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Pen, Whoopeee - you dont know how hard i tried the 1881 but NEVER thought that Jones would have been spelt wrong!!!! I mean JONES for goodness sake!! Just shows how much of a newbie i am, thank you SO much. The dates of the other children i got from the usual welsh bible source but it gives no other clues than that. 21 Cholmondley st is interesting too Graces husband to be lived down the road and i wondered how they met. Great answers - thank you for your time and effort they're much appreciated. The only other possibility is 1881 welsh census William Griffith babt 1812 at 41 Clifodau st Llanllechid is Catherine Jones father. Could I ask - when you transferred the info i gave you to a 'for my ref' post - how did you do that? for the future - thanks again Jenx

Jen 1891 for my ref Record Catherine Jones abt 1841 Bethesda, N Wales, Wales Wife Widnes Lancashire View Record Elizabeth Jones abt 1881 Widnes, Lancashire, England Daughter Widnes Lancashire View Record Grace F Jones abt 1872 Widnes, Lancashire, England Daughter Widnes Lancashire View Record John W Jones abt 1872 Widnes, Lancashire, England Son Widnes Lancashire View Record Robert Jones abt 1835 Capelcarry, N Wales, Wales Head Widnes Lancashire Source information: RG12/3011 Registration district: Prescot Sub registration district: Farnworth ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Folio: 36 Page: 2 (click to see others on page) GSU Number: 6098121 Please can you share the source of info regarding the other children - Pen x ****UPDATE some progress made, lol. 1881 View Record Catherine Jons abt 1841 Bethesda, Caernarvonshire, Wales Wife Widnes Lancashire View Record Catherine J. Jons abt 1868 Widnes, Lancashire, England Daughter Widnes Lancashire View Record Elizabeth Jons Widnes, Lancashire, England Daughter Widnes Lancashire View Record Grace E. Jons abt 1872 Widnes, Lancashire, England Daughter Widnes Lancashire View Record John W. Jons abt 1872 Widnes, Lancashire, England Son Widnes Lancashire View Record Robert Jons abt 1833 Bangor, Caernarvonshire, Wales Head Widnes Lancashire View Record William E. Jons abt 1879 Bethesda, Caernarvonshire, Wales Son Widnes Lancashire Source information: RG11/3724 Registration district: Prescot Sub registration district: Farnworth ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Folio: 78 Page: 76 (click to see others on page) GSU Number: 1341892 Address : 21 Cholmondley St Occupation of head : Stone Mason ***************************************************** 1871 View Record Catherine Jones abt 1841 North Wales, Bethesda Wife Widnes Lancashire View Record Catherine J Jones abt 1869 Widnes, Lancashire, England Daughter Widnes Lancashire View Record Robert Jones abt 1843 North Wales, Chapel Cery Head Widnes Lancashire Source information: RG10/3859 Registration district: Prescot Sub-registration district: Farnworth ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Folio: 60 Page: 22 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 106 GSU Number: 841933 Addy - 19 cromwell Street Occupation - stone mason Can not spot them on the 1861 - waiting to hear back from you with regards to your source of 'other' children. Pen x

Pen, could you help with my nightmare Jones's? 1891 Robert Jones Head age 56 (dob 13-6-1833) stone mason b capelcerry (probably capelcurig) N Wales Catherine Jones (nee Griffith) (dob 10-12-1840) age 50 Bethesda N Wales John William Jones son 19 Hairdresser Widnes Lancs Grace Ellen Jones dtr 19 Widnes Lancs twins born 13.6.1871 I have them at 20 Church St Widnes Lancs on this census Ref RG12/3011 I cannot seem to find them on previous censii could you have a go for me as I just end up tying myself in knots. Also betwen 1862 and 1868 they had 4 other children who may appear somewhere 1862-1864 Richard 1864-1865 Robert 1866-1869 Grace Ellen (1st) 1868 Catherine Jane (married 1888) Any help would be much appreciated and if you are successful could you tell me how you did it for future reference. Thank you so much Jen

Isobel Added by Isobel McEwan on 06/07/2006 13:51:34 Hi Pen On the 1891 I have James Robson head aged 32 Coal Miner Hannah his wife aged 48 born North Shields with William Willis step son (Hannh's son) aged 19 Can you trace Hannah on 1901 census please ******************************************************* 1891 for my ref Hannah Robson abt 1843 No Shields, Northumberland, England Wife Kyo Durham Hannah Robson abt 1883 Harton, Durham, England Adopted Daughter Kyo Durham James Robson abt 1859 Gateshead, Durham, England Head Kyo Durham Jno Robson abt 1881 Heworth, Durham, England Son Kyo Durham Fenwick Willis abt 1875 Lanchester, Durham, England Stepson Kyo Durham Wm Willis abt 1872 Chester-le-Street, Durham, England Stepson Kyo Durham This could be them in 1901............... View Record Robt Longstaff abt 1881 Bishop Auckland Lodger Kyo Durham View Record Hannah Robson abt 1842 Shields Wife Kyo Durham View Record Jas K Robson abt 1858 Gateshead Head Kyo Durham View Record Jno B Robson abt 1880 Shields Son Kyo Durham View Record Martha Robson abt 1881 Lanchester Daughter-in-law Kyo Durham View Record Mary Rogers abt 1838 Shields Sister Kyo Durham Source information: RG13/4666 Registration district: Lanchester Sub-registration district: Tanfield ED, institution, or vessel: 15 Folio: 32 Page: 56 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 293 ** Occupation of James (image is abreviated James) - coal miner Pen x

Hi Pen On the 1891 I have James Robson head aged 32 Coal Miner Hannah his wife aged 48 born North Shields with William Willis step son (Hannh's son) aged 19 Can you trace Hannah on 1901 census please

thank you for the help,much appreciated...sandra

Sandra ************************************************************************** 1881 for my ref - Ada Evans abt 1876 Bath, Somerset, England Daughter Walcot Somerset Albert Evans abt 1870 Bath, Somerset, England Son Walcot Somerset Annie Evans abt 1869 Bath, Somerset, England Daughter Walcot Somerset Edmund Evans abt 1831 Bridgewater, Somerset, England Head Walcot Somerset Edmund J. Evans abt 1866 Bath, Somerset, England Son Walcot Somerset George Evans abt 1877 Bath, Somerset, England Son Walcot Somerset Louisa Evans abt 1844 Bath, Somerset, England Wife Walcot Somerset Robert W. Evans abt 1868 Bath, Somerset, England Son Walcot Somerset Walter Evans abt 1873 Bath, Somerset, England Son Walcot Somerset You have not mentioned the 1871 census...... Albert Evans abt 1870 Bath, Somerset, England Son Lyncombe and Widcombe Somerset Edmond Evans abt 1831 Bridgewater, Somerset, England Head Lyncombe and Widcombe Somerset Edwin Evans abt 1866 Bath, Somerset, England Son Lyncombe and Widcombe Somerset Louisa Evans abt 1869 Bath, Somerset, England Daughter Lyncombe and Widcombe Somerset Robert Evans abt 1867 Bath, Somerset, England Son Lyncombe and Widcombe Somerset ************************* 61 and 51 ************************* 1841 ? Possibly View Record Edmund Evans abt 1831 Somerset, England Lyncombe and Widcombe Somerset View Record Elizabeth Evans abt 1826 Somerset, England Lyncombe and Widcombe Somerset View Record George Evans abt 1836 Somerset, England Lyncombe and Widcombe Somerset View Record James Evans abt 1801 Lyncombe and Widcombe Somerset View Record James Evans abt 1829 Somerset, England Lyncombe and Widcombe Somerset View Record Jane Evans abt 1806 Somerset, England Lyncombe and Widcombe Somerset View Record Jane Evans abt 1840 Lyncombe and Widcombe Somerset 1851 - This looks like two of the family members from the 1841 View Record George Evans abt 1835 Bridgewater, Somerset, England Visitor Bridgwater Somerset View Record James Evans abt 1797 Nowland, Gloucestershire, England Visitor Bridgwater Somerset View Record Charlotte Sillick abt 1830 Stomdwater, Gloucestershire, England Wife Bridgwater Somerset View Record John Sillick abt 1823 Bridgewater, Somerset, England Head Bridgwater Somerset

Annie - Hun, if I could of spotted him I would of popped 41 on aswell, lol. Looked for a marriage - nothing on the easy search bit. There is one for a David Marlton - no bride to match though - in Thingoe, so thought he might be a rellie and tried looking on 41 for him - nowt. Pen x

Could you please see if you could find Richard Joseph Edmonds on previous census, on later ones he is down as Joseph Edmonds, not sure if that would help. 1881 Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability R.J. EDMONDS Head M Male 43 Weston Turville, Buckingham, England Hay Binder (Ag Lab) E. EDMONDS Wife M Female 40 Wendover, Buckingham, England R.J. EDMONDS Son Male 15 Wendover, Buckingham, England Hay Binder Albert EDMONDS Son Male 12 Wendover, Buckingham, England Hay Binder Elizabeth EDMONDS Daur Female 9 Wendover, Buckingham, England Scholar George EDMONDS Son Female 5 Wendover, Buckingham, England Scholar William EDMONDS Son Male 4 Wendover, Buckingham, England Scholar John EDMONDS Son Male 3 Wendover, Buckingham, England Scholar -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Dwelling Cold Harbour Census Place Wendover, Buckingham, England Family History Library Film 1341356 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 1469 / 8 Page Number 10 Many thanks for your time Jan 1871 View Record Albert Edmunds abt 1869 Wendover, Buckinghamshire, England Son Wendover Buckinghamshire View Record Elizabeth Edmunds abt 1842 Wendover, Buckinghamshire, England Wife Wendover Buckinghamshire View Record Elizabeth Edmunds abt 1870 Wendover, Buckinghamshire, England Daughter Wendover Buckinghamshire View Record Joseph Edmunds abt 1839 Wendover, Buckinghamshire, England Head Wendover Buckinghamshire View Record Joseph Edmunds abt 1866 Wendover, Buckinghamshire, England Son Wendover Buckinghamshire Source information: RG10/1408 Registration district: Wycombe Sub-registration district: Wendover ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Folio: 30 Page: 14 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 79 GSU Number: 828766 Occupation of head - Hay binder Addy - looks like chander row - no number given Pen x

Annie Singleton Added by Annie Singleton on 06/07/2006 10:45:27 Hello Penelope, Could I have a look up of the 1861 census for the family of John MARLTON b. abt 1851 Gt Livermere,Suffolk please? appreciate any help, thank you, regards Annie Hi Annie 1861 Anna C Marlton abt 1857 Great Livermere, Suffolk, England Daughter Great Livermere Suffolk View Record Hannah A Marlton abt 1860 Great Livermere, Suffolk, England Daughter Great Livermere Suffolk View Record John Marlton abt 1851 Great Livermere, Suffolk, England Son Great Livermere Suffolk View Record Mahalah Marlton abt 1826 Great Ponton, Suffolk, England Wife Great Livermere Suffolk View Record Martha A Marlton abt 1858 Great Livermere, Suffolk, England Daughter Great Livermere Suffolk View Record Mary Ann Marlton abt 1847 Great Livermere, Suffolk, England Daughter Great Livermere Suffolk View Record Sarah Ann Marlton abt 1849 Great Livermere, Suffolk, England Daughter Great Livermere Suffolk View Record William Marlton abt 1825 Great Livermere, Suffolk, England Head Great Livermere Suffolk Source information: RG9/1139 Registration district: Thingoe Sub-registration district: Ixworth ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Folio: 17 Page: 3 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 13 GSU Number: 542761 Civil parish: Great Livermere County/Island: Suffolk Country: England Occupation of head - Ag lab Addy - Street (nothing else, lol !) ************************************************************************* 1851 View Record John Marlton abt 1850 Great Livermere, Suffolk, England Son Great Livermere Suffolk View Record Mahalah Marlton abt 1826 Great Barton, Suffolk, England Wife Great Livermere Suffolk View Record Mary Ann Marlton abt 1847 Great Livermere, Suffolk, England Daughter Great Livermere Suffolk View Record Sarah Ann Marlton abt 1848 Great Livermere, Suffolk, England Daughter Great Livermere Suffolk View Record William Marlton abt 1825 Great Livermere, Suffolk, England Head Great Livermere Suffolk Source information: HO107/1791 Registration district: Thingoe Sub-registration district: Rougham ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Folio: 460 Page: 4 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 12 GSU Number: 207440 Civil parish: Great Livermere County/Island: Suffolk Country: England Occupation of head - Ag lab No addy given

Ooh Pen!!! WOW!!! :~} That's awesome!!! Thank you so very, very much for that!!!! :~} Liz xx

Pen - Just noticed the last bit of you message It is & somebody else has noticed that on their tree

hi,i wondered if you had time could you look up an EDMUND EVANS born 1831ish in bridgewatwer Somerset found him in 1881 dead by 1891 but wondered where he was in 1841-1851-1861,i do not know any more than his name and place of birth sorry..will fully understand if you are to busy.....sandra

Thank You

Added by ~♥*Louise*♥~ on 06/07/2006 10:42:23 hi on 1901 I'm looking for the Bellions 1881: - Ann Maria Bellion abt 1881 Liverpool Daughter Liverpool Lancashire John T. Bellion abt 1876 Liverpool Son Liverpool Lancashire Joseph Bellion abt 1850 Liverpool Head Liverpool Lancashire Mary Bellion abt 1853 Liverpool Wife Liverpool Lancashire Mary Bellion abt 1874 Liverpool Daughter Liverpool Lancashire and I know they had a son Joseph C Bellion abt 1882 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Not sure, But Joe Sr may have remarried - but I'm sure Mary is still alive Louise *********************************************************************** 1891 - incase you don't have it Alice I Bellion abt 1885 Liverpool Daughter Everton Lancashire View Record Annie M Bellion abt 1880 Liverpool Daughter Everton Lancashire View Record Joseph C Bellion abt 1851 Liverpool Head Everton Lancashire View Record Joseph C Bellion abt 1882 Liverpool Son Everton Lancashire View Record Louisa Bellion abt 1888 Liverpool Daughter Everton Lancashire View Record Mary E Bellion abt 1852 Liverpool Wife Everton Lancashire View Record Mary E Bellion abt 1879 Liverpool Daughter Everton Lancashire View Record Thomas Bellion abt 1876 Liverpool Son Everton Lancashire *********************************** 1901 View Record Joseph Bellion abt 1851 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Head West Derby Lancashire View Record Joseph C Bellion abt 1882 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Son West Derby Lancashire View Record Sarah A Bellion abt 1864 United States Wife West Derby Lancashire View Record Grace Hatton abt 1890 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Daughter West Derby Lancashire View Record Margt Hatton abt 1886 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Daughter West Derby Lancashire View Record Mary Hatton abt 1893 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Daughter West Derby Lancashire View Record Sarah Hatton abt 1888 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Daughter West Derby Lancashire ****************************** 1901 Name: Louisa Bellion Age: 13 Estimated birth year: abt 1888 Relation: Boarder Household: View other family members Gender: Female Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Everton Ecclesiastical parish: St George County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Source information: RG13/3479 Registration district: West Derby Sub-registration district: North Everton ED, institution, or vessel: Girls Industrial School Folio: 110 Page: 1 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 1 ************************** 1901 View Record Hannah E Bellion abt 1875 Liverpool Wife Everton Lancashire View Record John C Bellion abt 1900 Liverpool Son Everton Lancashire View Record John T Bellion abt 1875 Liverpool Head Everton Lancashire View Record Thomas M Bellion abt 1896 Liverpool Son Everton Lancashire Source information: RG13/3475 Registration district: West Derby Sub-registration district: North Everton ED, institution, or vessel: 15 Folio: 118 Page: 34 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 207 That's as much of the family that I can find Louise. Can not see Mary the 1st wife. She must of died - This is the 2nd marriage - View Record Joseph Bellion 1899 Oct-Nov-Dec Liverpool (1837-1924) Lancashire View Record Robert Preston M Boulton 1899 Oct-Nov-Dec Liverpool (1837-1924) Lancashire View Record Edith May Bramham 1899 Oct-Nov-Dec Liverpool (1837-1924) Lancashire View Record Sarah Jane Hatton 1899 Oct-Nov-Dec Liverpool (1837-1924) Lancashire Is this why you think Mary is still alive in 1901 - Name: Mary Ellen Bellion Birth Date: abt 1852 Year of Registration: 1909 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar Age at death: 57 District: West Derby County: Lancashire Volume: 8b Page: 338 (click to see others on page) Pen x

CONTINUED FROM PREVIOUS MESSAGE - For my ref - Joseph Robinson b ca 1836 London Marylebone Retired draper Eliza Olive Robinson b ca 1838 London Janie Robinson b ca 1863 London Bertha Hope Robinson b ca 1867 London Josephine Robinson b ca 1869 London Godfrey Robinson b ca 1875 London Eleanor Robinson b ca 1876 London Grace Olive Robinson b 1880 Westerham, Kent in 1881 census they were living at Lewins, Westerham, Kent ********************************************************************* marriage Name: Grace Olive Robinson Year of Registration: 1908 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: St Marylebone (1902-1977) County: Greater London, London Volume: 1a Page: 835 (click to see others on page) ************************************************************************** 1901 View Record Mary Conolly abt 1880 Brixton, Surrey, England Servant Westerham Kent View Record Annie Jarvis abt 1873 Newmarket, Cambridgeshire, England Servant Westerham Kent View Record Harriet Maggs abt 1864 Loe, Somerset, England Servant Westerham Kent View Record Alice Maud Oakley abt 1875 Danehill, Sussex, England Servant Westerham Kent View Record Ellen Piper abt 1882 Hartfield, Sussex, England Servant Westerham Kent View Record Bertha Hope Robinson abt 1868 Hampstead S, London, England Daughter Westerham Kent View Record Grace Olive Robinson abt 1881 Westerham, Kent, England Daughter Westerham Kent View Record Joseph Robinson abt 1837 Marylebone, London, England Head Westerham Kent View Record Leiza Olive Robinson abt 1839 Blackfriars, Surrey, England Wife Westerham Kent View Record Margaret Robinson abt 1863 Camberwell, London, England Daughter Westerham Kent View Record Alice Sarsons abt 1876 N Servant Westerham Kent View Record Catherine Ann Shaw abt 1848 Blakney Forest of Dean Nurse Westerham Kent Source information: RG13/748 Registration district: Sevenoaks Sub-registration district: Sevenoaks ED, institution, or vessel: 19 Folio: 164 Page: 9 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 51 ************************** 1901 View Record Gilbert A C Allsop abt 1884 Hartington, Derbyshire, England Servant Hartington Derbyshire View Record Godfrey Robinson abt 1875 Middlesex, London, England Head Hartington Derbyshire View Record Mary Ann Woodley abt 1880 Elkstone, Staffordshire, England Servant Hartington Derbyshire Pen x

Hiya Liz 1891 Janie Robinson abt 1864 Bow, London, England Daughter Westerham Kent View Record Joseph Robinson abt 1837 Marylebone, London, England Head Westerham Kent View Record Peter Robinson abt 1867 Hampstead, London, England Son Westerham Kent William H Clarkson abt 1873 Hornsey, London, England Nephew Westerham Kent Emma Collis abt 1856 Halstead, Essex, England Servant Westerham Kent Catherine A Shaw abt 1849 Blakeney, Gloucestershire, England Servant Westerham Kent Emma Jordan abt 1866 Abbots Ripton, Hampshire, England Servant Westerham Kent Maria Gavins abt 1873 Hartford, Hampshire, England Servant Westerham Kent Emily Honick abt 1873 Edenbridge, Kent, England Servant Westerham Kent View Record Lucy Mannering abt 1872 Linton, Kent, England Servant Westerham Kent View Record Louisa Mitchell abt 1869 St Austell, Cornwall, England Servant Westerham Kent Source information: RG12/674 Registration district: Sevenoaks Sub registration district: Sevenoaks ED, institution, or vessel: 19 Folio: 151 Page: 10 (click to see others on page) GSU Number: 6095784 Occupation of Joseph - Living on his own means ***************************************** 1891 Name: Grace Olive Robinson Age: 10 Estimated birth year: abt 1881 Relation: Ladies School Gender: Female Where Born: Aockham Hill, Kent, England Civil parish: East Grinstead Ecclesiastical parish: East Grinstead Town: East Grinstead County/Island: Sussex Country: England Source information: RG12/789 Registration district: East Grinstead Sub registration district: East Grinstead ED, institution, or vessel: St Margaret Folio: 116 Page: 7 (click to see others on page) GSU Number: 6095899 *************************** 1891 Bertha H Robinson abt 1869 St Johns Wood, London, England Visitor Hornsey Middlesex Ada Clarkson abt 1846 Highgate, London, England Head Hornsey Middlesex View Record Edward S Clarkson abt 1878 Hornsey, London, England Son Hornsey Middlesex View Record Ernest A Clarkson abt 1872 Hornsey, London, England Son Hornsey Middlesex View Record Gertrude Clarkson abt 1877 Hornsey, London, England Daughter Hornsey Middlesex View Record Mary E Clarkson abt 1866 Islington, London, England Daughter Hornsey Middlesex View Record Thomas P Clarkson abt 1867 Islington, London, England Son Hornsey Middlesex Source information: RG12/1061 Registration district: Edmonton Sub registration district: Hornsey ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Folio: 106 Page: 72 (click to see others on page) GSU Number: 6096171 Will continue on my next mesage - running out of space x

hi on 1901 I'm looking for the Bellions 1881: - Ann Maria Bellion abt 1881 Liverpool Daughter Liverpool Lancashire John T. Bellion abt 1876 Liverpool Son Liverpool Lancashire Joseph Bellion abt 1850 Liverpool Head Liverpool Lancashire Mary Bellion abt 1853 Liverpool Wife Liverpool Lancashire Mary Bellion abt 1874 Liverpool Daughter Liverpool Lancashire and I know they had a son Joseph C Bellion abt 1882 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Not sure, But Joe Sr may have remarried - but I'm sure Mary is still alive Louise

Hi Pen, Nice to see you back again!! I would be most grateful if you could look up the following family in the 1891 & 1901 census please. Joseph Robinson b ca 1836 London Marylebone Retired draper Eliza Olive Robinson b ca 1838 London Janie Robinson b ca 1863 London Bertha Hope Robinson b ca 1867 London Josephine Robinson b ca 1869 London Godfrey Robinson b ca 1875 London Eleanor Robinson b ca 1876 London Grace Olive Robinson b 1880 Westerham, Kent in 1881 census they were living at Lewins, Westerham, Kent Thank you Liz x

Great, thanks Pen, she looks like the one! Cheers, Emma.