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Good Morning Penhope you don,t mind me calling you this. Re Laurence Moran Date of Marriage was 25th Jan 1879 St Albans Church District Liverpool Bride Margaret Lynch Witness,s Peter Kennedy and the Mark of Abby Lynch. Michael down as Deceased (a weaver) June.

David WATCH 1851 for my ref:- Name: William Watch Age: 11 Estimated birth year: abt 1840 Relation: Son Father's name: William Gender: Male Where born: Weymo, Dorset, England Civil parish: Weymouth Ecclesiastical parish: Weymouth County/Island: Dorset Country: England Registration district: Weymouth Sub-registration district: Upway ED, institution, or vessel: 4b Household schedule number: 71 Household Members: Albert Watch 5 abt 1846 Weymo, Dorset, England Amelia Watch 5 Mo abt 1850 Weymo, Dorset, England Edwd Watch 8 abt 1843 Weymo, Dorset, England Robt Watch 2 abt 1849 Weymo, Dorset, England William Watch 36 abt 1815 Weymo, Dorset, England William Watch 11 abt 1840 Weymo, Dorset, England Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1857; Folio: 348; Page: 15; GSU roll: 221004. ************************************************************************** 1861 -for ref Name: Amelia Watch Age: 10 Estimated birth year: abt 1851 Relation: Daughter Father's name: William Mother's name: Elizabeth Gender: Female Where born: Weymouth, Dorset, England Civil parish: Weymouth Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity Town: Weymouth County/Island: Dorset Country: England Registration district: Weymouth Sub-registration district: Melcombe Regis ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Household schedule number: 35 Household Members: Name Age Albert Watch 14 abt 1847 Weymouth, Dorset, England Amelia Watch 10 abt 1851 Weymouth, Dorset, England Elizabeth Watch 42 abt 1819 Beaminster, Dorset, England Elizabeth M Watch 7 abt 1854 Weymouth, Dorset, England Robert Watch 12 abt 1849 Weymouth, Dorset, England Thomas H Watch 3 abt 1858 Weymouth, Dorset, England William Watch 49 abt 1812 Weymouth, Dorset, England Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 1349; Folio: 37; Page: 12; GSU roll: 542799. *************************************************************************** 1851 notes 8 Chapley Street George Watch abt 1802 Somerset, Shepton Mallet- mariner Susana Watch George abt 1802 Sandhill, Dorset, England 1861 Name: Susan Watch Age: 61 Estimated birth year: abt 1800 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Catstock, Dorset, England Civil parish: Weymouth Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity Town: Melcombe Regis and Weymouth County/Island: Dorset Country: England Registration district: Weymouth Sub-registration district: Melcombe Regis ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Household schedule number: 159 Household Members: Name Age Margaret Maltby 30 Mary Jane Moore 29 Susan Watch 61 widower Please see next message - CONTINUED

Hi Pen,I was wondering if you could do some 1841 look ups for Scotland for me please? I have Hugh Lynch and Bridget Plunket on the 1851 census for New Monkland,Lanark.Both were born in Ireland about 1816.I have no idea when they moved from Ireland to Scotland,if they were on 1814 it would Have info about their family. Also James Fannon born about 1816 in Ireland and Mary Boyle born about 1814 in Ireland.They would probably be in Lanarkshire as well. Thanks very much, Wendy

Hi Pen Looking for William Robert Watch, may be just William born 1840, Dorset, there are very few Watches but there are a few Williams and Georges, known to have naval links. Have him in the 1851 census. Also looking for Robert Watch born 1848, Dorset after 1861. Also looking for Edward John Watch born 1843, Dorset, have him in the 1851 census. Thanks & regards David

Penelope thank you very much June x.

June - Just seen your old message...no wonder I could'nt find the right one with that dob, lol. 1891 for my ref Name: Lawrence Moran Age: 45 Estimated birth year: abt 1846 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Margaret Gender: Male Where Born: Ireland Civil parish: Litherland County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: West Derby Sub registration district: Litherland ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Household Members: Name age Catherine Moran 10 abt 1881 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Lawrence Moran 45 Margaret Moran 31 Mary Moran 1 Michael Moran 5 Richard Moran 1/12 Thomas Moran 7 Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2985; Folio 107; Page 19; GSU roll: 6098095. *************************************************************************** 1881 Name: Laurence Moran Age: 34 Estimated birth year: abt 1847 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Margaret Gender: Male Where Born: Ireland Civil parish: Liverpool County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 11 Menai St Condition as to marriage: Married Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Coal Heaver Registration district: Liverpool Sub registration district: St Martin ED, institution, or vessel: 50 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Catherine Moran Laurence Moran 34 Margaret Moran 22 Occupation of head - coal heaver *************************************************************************** back tommorow *************************************************************************** Added by June Kate & Violet on 28/07/2006 21:22:11 Laurence Moran dob 1856 Ireland stated he was 31 on his wed cert Michael his dad down as deceased and occ a weaveraddy at time of marriage was 19 Menai Street Liverpool i believe he had been a coal heaver and a dock labourer. June. Made an error re Laurences dob shld be 1846. *************************************************************************** When did the marriage take place then?? Please suppy the names of the witness's Thanks Pen x Added by June Kate & Violet on 29/07/2006 11:17:14 Good Morning Pen hope you don,t mind me calling you this. Re Laurence Moran Date of Marriage was 25th Jan 1879 St Albans Church District Liverpool Bride Margaret Lynch Witness,s Peter Kennedy and the Mark of Abby Lynch. Michael down as Deceased (a weaver) June. ****************************************************** Tracked down one of the witness's Peter Kennedy - was hoping for a family connection 1881 Name: Peter Kennedy Age: 35 Estimated birth year: abt 1846 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Mary A. Gender: Male Where Born: Ireland Civil parish: Liverpool County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 17 Menai St Condition as to marriage: Married Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Coal Heaver Registration district: Liverpool Sub registration district: St Martin ED, institution, or vessel: 50 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Christopher Denny 40 Patrick Griffin 32 Catherine Kennedy 4 James Kennedy Margaret Kennedy 7 Mary A. Kennedy 36 Peter Kennedy 35 Rose Kennedy 2 Thomas Kennedy 5 Edward Smith 32 Abby - Possible in the 1881 - 1881 England Census Record about Abbe Lynch Name: Abbe Lynch Age: 52 Estimated birth year: abt 1829 Relation: Mother in Law Gender: Female Where Born: Ireland Civil parish: Liverpool County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 3 Lander St Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Liverpool Sub registration district: St Martin ED, institution, or vessel: 50 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Mary A. Hurley 25 Maurice Hurley 32 Richard Hurley 1 Abbe Lynch 52 Richard Lynch 50

June and her porch Don't know if you have this or not 1871 - this is showing mark as a son NOT grandson - the 1881 image will have to be checked. Name: Mark Lund Age: 5 Estimated birth year: abt 1866 Relation: Son Father's name: Willaim Mother's name: Maria Gender: Male Where born: Bielby, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Bielby Ecclesiastical parish: Hayton Town: Bielby County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Pocklington Sub-registration district: Market Weighton ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Household schedule number: 45 Household Members: Name Age Dayton Lund 9 abt 1862 Bielby, Yorkshire, England Heneret Lund 7 abt 1864 Bielby, Yorkshire, England Son Jane Lund 3 abt 1868 Bielby, Yorkshire, England Daughter Johara Lund 1 abt 1870 Bielby, Yorkshire, England Son John Lund 10 abt 1861 Bielby, Yorkshire, England Son Maria Lund 46 abt 1825 Ebrington, Yorkshire, England Wife Maria Lund 4 abt 1867 Bielby, Yorkshire, England Daughter Mark Lund 5 abt 1866 Bielby, Yorkshire, England Son Mertha Lund 12 abt 1859 Bielby, Yorkshire, England Daughter Thomas Lund 14 abt 1857 Bielby, Yorkshire, England Son Willaim Lund 48 abt 1823 Bielby, Yorkshire, England Head Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 4760; Folio: 97; Page: 18; GSU roll: 847330.

Laurence Moran on 1891 census also he is down as deceased on dau catherines wed cert in 1903. June.

Hi Pen, Have checked IGI, for John & Ann's Marriage, but no luck. However I did find a John Morrey christening on 20 Jan 1822, Whitchurch, Shropshire, who I assume is Alfred's father. The parents of John Morrey were Richard and Mary Morrey. That's all I can find so far. Cheers, Frank

Joan and her porch 1881 Name: Peter Lund Age: 7 Estimated birth year: abt 1874 Relation: Son Father's name: William Mother's name: Maria Gender: Male Where Born: Bielby, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Bielby County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address: Bielby Field Registration district: Pocklington Sub registration district: Market Weighton ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Household Members: Edward Lund 11 abt 1870 Bielby, Yorkshire, England Jane Lund 12 abt 1869 Bielby, Yorkshire, England Maria Lund 52 abt 1829 Elvington, Yorkshire, England Peter Lund 7 abt 1874 Bielby, Yorkshire, England William Lund 57 abt 1824 Bielby, Yorkshire, England ************************************************************************ 1891 This could be them - no peter though and unable to spot him on his own somewhere in the 91 Name: William Lund Age: 67 Estimated birth year: abt 1824 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Maria Gender: Male Where Born: Bielby, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Bielby Ecclesiastical parish: St Martins Town: Bielby County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Pocklington Sub registration district: Market Weighton ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Household Members: Name age Anne Lund 45 abt 1846 Bielby, Yorkshire, England Daughter Arthur Lund 6 abt 1885 Allerthorpe, Yorkshire, England Grandson John Lund 30 abt 1861 Bielby, Yorkshire, England Son Maria Lund 62 abt 1829 Everingham, Yorkshire, England Wife Mark Lund 25 abt 1866 Bielby, Yorkshire, England Grandson William Lund 67 1824 Bielby, Yorkshire, England Head Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 3901; Folio 80; Page 9; GSU roll: 6099011. *************************************************************************** 1901 This looks like him with a wife and child on the 1901 - birthplace possibly mispelt....... Name: Peter Jos Lund Age: 28 Estimated birth year: abt 1873 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Rose Emma Gender: Male Where born: Beelsby, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Stutton with Hazlewood Ecclesiastical parish: Tadcaster St Mary Town: Hazlewood County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Tadcaster Sub-registration district: Tadcaster ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Household schedule number: 88 Household Members: Name Age Peter Jos Lund 28 abt 1873 Beelsby, Yorkshire, England Rose Emma Lund 24 abt 1877 Old Leak Fen, Lincolnshire, England Willm Lund 1 abt 1900 Seacroft, Yorkshire, England Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4433; Folio: 92; Page: 16. ************************************************************************** This looks very much like their marriage and his using Joseph as his first name...will nip back to check the 1891 again **View Record Rose Emma Davison 1896 Oct-Nov-Dec Doncaster Lincolnshire, Nottinghamshire, West Riding Of Yorkshire View Record Elizabeth Hollin 1896 Oct-Nov-Dec Doncaster Lincolnshire, Nottinghamshire, West Riding Of Yorkshire View Record Thomas Langfield 1896 Oct-Nov-Dec Doncaster Lincolnshire, Nottinghamshire, West Riding Of Yorkshire **View Record Joseph Peter Lund 1896 Oct-Nov-Dec Doncaster Lincolnshire, Nottinghamshire, West Riding Of Yorkshire Unable to locate Peter in the 1891 census have just checked with all sorts of variations on his name - nothing comes up though. Pen x ***UPDATE - another message for you on page 8

Hi June Which census doyou have him on then? Could you please post the info on here. Cheers me' dears Pen X

No Penelope his wifes name was margaret nee lynch i don,t have much info catherine was a dau dob aprox 1882. June.

Penelope Laurence Moran dob 1856 Ireland stated he was 31 on his wed cert Michael his dad down as deceased and occ a weaveraddy at time of marriage was 19 Menai Street Liverpool i believe he had been a coal heaver and a dock labourer. June. Made an error re Laurences dob shld be 1846.

Added by Michelle Randle on 28/07/2006 20:30:52 Hi Pen Can you please check 1841 maybe 1851 England census for Henry Walters 1834, Walsall and Margaret Dun 1835 Walsall. I can't find either of them prior to the marriage Thanks Michelle *************************************************************************** For my ref - Surname First name(s) District Vol Page -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Mar 1859 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dun Margaret Penkridge 6b 499 Walters Henry Penkridge 6b 499 *************************************************************************** Is this them on the 1861 ??? Name: Margaret Walters Age: 27 Estimated birth year: abt 1834 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: William Hy Gender: Female Where born: Walsall, Staffordshire, England Civil parish: Bloxwich Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter Town: Walsall County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Registration district: Walsall Sub-registration district: Walsall ED, institution, or vessel: 23 Household schedule number: 89 Household Members: Name Age Emma Rollason 25 Enoch Hill Rollason 1 Elizabeth Stringer 19 Enoch Walters 4 Henry Walters 6 Margaret Walters 27 abt 1834 Walsall, Staffordshire, England William Hy Walters 29 Because if he was William Hy Walters this could be him on the 1851... Name: William H Walters Age: 18 Estimated birth year: abt 1833 Relation: Son Father's name: James Mother's name: Ann Gender: Male Where born: Walsall, Staffordshire, England Civil parish: Walsall Foreign Town: Walsall County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Registration district: Walsall Sub-registration district: Walsall ED, institution, or vessel: 1b Household schedule number: 191 Household Members: Name Age Ann Hibbs 9 Rebbeca Small 87 Ann Walters 50 George Walters 38 James Walters 64 Joseph Walters 12 Mathew Walters 10 Salley Walters 21 William H Walters 18 Pen x

Hi June Add all the info that you know about Laurence and I will take a look if your like. Pen x

Penelope thanks for your trouble i was trying to connect a Laurence Moran with Michael as he was dob 1851 this Michael is proving so hard to find the right one. June.

Added by June Kate & Violet on 28/07/2006 20:27:46 Penelope please could you do a census look up for Michael Moran and any family they were at 16 Court Law street Liverpool in 1851 Look up for 1861 Please. june. Sorry June, I misread the posting, thought the addy was where you wanted me to find them on the 61. For my ref - 1851 Name: Michael Moran Age: 50 Estimated birth year: abt 1801 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Mary Gender: Male Where born: Ireland Civil parish: Liverpool Town: Liverpool County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Liverpool Sub-registration district: Dale Street ED, institution, or vessel: 1e Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 119 Household Members: Name Age Jane McDonnough 20 Mary McDonnough 48 Patrick McDonnough 50 Mary Moran 32 Mary Moran 14 Michael Moran 50 Michael Moran 10 ************************* Having trouble locating them as a 'family' What about this chap his a labourer by trade and a widower Name: Michael Moran Age: 60 Estimated birth year: abt 1801 Relation: Lodger Gender: Male Where born: Ireland Civil parish: Liverpool Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael Town: Liverpool County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Liverpool Sub-registration district: St Thomas ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 73 Household Members: Alice W Cloud 32 Michael Moran 60 Catharine Sinott 44 Elizabeth Sinott 14 Ellen Sinott 10 Margaret Sinott 12 Martin Sinott 8 Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 2675; Folio: 103; Page: 15; GSU roll: 543011.

Looby Loo This looks like him in the 1891 census Name: Arthur Bennett Age: 31 Estimated birth year: abt 1860 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Barbara H Gender: Male Where Born: Wilstead, Bedfordshire, England Civil parish: Wilstead Ecclesiastical parish: Wilstead Town: Wilstead County/Island: Bedfordshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Bedford Sub registration district: Bedford and Cardington ED, institution, or vessel: 20 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name age Annie M Bennett 8 Arthur Bennett 31 Barbara H Bennett 32 Clara Kate Bennett 1 Elizth E Bennett 2 Fredk Bennett 5 Lily M Bennett 6 William G Bennett 12 Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 1252; Folio 179; Page 16; GSU roll: 6096362. and 1881 Name: Arthur Bennett Age: 21 Estimated birth year: abt 1860 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Barbara Maria Gender: Male Where Born: Wilstead, Bedfordshire, England Civil parish: Oakley County/Island: Bedfordshire Country: England Street address: 29 West End Condition as to marriage: Married Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Horsekeeper Ag Lab Registration district: Bedford Sub registration district: Bedford and Kempston ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age William George 2 Arthur Bennett 21 Barbara Maria Bennett 22 Pen x ***1901 ????? Clara K has a dash next to the 11 making look a bit like 71, lol. Looks like a 2nd marriage then.... Name: Arthur Bennett Age: 41 Estimated birth year: abt 1860 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Emily Gender: Male Where born: Wilstead, Bedfordshire, England Civil parish: Bedford St Paul Ecclesiastical parish: Bedford St Martin Town: Bedford County/Island: Bedfordshire Country: England Registration district: Bedford Sub-registration district: Bedford and Kempston ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 65 Household Members: Name Age Albert E Bennett 3 Arthur Bennett 41 Clara K Bennett 71 Emily Bennett 42 Frederick Bennett 15 Lillie M Bennett 16 Nellie M Bennett 9 Susie E Bennett 13 Thomas H Bennett 7

Penelope sorry Michael Moran dob aprox 1801 in Ireland Thanks June.

June If you have a birth year and place of birth - I can take a look. I can not search by address as stated in initial offer. Pen x