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Pen I would be very grateful if you could help me with an entry in the 1861 census. I am looking for a William Gimson born 1855 Also, for an Annie Bowerman in the same census born 1854 premusably again in Tottenham. Many, many thanks Martin

Hi Pen could you please seach 51 an 61 census for a Jeremiah White occupation Dyer had a daughter called Mary b1842c in clayton Manchester but married in Chadderton Oldham. Sorry its not much to go on but its all I have, thnx for any help Janet

1851 for my ref Name: Susan Betts Age: 41 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1810 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Gillingham, Kent, England Civil parish: Teston County/Island: Kent Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district: Maidstone Sub-registration district: Yalding ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 43 Household Members: Name Age David Betts 19 Edward Betts 4 James Betts 14 Susan Betts 41 Susan Betts 5 ***************************** 1861 Name: Susan Betts Age: 52 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1809 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Gillingham, Kent, England Civil parish: Teston Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter and St Paul County/Island: Kent Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Maidstone Sub-registration district: Yalding ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 17 Household Members: Name Age Robert Betts 14 Teston, Kent, England son Susan Betts 52 Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 497; Folio: 104; Page: 3; GSU roll: 542649 **Looks like Edward is Robert *************************** 1871 Name: Susan Betts Age: 64 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1807 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Gillingham, Kent, England Civil Parish: Teston Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter and St Paul County/Island: Kent Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district: Maidstone Sub-registration district: Yalding ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 44a Household Members: Name Age Susan Betts 64 Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 937; Folio: 112; Page: 11; GSU roll: 838710. Pen x

thank you, she was born in hyde cheshire, her parents were william and mary(nee daley) mccormick/ mccormack, thanks again wendy *************************************************************************** Hi Wendy, thanks for that but where is she in the 1881 census - Can you please supply the source details from the www.familysearch.org site - as I can not locate her in 81 and need this for my ref. Is this her mistranscribed then on the 81 ? Name: Nancy Mc Lannack Age: 9 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872 Relation: Daughter Father's name: William Mother's name: Mary Gender: Female Where Born: Hyde, Cheshire, England Civil parish: Hyde County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Street address: No 1 Court Robert St Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Cardroom Hand (Cm) Registration district: Stockport Sub registration district: Hyde ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Household Members: Name Age Eliza Mc Lannack 4 abt 1877 Hyde, Cheshire, England Daughter Lizzie Mc Lannack 1 abt 1880 Hyde, Cheshire, England Daughter Mary Mc Lannack 30 abt 1851 Hyde, Cheshire, England Wife Nancy Mc Lannack 9 1872 Hyde, Cheshire, England Daughter William Mc Lannack 26 abt 1855 Dublin, Ireland Head Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 3467; Folio: 20; Page: 34; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341830. Have you tried to locate the other members of the family in later census? Pen x *********************** Her family in 1891 - without her.... Name: Eliza McCormick Age: 14 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877 Relation: Daughter Father's name: William Mother's name: Mary Gender: Female Where Born: ??, Hyde Civil parish: Higher Booths Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints Town: Crawshaw Booth County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Haslingden Sub registration district: Rossendale ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Household Members: Name Age Eliza McCormick 14 Elizabeth McCormick 11 Mary McCormick 39 Michael McCormick 7 William McCormick 35 William McCormick 5 Have you searched for a death or marriage yet? ************************

Hi again Pen Thanks for finding David Betts from Teston,Kent.Could you please see if his mother Susan/Susannah Betts is still alive in 1861 & 1871? In 1851 Susan was a widow,living with children David 19,Susan 5, James 14 & Edward 4 in Teston. Thanks Kerri

Pen, Many thanks for info on Mrs Smith, that's given me a good lead. Kev

Thanks Penelope, that could be her - will investigate further! Julie

Hi Pen. Thanks for delivering the goods again. Will show the info re the ROE family to son of Mary Jane Roe tomorrow. Regards Ron

Pen Without appearing too stupid(hopefully)...whats IGI? Thanks for looking though Alistair

Added by Alistair Ellsbury on 28/08/2006 19:56:10 Penelope Looking for confirmation of parents of Thomas Dixon Hutchinson born Otterington and registered Thirsk December qtr 1841 Ref 24 451 much appreciated Alistair *************************** Have checked out the 1851 census and can not find him. Have you checked the IGI? Pen x

Added by Kevin Clark on 28/08/2006 19:51:09 Hi Pen, further to my request 26Aug 19:26 & your prompt reply, I have now discovered from FreeBMD that daughter Martha L C Roberts (b mid-1861) married either William E Smith or Arthur E Webb in 1887. Can you please try to discover which one, from later censuses, & their family. Still expected to be living in Bethnal Green/Shoreditch area of London east end. Thanks, Kev *************************************************************************** 1901 Looks like she married a SMITH Name: Martha L C Smith Age: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861 Relation: Wife Spouses's Name: William E Gender: Female Where Born: Bethnal Green, London, England Civil parish: Shoreditch Ecclesiastical parish: St Saviour Town: London County/Island: London Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Shoreditch Sub registration district: Hoxton Old Town ED, institution, or vessel: 22 Household Members: Name Age Martha E Smith 11/12 abt 1890 Shoreditch, London, England Daughter Martha L C Smith 30 abt 1861 Bethnal Green, London, England Wife William E Smith 31 abt 1860 Islington, London, England Head Willm F Smith 2 abt 1889 Shoreditch, London, England Son Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 250; Folio 166; Page 15; GSU roll: 6095360. Have viewed the image - Address - 13 Blanch or Branch Place Occupation of head of house - Gen Labourer *************************** 1901 Name: Martha L Smith Age: 39 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862 Relation: Wife Spouses's Name: Wm E Gender: Female Where born: Bethnal Green, London, England Civil parish: Charlton Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul County/Island: London Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Woolwich Sub-registration district: Charlton ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Household schedule number: 295 Household Members: Name Age Chas A Smith 7 abt 1894 Hoxton, London, England Son Emma A Smith 9 abt 1892 Hoxton, London, England Daughter Martha E Smith 10 abt 1891 Hoxton, London, England Daughter Martha L Smith 39 abt 1862 Bethnal Green, London, England Wife Wm E Smith 41 abt 1860 Islington, London, England Head Wm F Smith 12 abt 1889 Hoxton, London, England Son Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 563; Folio: 67; Page: 40. Have looked at the image - Address - 44 Inverine Road Occupation of head - gutter *????* joiner Elec App - middle word is P---- ??? Pen x

Julie Aston MARY ELIZABETH BRYANT born Margam Glamorgan aged approx 16 years, she should still be in Glamorgan but may be down as Elizabeth Mary. Thanks again for your time. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Could this be her ? Only one close match to that info... 1901 Name: Lizzie Bryant Age in 1901: 16 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885 Relation: Granddaughter Gender: Female Where born: Margam, Glamorgan, Wales Civil parish: Margam Ecclesiastical parish: Margam St Mary and Tai bach Town: Trissent County/Island: Glamorgan Country: Wales Street address: View image Condition as to marriage: View image Education: View image Employment status: View image Occupation: View image Registration district: Neath Sub-registration district: Margam ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Household schedule number: 8 Household Members: Name Age Lizzie Bryant 16 Ann Williams 75 abt 1826 head Wallsend, Northamptonshire, England Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 5053; Folio: 5; Page: 2. Pen x

David 1841 Name: Francis Watch Age: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811 Household: View other family members Gender: Male Where born: Somerset, England Civil parish: Pilton Hundred: Whitstone County/Island: Somerset Country: England Source information: HO107/963/9 Registration district: Shepton Mallet Sub-registration district: Shepton Mallet ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Folio: 37 Page: 6 (click to see others on page) Line number: 9 GSU Number: 474606 View Record Name Estimated Birth Year BirthPlace Civil Parish County/Island View Image View Record William Broderip abt 1776 Somerset, England Pilton Somerset View Record Samuel Vining abt 1821 Somerset, England Pilton Somerset View Record Francis Watch abt 1811 Somerset, England Pilton Somerset ************************** Name: Elizabeth Watch Age: 60 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1781 Household: View other family members Gender: Female Where born: Somerset, England Civil parish: Pilton Hundred: Whitstone County/Island: Somerset Country: England Source information: HO107/963/9 Registration district: Shepton Mallet Sub-registration district: Shepton Mallet ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Folio: 38 Page: 8 (click to see others on page) Line number: 17 GSU Number: 474606 View Record Elizabeth Watch abt 1781 Somerset, England Pilton Somerset View Record Samuel Watch abt 1791 Somerset, England Pilton Somerset *************************** Pen x

Penelope Looking for confirmation of parents of Thomas Dixon Hutchinson born Otterington and registered Thirsk December qtr 1841 Ref 24 451 much appreciated Alistair

Hi Pen, further to my request 26Aug 19:26 & your prompt reply, I have now discovered from FreeBMD that daughter Martha L C Roberts (b mid-1861) married either William E Smith or Arthur E Webb in 1887. Can you please try to discover which one, from later censuses, & their family. Still expected to be living in Bethnal Green/Shoreditch area of London east end. Thanks, Kev

Penelope, could I ask you another favour after you just found the Bryants for me. Could you please look on the 1901 for MARY ELIZABETH BRYANT born Margam Glamorgan aged approx 16 years, she should still be in Glamorgan but may be down as Elizabeth Mary. Thanks again for your time.

Hi Pen This may be a big one but hopefully not. I'm now looking for all instances of WATCH in SOMERSET, 1841 census. They mainly resided around the Pilton / Shepton Mallet area, but some Chew Magna & Wookey, other known locations Shut Well Lane & Prospect from other census returns. Likely male names are John, James, George, William, Edward, Albert & Thomas. Sorry can't be more specific. Hope it's not too much of a problem. Many thanks David

Thanks for providing so much info Penelope. It will be a great help. Julie

Julie Aston Hi there .... 1891 Name: William John Bryant Age: 27 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864 Relation: Head Spouses's Name: Mary Jane Gender: Male Where Born: Southmoutten, Devon, England Civil parish: Margam Ecclesiastical parish: Margam Town: Tai bach County/Island: Glamorgan Country: Wales Street address: View image Condition as to marriage: View image Education: View image Employment status: View image Occupation: View image Registration district: Neath Sub registration district: Margam ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Household Members: Name Age Mary Elizth Bryant 6 abt 1885 Margam, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Mary Jane Bryant 26 abt 1865 Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Sidney Geo Bryant 1 abt 1890 Margam, Glamorgan, Wales son William John Bryant 27 abt 1864 Southmoutten, Devon, England Head William John Bryant 4 abt 1887 Margam, Glamorgan, Wales son Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 4457; Folio 35; Page 14; GSU roll: 6099567. Have viewed the image - Address - 27 Cotton Row Occupation of head - yellow metal * then the next word looks like furnaceman. ************************** 1901 Name: William J Bryant Age in 1901: 37 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864 Relation: Head Spouses's Name: Mary Jane Gender: Male Where born: South Moultan, Devon, England Civil parish: Merthyr Tydfil Ecclesiastical parish: Pentrebach Town: Troed y rhiw County/Island: Glamorgan Country: Wales Street address: View image Condition as to marriage: View image Education: View image Employment status: View image Occupation: View image Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil Sub-registration district: Lower Merthyr Tydfil ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Household schedule number: 239 Household Members: Name Age Annie Peel Bryant 13 months abt 1900 Penygiaig, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter George Bryant 11 abt 1890 Tuibuch, Glamorgan, Wales Son Mary Jane Bryant 36 abt 1865 Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife William J Bryant 37 abt 1864 South Moultan, Devon, England Head William J Bryant 14 abt 1887 Tuibuch, Glamorgan, Wales Son Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 5024; Folio: 106; Page: 43. Have viewed the image - Address - 47 *looks like Yew St Occupation - Captain Salvation Army Preach Pen x

Penelope, could you please look for the following couple on the 1891and 1901 cenus - WILLIAM BRYANT born c. 1865 in Devon MARY JANE BRYANT born c 1865 possibly in Gloucester. They should be living in Glamorgan, Wales. Thanks for your offer of look-ups. Julie