kent, Richard Barnes abt 1831 Kent, Living at Benover, Yalding , Kent. All born in the county of Kent. Only one Richard Barnes born in Kent on the 1851: Richard Barnes abt 1831 Kent, England Lodger Occ: Labourer He is a lodger of Edmond O'Brien & family - Chelsea Middlesex JOHN BARNES (No.1) on 1851: John Barnes abt 1831 Eltham, Kent, Head Occ: Smith Harriet Barnes abt 1826 Bromley, Kent, England Wife John Barnes abt 1850 Bromley, Kent, England Son Kidbrooke Kent JOHN BARNES (No2) on 1851: Abraham Brenchley abt 1826 Chart, Kent, Head Eliza Brenchley abt 1829 Pluckley, Kent, Wife Pluckley Kent Thirza C Brenchley abt 1850 Pluckley, Kent, England Daughter Edward Pillet abt 1824 N Lodger Pluckley Kent John Barnes abt 1828 Pluckley, Kent, Lodger Occ: Farm Lab. Pluckly, Kent No luck with Peter & Diana & Peter Jnr on the 1851. Annette

Hi Annette, I would be most grateful if you would look the following people up in the 1841 & 1851 census - they may or may not be in the same household. John Barnes b abt 1829 Yalding, Kent Richard Barnes b abt 1830 Yalding, Kent Peter Barnes b abt 1816 Teston, Kent If you could also look up their parents if they are not in the same household. Peter Barnes b. ca 1778 Yalding, Kent Diana Barnes b. ca 1789 Teston, Kent Thank you so much Liz

THANKS ANNETTE FOR YOUR TIME. I'M PROBABLY MORE CONFUSED THAN EVER NOW BUT WILL KEEP ON LOOKING..ONCE AGAIN THANKS JODIE IN OZ

HELEN This looks like them on the 1841: Thomas Durrant abt 1791 Ag.Lab Lucy Durrant abt 1796 Martha Durrant abt 1781 Robert Durrant abt 1826 Ag.Lab Thomas Durrant abt 1826 Ag.Lab William Durrant abt 1827 Sarah Durrant abt 1829 Sophia Durrant abt 1832 Address: looks like Fin/Fen Street, Buxall, Suffolk. All born in the county of Suffolk. Same family on the 1851: Thomas Durrant abt 1789 Buxhall, Suffolk, Head, Ag.Labourer Lucy Durrant abt 1793 Rattlesden, Suffolk, Wife Sarah Durrant abt 1830 Buxhall, Suffolk, Daughter Sophia Durrant abt 1832 Buxhall, Suffolk, Daughter Address: Fen Street, Buxhall, Suffolk On the 1861: Thomas Durrant abt 1789 Buxhall, Suffolk, Head, Ag.Labourer Lucy Durrant abt 1793 Buxhall, Suffolk, England Wife Sophia Durrant abt 1832 Buxhall, Suffolk, Daughter Address: Fen Street, Buxhall Suffolk On the 1871: Lucy Durrant abt 1793 Rattlesden, Suffolk, Head Sophia Durrant abt 1832 Buxhall, Suffolk, Dau, Dressmaker Thomas Durrant abt 1848 Buxhall, Suffolk, Grandson, Ag.Lab Address: Cedar Cottage, Buxhall Suffolk Annette

Thankyou for trying, Annette. They were definitely born in Norwich--or at least recorded that on other documents!!! Avril

AVRIL Can't find the Gorman family in Norfolk, 1841. I also searched for George (birth range 1821-1825) in all counties on the 1851 and only these 2 came up: George Gorman abt 1823 born Birmm, Warwickshire, England Head Birmingham Warwickshire George Gorman abt 1825 Ireland Head Sheffield Yorkshire I have found John Bygrave & family on the 1851: John Bygrave abt 1825 St Miles Norwich Head Labourer Maria Bygrave abt 1826 St Benedict Norwich Wife Dress Maker Lovinia Bygrave abt 1846 Norwich Heigham Dau William Bygrave abt 1847 Norwich St Margaret Son Living in Norwich St Swithin Norfolk Is it possible that your Gorman's originated from Ireland? Annette

PAM Can't find Elizabeth or Sarah Thacker on the 1841 or 1851 ... This could be Elizabeth on the 1861, Sarah now married, if so they were both born in Whitehaven, Cumbria: William White abt 1829 Whitehaven, Cumberland, Head, Sailor Sarah White abt 1828 Whitehaven, Cumberland, England Wife Georgina White abt 1860 Liverpool, Lancashire, Daughter Elizth Thacker abt 1800 Whitehaven, Cumberland, Mother-in-law Daniel Logan abt 1851 Liverpool, Lancashire, Lodger Address: 26 Bevington St, Liverpool Lancashire There is a Sarah White living with her cousin George Graham & his wife on the 1851, she was born in Cockermouth, Cumbria and her cousin born in Whitehaven. The address is in Toxteth park, Liverpool. Annette

Hi Annette--Would appreciate a search for the following--1841,Norwich, Norfolk - Patrick Gorman - head of family, wife Mary ages unknown plus son George born c1823 and hopefully other siblings. Same area, same census - John Bygrave c1825 Thankyou for the offer, Avril

CHERYLANN Heres your family on the 1851: Abraham Guest abt 1796 Tyldesley, Lancashire, Head Martha Guest abt 1791 Middle Hulton, Lancashire, Wife James Guest abt 1821 Tyldesley, Lancashire, Son Alice Guest abt 1826 Tyldesley, Lancashire, Daughter Abraham Guest abt 1828 Tyldesley, Lancashire, Son Peter Guest abt 1833 Tyldesley, Son James Schofield abt 1798 Tyldesley, Lancashire, Lodger Andrew Derbyshire abt 1821 Tyldesley, Lancashire, Lodger Occ: all listed are Cotton Weavers except Abraham Jnr who is a Spinner. Address: Back Johnson Street,Tyldesley Lancashire On the 1861: Abraham Guest abt 1796 Tyldesley, Lancashire, Head Cotton Weaver (Widow) Alice Rawlinson abt 1826 Shackerley, Lancashire, Daughter Robert Rawlinson abt 1831 Blackrod, Lancashire, Son-in-law Clogger James Scoldfield abt 1797 Tyldesley, Lancashire, Lodger Cotton Weaver Address: Shuttle Street, Tyldesley. Onthe 1861 there are 2 James Guest born in Tyldesley: 1. Married to Maryan 2. Married to Ann Abraham Guest Jnr & family on the 1871: Abraham Guest abt 1828 Tyldesley, Lancashire, Head Occ: Manager in Cotton Mill Elizth Wines Guest abt 1828 Tyldesley, Lancashire, Wife William Guest abt 1853 Tyldesley, Lancashire, Son Occ: Cotton Piecer Matha Guest abt 1857 Tyldesley, Lancashire, Daughter Occ: Cotton Weaver Peter Guest abt 1863 Bolton, Lancashire, Son Abraham Guest abt 1867 Bolton, Lancashire, Son Address: 45 Haydock St, Little Bolton Lancashire No Peter Guest listed in Lancashire after 1851 Can't find Alice on the 1841 or 1861 Do you know if there is a connection with your family and the Abraham Guest High School in Orrell, Wigan? Annette

HI ANNETTE THANK YOU FOR TRYING REGARDS BRIAN

BRIAN Sorry I've not been able to find any of the family on the 1851 ... they may have been mis-transcribed, possibly as CARTER ?? I've done a few sound-like name searches in both West Ham & Somerset but nothing matched. Annette

JODIE Only found one Thomas Langham (searched birth years 1828-32) on the 1841: Not a very clear image but: Address looks like Bennet Lane or Bennet St, Cambridge: He is aged 10, born in county and living with a couple named Alton & Maria Watson. There is also a Richard Larter* and Harriet Thennes (both aged 20) also living in the same household. *Although this name is recorded as Larter I think it looks more like Foster. In 1851 there were 3: Thomas Langham abt 1804 Leicestershire, England Head Sarah Langham abt 1805 Leicestershire, England Wife Thomas Langham abt 1832 Leicestershire, England Son Census: Leicester, Leicestershire Thomas Langham abt 1832 Bunny, Nottinghamshire, England Servant Living in Shardlow, Derbyshire with a Moore family. Thos Langham abt 1806 Leicestershire, England Head Frances Langham abt 1806 London, Middlesex, England Wife Thos G Langham abt 1829 London, Middlesex, England Son Fanny Langham abt 1831 London, Middlesex, England Dau Frances Young abt 1786 London, Middlesex, England Mother William Salbaway abt 1829 Oxfordshire, England Servant Ann Steel abt 1826 Oxfordshire, England Servant George Freer abt 1830 Leicestershire, England Servant Henry Joyne abt 1829 Cheltenham Servant Living in Paddington, Middlesex I don't know anything about Aussie records but if you found his marriage record that may give you his father's name?? Good luck!

HI ANNETTE JUST TO SAY THANK YOU,IS IT POSSIBLE THAT YOU CAN TRACE THEM IN 1851 FOR ME,I KNOW THEY WERE IN WEST HAM IN 1861.THANK YOU . REGARDS BRIAN

Hello and heres hoping!I'm looking for info on Thomas Langham 1830c Cambridge, England.I have been given different names for his parents and am stuck.Parents could be either(or not) a Sydney(sidney) and Susan nee Johannah or Thomas and Sophia.Not sure when Thomas came to Australia but was married out there in1857approx.He died in oz in 1917.Hope you can help.

Hi Annette, Thank you so much for the Biddle look ups. They have helped me enormously. I think the second one whose occupation was an Ag lab is very likely mine. Great work!!! Liz :~)

SARAH - Update! Sorry I forgot to mention that for births pre September 1837 you would need to check parish/church records. You may be lucky and find them on the Family Search Website. Annette

hi thanks annette it was a help sarahx

SARAH Found the marriage record: Daniel LOVETT marriage to Eliza BALDWIN Dec quarter 1857, Hemel Hempstead, Herts Vol: 3a Page: 435 _________________________________________________ Searched birth years 1856-1859 (all Counties) for Sarah and found only 2 records: Elizabeth Sarah Rachel Lovett born June quarter 1859 Kensington Greater London, Middlesex Sarah Lovett born Sep quarter 1859 MacClesfield, Cheshire _________________________________________________ Searhed years 1858-1862 (all counties) for James: Frederick James Lovett March qtr 1860 Pancras London, Middlesex Henry Albert James Lovett June qtr 1859 Poplar London, Middlesex James Lovett Dec qtr 1859 Leicester, Leicestershire James Lovett June qtr 1860 Radford Nottinghamshire James George Lovett March qtr 1859 Nottingham, Notts James Henry Lovett March 1862 Forehoe, Norfolk Thomas James Lovett Dec qtr 1861 Clifton, Gloucestershire Looks like your family on the 1871: Eliza Lovett abt 1831 Bovingdon, Hertfordshire, England Head Sarah Lovett abt 1859 Bovingdon, Hertfordshire, England Daughter Daniel Lovett abt 1861 Bovingdon, Hertfordshire, England Son James Lovett abt 1863 Bovingdon, Hertfordshire, England Son Living in Bovingdon Hertfordshire All the children are recorded as born in Hertfordshire - you could check with the Register Office for this area as you know the parents names.

BRIAN Your Carder family on the 1841: William Carder abt 1816 born out of county Occ: Horsekeeper Margaret Carder abt 1820 born out of county Maryann Carder abt 1836 born Somerset Susan Carder abt 1838 born Somerset William Carder abt 1841 (1mth) born Somerset Living in Crewkerne, Somerset (next door to the Antelope Inn)