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Michael Canny ***************************************************** Hi Mike - hope you had a relaxing holiday. Glad to see your making progress with the Browns. My Roberts chap, turned out to be spot on with the certs. 1861 - the only Thomas Brown of that age with fathers name as Joseph - But the birthplace ?! Name: Thomas Brown Age: 1 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860 Relation: Son Father's name: Joseph Mother's name: Sarah Gender: Male Where born: Strand, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Bermondsey Ecclesiastical parish: St James County/Island: Surrey Country: England Registration district: Bermondsey Sub-registration district: St James ED, institution, or vessel: 15 Household schedule number: 285 Household Members: Name Age Henry Brown 14 abt 1847 Bloomsbury, Middlesex, England Son James Brown 53 abt 1808 Long Sutton, Somerset, England Visitor Joseph Brown 45 abt 1816 Long Sutton, Somerset, England Head Joseph Brown 2 abt 1859 Strand, Middlesex, England Son Sarah Brown 32 abt 1829 Brixton, Surrey, England Wife Sarah A Brown 16 abt 1845 Bolney, Sussex, England Daughter Thomas Brown 1 abt 1860 Strand, Middlesex, England Son Have looked at the image and - Address - 54 Ernest Street Occupation of head of house - clerk railway Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 321; Folio: 24; Page: 43; GSU roll: 542614. *************************************************** not sure if this will help or not - 1871 Name: Thomas Brown Age: 10 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861 Relation: Son Father's name: Joseph Mother's name: Sarah Gender: Male Where born: Middlesex, England Civil Parish: St Dunstan in the West Ecclesiastical parish: St Dunstan in the West County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: London City Sub-registration district: St Bride ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Household schedule number: 384 Household Members: Name Age Albert M Brown 1 abt 1870 St Dunstan in the West, London, England Son Joseph Brown 55 abt 1816 Long Sutton, Somerset, England Head Joseph Brown 12 abt 1859 Strand, Middlesex, England Son Martha Brown 4 abt 1867 St Dunstan in the West, London, England Daughter Sarah Brown 35 abt 1836 Brixton, Surrey, England Wife Thomas Brown 10 abt 1861 Middlesex, England Son William Brown 8 abt 1863 Middlesex, England Son Daniel Scanlan 43 John Whale 61 abt 1810 Bermondsey, Surrey, England Winifred Whale 50 abt 1821 Galway, Ireland Have checked the image and - Address - 3 Corwn Ct Occupation of the head of house - Brokers man Occupation of sarah - charwoman The children - apart from Albert - are down as scholars Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 425; Folio: 33; Page: 61; GSU roll: 824633. Do you want me to follow up this family on 51 and 41 or do you want to check out the locations etc first? Pen x

Judith 1891 Name: John Throssell Age: 47 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844 Relation: Head Spouses's Name: Jane Gender: Male Where Born: Howden, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Sandal Magna Ecclesiastical parish: St Catherine Town: Belle Vue County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Wakefield Sub registration district: Sandal ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Household Members: Name Age Jane Throssell 48 abt 1843 Thornhill, Yorkshire, England Wife John Throssell 47 abt 1844 Howden, Yorkshire, England Head John E Throssell 28 abt 1863 Thornhill, Yorkshire, England Son Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 3743; Folio 143; Page 15; GSU roll: 6098853. Have just looked at the image - Address -22 Back William Street Occupation - Relief signal man John is a bricklayer **************************************************** 1901 Name: John Throstle Age: 57 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844 Relation: Head Spouses's Name: Jane Gender: Male Where born: Howden, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Sandal Magna Ecclesiastical parish: Sandal Magna St Helen and St Catherine County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Wakefield Sub-registration district: Sandal ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Household schedule number: 66 Household Members: Name Age Jane Throstle 58 abt 1843 Thornhill, Yorkshire, England Wife John Throstle 57 abt 1844 Howden, Yorkshire, England Head Have looked at the image and - Address - 45 William Street Occuaption - Railway signalman Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4278; Folio: 89; Page: 11. Pen x

Hi Pen Could you please follow this family through the census- John Gilbert b 1797 Teston,Kent his wife Jane b 1800 Teston,Kent children- Ellen b 1820,John b 1822,Thomas b 1824,Jane b 1826,Mary Ann b 1828, Elizabeth b 1830,Michael b 1833,Edward b 1835,William b 1838,Julia b 1843 (all in Teston)+ maybe more kids Thanks Kerri

Hi Pen, It's Mike back from holiday and renewing the search for Browns. I have Thomas Brown born 1860 Lambeth (?Clement St Danes), father Joseph Brown. Can you please check 1861 census for Thomas' family details, and if you have time to track them back through the 1851 and 1841 censuses, I'll be very grateful. Kind regards Mike

Hi Pen, Could you try to find on the 1891 and 1901 Census`s John Throssell B 1844 Howden Yorks and Jane Harrison B 1843 Thornhill W Yorks They married in 1870 at Thornhill, Thank you ever so much in anticipation Judith

Added by Jackie Walker on 07/08/2006 22:29:05 Hi Penelope Could you please have a look on the 1901 census for Mary Clayton born c1855 in Ireland, husband William c1853 in Stockport, in 1881 they had children Elizabeth then 6, James 4, Frederick 2, they lived in Stockport, Cheshire. Thank you Jackie *************************************************** Unable to locate them in the 1901, so will have to work forward from the 1881....... 1881 for my ref - Name: Mary Clayton Age: 26 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855 Relation: Wife Spouses's Name: William Gender: Female Where Born: Ireland Civil parish: Stockport County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Street address: 1 Birchenough C King St Condition as to marriage: Married Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Cotton Weaver Registration district: Stockport Sub registration district: Stockport First ED, institution, or vessel: 23 Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Clayton 6 abt 1875 Stockport, Cheshire, England Frederick Clayton 2 abt 1879 Stockport Son James Clayton 4 abt 1877 Stockport Son Mary Clayton 26 abt 1855 Ireland Wife William Clayton 28 abt 1853 Stockport, Cheshire, England Head Occupation of William - Gen Lab Address - 1 Birchenough C King St *************************************************** 1891 for my ref - ??

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Hi Pen, just going to digest all the info you have given me, keeping my fingers crossed at the same time, thank you so much, you have been a great help. Thanks Mary xx

Thanks Pen that is him. We think his mothers name is Elizabeth Tyler. We found him on 1881 census as a boarder aged 10 months so not got very far with this one yet. Thanks for your help GLoria

once again thank you very much pen michael

Hi Pen yes that is what I have, but I cannot find her at all up until then..... I have been unable to find anything else about her before that year!! I know I wont find anything after as that census isnt available yet I will be grateful if you can find her existing on any other census please!! The address that Lilian was born in was 40 Mercier Street, Hulme Chorlton, Manchester regards Val:~)

For my ref - 1901 Name: Helen Stewart Watt Age: 33 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Arbroath, Scotland Civil parish: South Manchester Ecclesiastical parish: St Saviour County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Chorlton Sub-registration district: Chorlton upon Medlock ED, institution, or vessel: 28 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 256 Household Members: Name Age Edwin Moore 43 William Ntheoton 65 Helen Stewart Watt 33 Lillian Watt 9 Helen - head and a widow ***COULD you please supply me with the address - place of birth - from the cert please? Pen x

Hi Pen I'm not even sure you can help me but would be grateful for anything please My Great Grandmother was born in Arbroath in Scotland in 1861/2 her given names where Helen Stewart - surname Watt I have found her living in Manchester on the 1901 Census, living at 17 Claremont Street, Chorlton upon Medlock. this is South Manchester, it shows her as being born in 1868!! I know it has to be her as she has my Gran Lilian living with her (born 16 Oct. 1891) on Lilians birth certificate (which I have) it has William Watt a newspaper compositor as her father. Can you find her on any other census that you have please? I dont know if its any help but I do have details on bottom of page. RG 13, Piece 3696, Folio 90, page 56, and Ed Inst or vessel 28 I would be very grateful if you can find out anything for me best regards Val:~)

Michael Pettefer 1891 Name: David Evans Age: 1 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890 Relation: Son Father's name: Joseph Mother's name: Margaret Gender: Male Where Born: Abergele, Denbighshire, Wales Civil parish: Abergele Ecclesiastical parish: Abergele Town: Abergele County/Island: Denbighshire Country: Wales Street address: View image Condition as to marriage: View image Education: View image Employment status: View image Occupation: View image Registration district: St Asaph Sub registration district: Abergele ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Household Members: Name Age Catherine E Evans 5 abt 1886 Abergele, Denbighshire, Wales Daughter David Evans 1 abt 1890 Abergele, Denbighshire, Wales Son Joseph Evans 38 abt 1853 Llanfihangel, Montgomeryshire, Wales Head Joseph Evans 3 abt 1888 Abergele, Denbighshire, Wales Son Margaret Evans 26 abt 1865 Dolgelley, Merionethshire, Wales Wife Margaret Evans 7 abt 1884 Abergele, Denbighshire, Wales Daughter Gwen Thomas 16 Servant Abergele, Denbighshire, Wales Joseph the head - occupation - Auctioneer Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 4628; Folio 40; Page 25; GSU roll: 6099738. ************************ 1901 Name: David Evans Age in 1901: 11 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890 Relation: Son Father's name: Joseph Gender: Male Where born: Abergele, Denbighshire, Wales Civil parish: Rhyl Ecclesiastical parish: Rhyl Holy Trinity Town: Rhyl County/Island: Flintshire Country: Wales Street address: View image Condition as to marriage: View image Education: View image Employment status: View image Occupation: View image Registration district: St Asaph Sub-registration district: St Asaph ED, institution, or vessel: 17 Household schedule number: 148 Household Members: Name Age Catherine E Evans 15 abt 1886 Abergele, Denbighshire, Wales Daughter Charlotte A Evans 9 abt 1892 Abergele, Denbighshire, Wales Daughter David Evans 11 abt 1890 Abergele, Denbighshire, Wales Son Joseph Evans 52 abt 1849 Montgomeryshire, Wales Head Joseph Evans 13 abt 1888 Denbigh, Denbighshire, Wales Son Maggie Evans 17 abt 1884 Abergele, Denbighshire, Wales Daughter Catherine Jones 28 abt 1873 Rhuddlan, Flintshire, Wales Servant Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 5236; Folio: 133; Page: 28 Pen x

Gloryer Gloryer Hi there, Nothing definate (ie no middle name given) - but .... 1891 Name: Frederick Tyler Age: 10 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881 Relation: Pauper Gender: Male Where Born: Chipping Norton, Oxfordshire, England Civil parish: Chipping Norton Ecclesiastical parish: Chipping Norton Town: Heythrop County/Island: Oxfordshire Country: England Registration district: Chipping Norton Sub registration district: Chipping Norton ED, institution, or vessel: Union Workhouse Neighbors: View others on page Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 1179; Folio 213; Page ; GSU roll: 6096289. NO other Tyler's with him...any idea about his parents name's etc as perhaps he has been mistranscribed? Pen x

Hi pen need help with david evans born 1890 abergele denbighshire rhyl flintshire. fathers name joseph evans 1849 montomeryshire rhyl flintshire any info would be great

1891 please Frederick Garnet Tyler b 1880 Oxfordshire please Thanks GLoria

Jackie Walker Hi Jackie, struggling to find anything for you - most probably mistranscribed. Please can I have the details for your g grandfather. (from the marriage in 1878) Cheers Pen x

Gaynor Waters 1901 Name: Georges Grant Age: 48 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853 Relation: Head Spouses's Name: Emily Gender: Male Where born: Linsted, Kent, England Civil parish: Boxley Ecclesiastical parish: Boxley the Blessed Virgin Mary and All Saints Town: Boxley County/Island: Kent Country: England Registration district: Hollingbourn Sub-registration district: Hollingbourn ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Household schedule number: 79 Household Members: Name Age Emily Grant 48 abt 1853 Boxley, Kent, England Wife George E Grant 15 abt 1886 Faversham, Kent, England Son Georges Grant 48 abt 1853 Linsted, Kent, England Head Thomas J Grant 12 abt 1889 Boxley, Kent, England Son Violet M Grant 3 abt 1898 Boxley, Kent, England Daughter Winnifred L Grant 9 abt 1892 Boxley, Kent, England Daughter Walter Jimonett 33 abt 1868 Faversham, Kent, England Lodger Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 770; Folio: 47; Page: 13. ************************** 1891 Name: Thomas J Grant Age: 2 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889 Relation: Son Father's name: George Mother's name: Emily Gender: Male Where Born: Boxley, Kent, England Civil parish: Boxley Ecclesiastical parish: Boxley Town: Sandsting County/Island: Kent Country: England Registration district: Hollingbourn Sub registration district: Hollingbourn ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Household Members: Name Age Alice M Grant 7 abt 1884 Faversham, Kent, England Daughter Edith E Grant 9 abt 1882 Faversham, Kent, England Daughter Emily Grant 38 abt 1853 Boxley, Kent, England Wife Emily E Grant 12 abt 1879 Lynsted, Kent, England Daughter George Grant 38 abt 1853 Lynsted, Kent, England Head George E Grant 5 abt 1886 Faversham, Kent, England Son Thomas J Grant 2 abt 1889 Boxley, Kent, England Son John Walling 90 abt 1801 Kings Wood, Gloucestershire, England Lodger Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 691; Folio 45; Page 18; GSU roll: 6095801. Pen x