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hi pen could you please do an 1841/1851 census lookup for ROBERT BROWNLEE, born 1804 in sunderland, durham. i have found, in 1881 census, that he was married to a MARGARET ?, born 1814 in north shields, northumberland. i know that they had a son, JOB BROWNLEE, born 1846 in north shields and have information on him, but am more interested in any info you may find on robert and margaret. THANK YOU :) scott

Hi Pen. Thank you for all the data you've produced for Harriet Griffiths/Beat it is of great help and might help to solve a mystery. Regards Ron

Pam Joseph Wardle unable to find him on the Welsh 1891 or the 1891 for England. Will try the 1881 and hopefully might get other family details and locate him. Easier to look for a group... P x **UPDATE can not find him on 81 with those birth details. What next, any idea of parentage?

Pamela Meats For my ref - 1881 - as I am unable to find him on the 1851 and 1841, so will need to work back.... Name: Robert Brownlee Age: 77 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1804 Relation: Head Spouses's Name: Margaret Gender: Male Where Born: Sunderland, Durham, England Civil parish: Tynemouth County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Street address: 2 East Percy St Condition as to marriage: Married Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Retired Mariner Registration district: Tynemouth Sub registration district: Tynemouth ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Margaret Brownlee 67 North Shields, Northumberland, England abt 1814 Robert Brownlee 77 ************************************** 1861 - Was Margaret a 2nd wife then ?? Could you please confirm xx Name: Job Brownlee Age: 14 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847 Relation: Son Father's name: Robert Mother's name: Maria Gender: Male Where born: Newcastle, Northumberland, England Civil parish: Tynemouth Town: North Shields County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Tynemouth Sub-registration district: Tynemouth ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Household schedule number: 32 Household Members: Name Age Job Brownlee 14 Newcastle, Northumberland, England abt 1847 Maria Brownlee 56 Newcastle, Northumberland, England abt 1805 abt 1805 Robert Brownlee 56 Sunderland, Durham, England Robert Brownlee 14 Sunderland, Durham, England abt 1847 ****************************************************** 1851 Name: Maria Brownlee Age: 48 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1803 Relation: Wife Spouses's Name: Robert Gender: Female Where born: Northld, Newcastle Civil parish: Tynemouth Ecclesiastical parish: Tynemouth Town: North Shields County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district: Tynemouth Sub-registration district: Tynemouth ED, institution, or vessel: 1i Household schedule number: 81 Household Members: Name Age Hannah Brownlee 18 abt 1833 Northld, Newcastle Daughter Margaret Brownlee 20 abt 1831 Northld, Newcastle Daught Maria Brownlee 48 abt 1803 Northld, Newcastle Wife Maria Brownlee 2 abt 1849 Northld, Newcastle Daughter Pachnet Brownlee 5 abt 1846 Northld, Newcastle Son Robert Brownlee 50 abt 1801 Sunderland, Durham, England Head Robert Brownlee 8 abt 1843 Northld, Newcastle Son Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2410; Folio: 346; Page: 19; GSU roll: 87088. ***************************************************** 1841 View Record Hannah Brownlee abt 1838 Northumberland, England All Saints Northumberland View Record Margt Brownlee abt 1836 Northumberland, England All Saints Northumberland View Record Maria Brownlee abt 1806 Northumberland, England All Saints Northumberland Name: Maria Brownlee Age: 35 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806 Household: View other family members Gender: Female Where born: Northumberland, England Civil parish: All Saints Hundred: Tindale (West Division) County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Street address: Occupation: View image Source information: HO107/846/1 Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne Sub-registration district: All Saints ED, institution, or vessel: 19 Folio: 32 Page: 28 (click to see others on page) Line number: 16 GSU Number: 438898 Pen x ****************************************************** This looks like the death entry of the young daughter Maria - Name: Maria Brownlee Year of Registration: 1846 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: Prescot County: Lancashire Volume: 20 Page: 607 (click to see others on page) This looks like the mother Maria's death entry - Name: Maria Brownlee Estimated Birth Year: abt 1802 Year of Registration: 1872 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec Age at death: 70 District: Gateshead County: Durham, Tyne And Wear Volume: 10a Page: 459 (click to see others on page) ****************************************************** This could be his 2nd marriage - View Record Robert Brownlee 1873 Apr-May-Jun Newcastle Upon Tyne Northumberland View Record Elizabeth Edminson 1873 Apr-May-Jun Newcastle Upon Tyne Northumberland View Record Margaret Franklin 1873 Apr-May-Jun Newcastle Upon Tyne Northumberland View Record Richard Savage 1873 Apr-May-Jun Newcastle Upon Tyne Northumberland CONTINUED ON NEXT MESSAGE .......

Pamela Meats - CONTINUED Scott This looks like a match with the bride - Margaret Franklin - and the details given in the 1881 census for Margaret Brownlee. What do you think? 1871 Name: Marget Franklin Age: 57 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1814 Relation: Wife Gender: Female Where born: Northd, North Shields Civil Parish: Tynemouth Ecclesiastical parish: Tynemouth Town: North Shields County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Registration district: Tynemouth Sub-registration district: Tynemouth ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Household schedule number: 194 Household Members: Name Age Edward Franklin 25 Northd, North Shields abt 1846 son Marget Franklin 57 Elien Wortham 3 South Shields, Durham, England abt 1868 granddaughter On the image, she is down as W, in the column stating the family member ranking, I think this means Widow. The other wifes on the page are down as wife. In the column for marital status, she just has a dash. Pen x

Hi Pen could you have a look on 1901 for:- Charles E Mills please this is on Frecen - 1891 for ref MILLS Charles Head M M 69 Agri Labourer(Em'ee) Hampshire - Romsey MILLS Mary Wife M F 66 London - - >>MILLS Charles E. Son S M 21 Rlw Labourer(Em'ee) Hampshire - Romsey Piece: RG12/940 Place: Winchester-Hampshire Enumeration District: 4 Civil Parish: Otterbourne Ecclesiastical Parish: Otterbourne Folio: 55 Page: 36 Schedule: 198b (he many not be in same area, at some point they may have moved south towards Gloucester/Cheddar, as the next generation are found their in 1919) many thanks Karen

Hi Pen I would be ever so grateful if you could look up on the 1891 and 1901 census for me for the following: My GGG grandparents John and Eliza Marchant, from Hollington, East Sussex. John, a brickmaker, was born 1844 in Ore, Sussex and Eliza was born 1842 in Westfield, Sussex. Their children were Sarah b1864, Henry b1866, Charlotte b1867, George b1870, Christiana b1874, Alfred b1877, Frederick b1878 and Gertrude b1880. On the 1881 census they are listed at 4 Ashbrook Cottages, Hollington. Any further details on this branch of my family would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks. Jo Read

Karen For my ref 1891 Name: Charles Mills Age: 69 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822 Relation: Head Spouses's Name: Mary Gender: Male Where Born: Romsey, Hampshire, England Civil parish: Otterbourne Ecclesiastical parish: Otterbourne Town: Otterbourne Hill County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Registration district: Winchester Sub registration district: Hursley ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Charles Mills 69 Charles E Mills 21 Romsey, Hampshire, England abt 1870 Mary Mills 66 London, England abt 1825 ************************* 1901 ?? Can not find them at the mo. Pen x 1881 Name: Chas. E. Mills Age: 11 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870 Relation: Son Father's name: Chas. Mother's name: Mary Gender: Male Where Born: Romsey, Hampshire, England Civil parish: Romsey Extra County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Street address: Whitenap Lodge Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Scholar Registration district: Romsey Sub registration district: Romsey ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Tom Fay 17 Chas. Mills 59 Chas. E. Mills 11 James Mills 22 Mary Mills 56 ***************************************************** 1871 Name: Chas E Mills Age: 1 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870 Relation: Son Father's name: Charles Mother's name: Mary Gender: Male Where born: Romsey, Hampshire, England Civil Parish: Romsey Extra Ecclesiastical parish: Winchester Town: Romsey Extra County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district: Romsey Sub-registration district: Romsey ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Household schedule number: 5 Household Members: Name Age Alice Mills 10 Amelia Mills 4 Charles Mills 30 Romsey, Hampshire, England Chas E Mills 1 James Mills 12 Mary Mills 46 London, England abt 1825

Jo Read Hi Jo, 1891 census Name: Eliza Marchant Age: 48 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843 Relation: Wife Spouses's Name: John Gender: Female Where Born: Sedlescombe, Sussex, England Civil parish: St Leonard Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew Town: Hastings County/Island: Sussex Country: England Registration district: Hastings Sub registration district: St Mary in the Castle ED, institution, or vessel: 31 Household Members: Name Age Christianna Marchant 17 Eliza Marchant 48 abt 1843 Sedlescombe, Sussex, England Wife Frederick Marchant 13 abt 1878 Hollington, Sussex, England Son Gertrude Marchant 15 abt 1876 Hollington, Sussex, England Daugh John Marchant 47 abt 1844 Hastings, Sussex, England Head Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 766; Folio 117; Page 23; GSU roll: 6095876. Have checked the image and - Address - 29 Gayton Road Occupation of head of house - Brickmaker ************************* 1901 Name: Gertrude Marchant Age: 20 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881 Relation: Daughter Father's name: John Mother's name: Eliza Gender: Female Where born: Hollington, Sussex, England Civil parish: St Matthew Ecclesiastical parish: Silverhill St Matthew County/Island: Sussex Country: England Registration district: Hastings Sub-registration district: St Mary Magdalen ED, institution, or vessel: 23 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 32 Household Members: Name Age Eliza Marchant 58 abt 1843 Sedlescombe, Sussex, England Wife Gertrude Marchant 20 abt 1881 Hollington, Sussex, England Daughter John Marchant 57 abt 1844 Ore, Sussex, England Head Address - It looks like Schoolan*** ******* Road Occupation of head - retired brickmaker Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 872; Folio: 86; Page: 5. ******************************************************* 1891 Name: George Marchant Age: 20 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871 Relation: Lodger Gender: Male Where Born: Hollington, Sussex, England Civil parish: St Leonard Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew Town: St Leonard Silver Hill County/Island: Sussex Country: England Registration district: Hastings Sub registration district: St Mary in the Castle ED, institution, or vessel: 30 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age George Marchant 20 Sarah Waters 43 Stephen Waters 43 Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 766; Folio 85; Page 16; GSU roll: 6095876. ******************************************************* 1901 Name: George I Marchant (might be a J ?) Age: 31 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870 Relation: Head Spouses's Name: Kate Gender: Male Where born: Hollington, Sussex, England Civil parish: Canterbury Ecclesiastical parish: Canterbury St Gregory the Great County/Island: Kent Country: England Registration district: Canterbury Sub-registration district: Canterbury ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 126 Household Members: Name Age Cecil G V Marchant 9 months abt 1900 Faversham, Kent, England Son George I Marchant 31 abt 1870 Hollington, Sussex, England Head Kate Marchant 30 abt 1871 Ewhurst, Sussex, England Wife Address - 8 Story Road Cottages Occupation of Head of house - Brickmaker Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 792; Folio: 75; Page: 18. ****************************************************** Pen x

Hi Pen Sorry l didn't reply earlier but l went offline last night and have only just signed in. l don't have Joseph's parentage but wonder if he was a Manxman and that's why he and Lydia went over there shortly after their marriage? Looks like another trail gone cold. lf it's ok can l ask for another look up please on the 1851 Lower Gornal. Staffs. Thomas Hopson aged abt 10 years. Hopefully he's at home with his family and not a servant or something lol. Thanks in advance Pam

Pam You just caught me....just about to go back into the garden. Clearing an area for our pigs, due here in about 3 weeks !! Right, 1851 - no sign of him using those details. We are not having much luck are we??? lol. I'm checking the census for England - willnow check wales. What next? P x

Hi Pen, I was wondering if you could do a look up for me in the 1871 census please?It's for John Walker,he was born about 1844 in Bedlington,Northumberland.Sorry,I don't have his parent's names, Thanks very much, Wendy

Hi Pen many thanks for the MILLS info, it hopefully will come in handy later. It's the son Charles E(edward) Mills I am desperate to find , possibly married (Louise) & had child Albert Edward Mills bc1898 If you have time for another quick look would really appreciate it best regards Karen

Hi Pen Ahhh pigs, your not going to eat them are you? My husband wanted to keep pigs years ago but he knew they'd never get to market with me about lol Anyway sorry l delayed their new home being sorted. l think l'll give up on those 2 for a while. Thomas says he was born abt 1841 at Lower Gornal. Maybe the family had moved on like my Powney lot they were everywhere, no wonder we used to have itchy feet. l suppose they went where the work was. Thanks anyway Pen. Sorry it was a waste of time. Good luck with the new additions. Best wishes Pam

Wendy Lynch 1851 Name: John Walker Age: 6 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845 Relation: Son Father's name: Robert Mother's name: Elizabeth Gender: Male Where born: Bedlington, Northumberland, England Civil parish: Bedlington Town: Bedlington County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Registration district: Morpeth Sub-registration district: Morpeth ED, institution, or vessel: 2a Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 50 Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Walker 34 abt 1817 Bedlington, Northumberland, England Wife Jane Walker 10 abt 1841 Bedlington, Northumberland, England Daughter John Walker 6 abt 1845 Bedlington, Northumberland, England Son Matthews Walker 1 abt 1850 Bedlington, Northumberland, England Robert Walker 40 abt 1770 Bullington, Northumberland, England Head Robert Walker 4 abt 1811 Bedlington, Northumberland, England Head Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2418; Folio: 311; Page: 16; GSU roll: 87096. *************************************************** 1861 - looks like his sister working with him.... Name: Matthew Walker Age: 11 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850 Relation: Son Father's name: Robert Mother's name: Elizabeth Gender: Male Where born: Bedlington, Northumberland, England Civil parish: Bedlington Town: Bedlington County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Registration district: Morpeth Sub-registration district: Bedlington ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 40 Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Walker 44 abt 1817 Bedlington, Northumberland, England Wife Elizabeth Walker 4 Mo abt 1860 Bedlington, Northumberland, England Daughter James Walker 5 abt 1856 Bedlington, Northumberland, England Son Matthew Walker 11 abt 1850 Bedlington, Northumberland, England Son Robert Walker 50 abt 1811 Bedlington, Northumberland, England Head Robert Walker 14 abt 1847 Bedlington, Northumberland, England Son Thomas Walker 8 abt 1853 Bedlington, Northumberland, England Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 3872; Folio: 99; Page: 7; GSU roll: 543199. *************************************************** 1861 Name: John Walker Age: 16 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845 Relation: Servant Gender: Male Where born: Bedlington, Northumberland, England Civil parish: Bedlington Town: Bedlington County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Registration district: Morpeth Sub-registration district: Bedlington ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Household schedule number: 50 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Dawson 21 Hannah Gardner 28 Ellen Keeney 21 Thomas Lodd 17 Jane Walker 20 abt 1841 Bedlington, Northumberland, England Servant John Walker 16 abt 1845 Bedlington, Northumberland, England Servant Charles T Whitley 52 Frances Whitley 51 Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 3872; Folio: 100; Page: 9; GSU roll: 543199. *************************************************** Finally got him on the 1871 .... Name: John Walker Age: 26 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845 Relation: Head Spouses's Name: Margret J Gender: Male Where born: Northd, Bedlington Civil Parish: Bedlington Ecclesiastical parish: Bedlington St Cuthbert Town: Bedlington County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Registration district: Morpeth Sub-registration district: Bedlington ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 41 Household Members: Name Age John Walker 26 Margret J Walker 20 Northd, Benton abt 1851 Robert Walker 1 Northd, Bedlington abt 1870 Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 5165; Folio: 88; Page: 8; GSU roll: 848483. Seems to match the 1881 census. Pen x

Karen Lol, I wish you had given me that info before - Not sure about this birthplace? and age? does this rule anything out? 1901 Name: Charles E Mills Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876 Relation: Head Spouses's Name: Lousia Gender: Male Where born: Abinghall, Warwickshire, England Civil parish: Worcester Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity Town: Worcester County/Island: Worcestershire Country: England Registration district: Worcester Sub-registration district: Worcester ED, institution, or vessel: 34 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 74 Household Members: Name Age Albert E Mills 2 abt 1899 Worcestershire, England Son Charles E Mills 25 abt 1876 Abinghall, Warwickshire, England Head Lousia Mills 27 abt 1874 Bed Marley, Gloucestershire, England Wife Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 2780; Folio: 97; Page: 11. Address - 4 Hill Street Occupation of head of household - Gas Fitters Labourer Pen x

Hi Pam, Yep piggies for eating !! I must admit I am a little worried about the 'grim reaper bit'....but have told myself not to give them names. It's gonna be a costly mistake if we keep them as pets. Pig poo for the garden and them munching down in the orchard, keeping it clear would be good though, lol. Pen x

Hi Pen. Your a star This looks like Alice and Ann these are my gg aunties how sad. thats another brickwall gone only ten more to go lol. thanks for your hard work on this cheers Frank

Hi Frank It's nice when those wall's crumble down, lol. I shall keep coming back to it, we shall get them in the end, lol. Will PM you WHEN I get more (ever the optimist) Pen x

Hi again Pen l know you must be strong and when grim reaper comes to call make sure your not home lol. Hubby says can you send him a couple of trotters - attached to the body!! You might even get into pig family history lol You are soooooo lucky. All the best in your new venture Pam xx