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Hi again Pen Thanks for finding David Betts from Teston,Kent.Could you please see if his mother Susan/Susannah Betts is still alive in 1861 & 1871? In 1851 Susan was a widow,living with children David 19,Susan 5, James 14 & Edward 4 in Teston. Thanks Kerri

thank you, she was born in hyde cheshire, her parents were william and mary(nee daley) mccormick/ mccormack, thanks again wendy *************************************************************************** Hi Wendy, thanks for that but where is she in the 1881 census - Can you please supply the source details from the www.familysearch.org site - as I can not locate her in 81 and need this for my ref. Is this her mistranscribed then on the 81 ? Name: Nancy Mc Lannack Age: 9 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872 Relation: Daughter Father's name: William Mother's name: Mary Gender: Female Where Born: Hyde, Cheshire, England Civil parish: Hyde County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Street address: No 1 Court Robert St Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Cardroom Hand (Cm) Registration district: Stockport Sub registration district: Hyde ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Household Members: Name Age Eliza Mc Lannack 4 abt 1877 Hyde, Cheshire, England Daughter Lizzie Mc Lannack 1 abt 1880 Hyde, Cheshire, England Daughter Mary Mc Lannack 30 abt 1851 Hyde, Cheshire, England Wife Nancy Mc Lannack 9 1872 Hyde, Cheshire, England Daughter William Mc Lannack 26 abt 1855 Dublin, Ireland Head Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 3467; Folio: 20; Page: 34; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341830. Have you tried to locate the other members of the family in later census? Pen x *********************** Her family in 1891 - without her.... Name: Eliza McCormick Age: 14 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877 Relation: Daughter Father's name: William Mother's name: Mary Gender: Female Where Born: ??, Hyde Civil parish: Higher Booths Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints Town: Crawshaw Booth County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Haslingden Sub registration district: Rossendale ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Household Members: Name Age Eliza McCormick 14 Elizabeth McCormick 11 Mary McCormick 39 Michael McCormick 7 William McCormick 35 William McCormick 5 Have you searched for a death or marriage yet? ************************

1851 for my ref Name: Susan Betts Age: 41 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1810 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Gillingham, Kent, England Civil parish: Teston County/Island: Kent Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district: Maidstone Sub-registration district: Yalding ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 43 Household Members: Name Age David Betts 19 Edward Betts 4 James Betts 14 Susan Betts 41 Susan Betts 5 ***************************** 1861 Name: Susan Betts Age: 52 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1809 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Gillingham, Kent, England Civil parish: Teston Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter and St Paul County/Island: Kent Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Maidstone Sub-registration district: Yalding ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 17 Household Members: Name Age Robert Betts 14 Teston, Kent, England son Susan Betts 52 Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 497; Folio: 104; Page: 3; GSU roll: 542649 **Looks like Edward is Robert *************************** 1871 Name: Susan Betts Age: 64 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1807 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Gillingham, Kent, England Civil Parish: Teston Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter and St Paul County/Island: Kent Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district: Maidstone Sub-registration district: Yalding ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 44a Household Members: Name Age Susan Betts 64 Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 937; Folio: 112; Page: 11; GSU roll: 838710. Pen x

Hi Pen could you please seach 51 an 61 census for a Jeremiah White occupation Dyer had a daughter called Mary b1842c in clayton Manchester but married in Chadderton Oldham. Sorry its not much to go on but its all I have, thnx for any help Janet

Pen I would be very grateful if you could help me with an entry in the 1861 census. I am looking for a William Gimson born 1855 Also, for an Annie Bowerman in the same census born 1854 premusably again in Tottenham. Many, many thanks Martin

Janet H Sorry no sign of him on the 1851 and 1861 census. Pen x

Hi Pen thnx for trying Janet H x

Martin Hi What about these - 2 possibles - Name: William Gimson Age: 6 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855 Relation: Son Father's name: Edmund Mother's name: Louisa Gender: Male Where born: Hackney, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Hackney St John Ecclesiastical parish: Homerton County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Hackney Sub-registration district: Hackney ED, institution, or vessel: 17 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 107 Household Members: Name Age Annie Gimson 9 abt 1852 Hackney, Middlesex, England Daughter Catherine Gimson 13 abt 1848 Wandsworth, Surrey, England Daughter Clara Gimson 15 abt 1846 Wandsworth, Surrey, England Daughter Edmund Gimson 39 abt 1822 Hatfield, Hertfordshire, England Head Edmund Gimson 8 abt 1853 Hackney, Middlesex, England Son Emily Gimson 1 abt 1860 Hackney, Middlesex, England Daughter James Gimson 3 abt 1858 Hackney, Middlesex, England Son Louisa Gimson 37 abt 1824 Wandsworth, Surrey, England Wife William Gimson 6 abt 1855 Hackney, Middlesex, England Son Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 159; Folio: 55; Page: 16; GSU roll: 542583. ************************** or Name: William Gimson Age: 6 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855 Relation: Son Father's name: Henry Mother's name: Clara Gender: Male Where born: Edmonton, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Camberwell Ecclesiastical parish: St George County/Island: Surrey Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Camberwell Sub-registration district: St George ED, institution, or vessel: 15 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 212 Household Members: Name Age Clara Gimson 37 abt 1824 Marylebone, Middlesex, England Wife Clara Gimson 4 abt 1857 Usk, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Henry Gimson 42 abt 1819 Frolesworth, Leicestershire, England Head Henry Gimson 1 abt 1860 Camberwell, Surrey, England Son William Gimson 6 abt 1855 Edmonton, Middlesex, England Son Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 387; Folio: 146; Page: 40; GSU roll: 542628. *************************** Can not spot anything for Annie - any other info you can give me? Pen x

Pen Thank you very much. I though Williams father was a Henry so your second list fits in well. I haven't enything else for Annie I'm afraid!! Martin

Pen Oone other clue that might be useful is that I understand that Annie Bowerman married William Gimson. Thanks Martin

Added by Anne Freestone on 27/08/2006 12:57:48 Hello Pen, Thank you for your offer Have a bit of a teaser, so hope you can help 1851 census Surname Gardiner, Gardener, or Gardner Frederick b 1800 married Mary b 1800 Children Sarah b 1841 Mary b 1844 George b 1850 All of Carlisle, Cumbria. *************************************************** 1861 Name: Mary Gardner Age: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821 Relation: Wife Spouses's Name: Fredrick Gender: Female Where born: Carlisle, Cumberland, England Civil parish: Abbey Street County/Island: Cumberland Country: England Registration district: Carlisle Sub-registration district: St Mary ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 183 Household Members: Name Age Fredrick Gardner 40 George Gardner 1 Mary Gardner 30 1861 Is this them - birth dates are all diffrent to the ones provided though? Name: George Gardner Age: 11 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850 Relation: Son Father's name: Frederick Mother's name: Mary Gender: Male Where born: Carlisle, Cumberland, England Civil parish: Botchergate Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch County/Island: Cumberland Country: England Registration district: Carlisle Sub-registration district: St Cuthbert ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 185 Household Members: Name Age Frederick Gardner 52 Carlisle, Cumberland, England abt 1809 George Gardner 11 Carlisle, Cumberland, England abt 1850 Mary Gardner 40 Carlisle, Cumberland, England abt 1821 Mary Gardner 7 Carlisle, Cumberland, England abt 1854 Sarah Gardner 10 Carlisle, Cumberland, England abt 1851 ************************ 1851 Name: Mary Gardner Age: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821 Relation: Wife Spouses's Name: Fredrick Gender: Female Where born: Carlisle, Cumberland, England Civil parish: Abbey Street County/Island: Cumberland Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district: Carlisle Sub-registration district: St Mary ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 183 Household Members: Name Age Fredrick Gardner 40 Longtown, Cumberland, England abt 1811 George Gardner 1 Carlisle, Cumberland, England Mary Gardner 30 Carlisle, Cumberland, England abt 1821 Pen x

1901 for my ref Name: Jane A Thompson Age: 51 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850 Relation: Wife Spouses's Name: Robert Gender: Female Where born: Whitby, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Bishop Auckland Ecclesiastical parish: Auckland St Peter Town: Bishop Auckland County/Island: Durham Country: England Registration district: Auckland Sub-registration district: Bishop Auckland ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 119 Household Members: Name Age Chas Ellsbury 17 Bishop Auckland, Durham, England abt 1884 stepson Chistina Ellsbury 11 Bishop Auckland, Durham, England abt 1890 stepdaughter Jane Ellsbury 16 Bishop Auckland, Durham, England abt 1885 stepdaughter Maude Ellsbury 12 Bishop Auckland, Durham, England abt 1889 stepdaughter Robert Ellsbury 14 Bishop Auckland, Durham, England abt 1887 stepson Fred Thompson 12 Hannah Thompson 15 Jane A Thompson 51 Lizzie Thompson 9 Robert Thompson 47 Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4643; Folio: 147; Page: 20. *************************** 1891 Name: Jane A Thompson Age: 41 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850 Relation: Wife Spouses's Name: Robert Gender: Female Where Born: Whitby, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Bishop Auckland Ecclesiastical parish: Auckland St Andrews Town: Bishop Auckland County/Island: Durham Country: England Registration district: Auckland Sub registration district: Bishop Auckland ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Emily Thompson 12 Bishop Auckland, Durham, England abt 1879 Frederick Thompson 2/12 Bishop Auckland, Durham, England abt 1891 Hannah Thompson 5/12 Bishop Auckland, Durham, England abt 1890 Jane A Thompson 41 Whitby, Yorkshire, England abt 1850 Meggie Thompson 10 Robert Thompson 38 Bishop Auckland, Durham, England Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 4067; Folio 60; Page 25; GSU roll: 6099177. But where are the step children ? ****************************************** 1881 1871 ****************************************************** 1851 Name: Jane Ann Graham Age: 1 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850 Relation: Daughter Mother's name: Alice Gender: Female Where born: Whitby, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Whitby Ecclesiastical parish: Baxtergate Town: Whitby County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Whitby Sub-registration district: Egton ED, institution, or vessel: 2i Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 108 Household Members: Name Age Alice Graham 27 abt 1824 Whitby, Yorkshire, England Head Alice Graham Graham 3 abt 1848 Whitby, Yorkshire, England Daughter Jane Ann Graham 1 abt 1850 Whitby, Yorkshire, England Daughter Sarah Margaret Graham 6 abt 1845 Whitby, Yorkshire, England Daughter ***************************************************** 1861 Name: Jane Ann Graham Age: 11 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850 Relation: Daughter Father's name: James Mother's name: Alice Gender: Female Where born: Whitby, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Stranton County/Island: Durham Country: England Registration district: Hartlepool Sub-registration district: Hartlepool ED, institution, or vessel: 32f Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 148 Household Members: Name Age Alice Graham 38 abt 1823 Whitby, Yorkshire, England Wife Alice Graham 13 abt 1848 Whitby, Yorkshire, England Daughter Christina Graham 6 abt 1855 Whitby, Yorkshire, England Daughter James Graham 39 abt 1822 Whitby, Yorkshire, England Head James Graham 2 abt 1859 West Hartlepool, Durham, England Son Jane Ann Graham 11 abt 1850 Whitby, Yorkshire, England Daughter Sarah M Graham 16 abt 1845 Whitby, Yorkshire, England Daughter Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 3704; Folio: 45; Page: 23; GSU roll: 543175. ****************************************************** Her parents and sister on the 1871 - now living in Durham Name: Alice Graham Age: 49 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822 Relation: Wife Spouses's Name: James Gender: Female Where born: Whitby, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Stranton Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch Town: West Hartlepool County/Island: Durham Country: England Registration district: Hartlepool Sub-registration district: Hartlepool ED, institution, or vessel: 25 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 178 Household Members: Name Age Alice Graham 49 Christiana Graham 16 James Graham 49 Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 4918; Folio: 40; Page: 33; GSU roll: 848015.

CONTINUED - Alistair *************************************** 1881 found this - Do we have ANY ideas of the grooms names? She has a dughter Meggie - name rings a bell - also birthplace fits and she's in the right area of Durham Name: Jane Ann Simpson Age: 31 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850 Relation: Wife Spouses's Name: William Gender: Female Where Born: Whitby, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Bishop Auckland County/Island: Durham Country: England Street address: 12 Batts Row Condition as to marriage: Married Education: Registration district: Auckland Sub registration district: Bishop Auckland ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Household Members: Name Age Alice Simpson 11 abt 1870 Sunderland, Durham, England Daughter George Simpson 13 abt 1868 Sunderland, Durham, England Son James Simpson 3 abt 1878 High Etherley, Durham, England Son Jane Ann Simpson 31 abt 1850 Whitby, Yorkshire, England Wife Meggy Simpson 7 abt 1874 Sunderland, Durham, England Daughter Thomas Simpson 4 abt 1877 Quebec Lanchester, Durham, England Son William Simpson 42 abt 1839 Durham, Durham, England Head Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 4913; Folio: 113; Page: 24; Line: ; GSU roll: 1342182. Gosh this IS a tricky one......lol I have now found this marriage * View Record Jane Elizabeth Atkinson 1884 Apr-May-Jun Auckland Durham View Record Richard Cooper Bailey 1884 Apr-May-Jun Auckland Durham *View Record Charles Elsbury 1884 Apr-May-Jun Auckland Durham *View Record Jane Ann Simpson 1884 Apr-May-Jun Auckland Durham ******************************************************** I think that the only way to confirm all this is to purchase the marriage cert to Thompson. Pen x 1881 POSIIBLE for Charles Elsbury Name: Charles Elsbury Age: 36 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845 Relation: Son Father's name: George Mother's name: Jane Gender: Male Where Born: Wylam, Northumberland, England Civil parish: Bishop Auckland County/Island: Durham Country: England Street address: Finkle Street Condition as to marriage: Widow Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Coal Miner Registration district: Auckland Sub registration district: Bishop Auckland ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Charles Elsbury 36 George Elsbury 82 Jane Elsbury 70 Margaret Robson 8

Marna Sexsmith 1901 Name: George William Savage Age: 13 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888 Relation: Son Father's name: Samuel George Mother's name: Alice Maud Gender: Male Where born: Norwich, Norfolk, England Civil parish: Norwich Ecclesiastical parish: Heigham Holy Trinity Town: Heigham County/Island: Norfolk Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Norwich Sub-registration district: West Wymer ED, institution, or vessel: 24 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 194 Household Members: Name Age Alice Savage 17 abt 1884 Norwich, Norfolk, England Daughter Alice Maud Savage 39 abt 1862 Loddon, Norfolk, England Wife Annie Savage 4 abt 1897 Norwich, Norfolk, England Daughter Clara Eveline Savage 2 abt 1899 Norwich, Norfolk, England Daughter Emma Savage 6 abt 1895 Norwich, Norfolk, England Daughter George William Savage 13 abt 1888 Norwich, Norfolk, England Son Hilda Kate Savage 8 abt 1893 Norwich, Norfolk, England Daughter Lucy Clara Savage 12 abt 1889 Norwich, Norfolk, England Daughter Robert Savage 10 abt 1891 Norwich, Norfolk, England Son Samuel George Savage 41 abt 1860 Cawston, Norfolk, England Head Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 1845; Folio: 62; Page: 27. Have looked at the image - Address - 29 Salford Street Occupation of head of house - Corporation labourer - Road Lab Occupation of Alice Maud - coat machinist Occupation of young Alice - can not quite make it out ????puller Occupation of George William - newsboy - Hawk Pen x

Name: George Abrahams* Walker Year of Registration: 1893 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: St Olave Southwark County: London, Surrey Volume: 1d Page: 281 (click to see others on page) ***************************************************** 1901 Name: Louisa H Berry Age: 8 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Joseph H Mother's name: Ann E Gender: Female Where born: Woolwich, Kent, England Civil parish: Plumstead Ecclesiastical parish: St Nicholas County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Woolwich Sub-registration district: Plumstead East ED, institution, or vessel: 27 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 405 Household Members: Name Age Ann E Berry 33 abt 1868 Canada Wife Ann E Berry 10 abt 1891 Woolwich, Kent, England Daughter Daisy S E Berry 6 abt 1895 Woolwich, Kent, England Daughter Florence A Berry 2 8 months abt 1898 Woolwich, Kent, England Daughter Joseph H Berry 40 abt 1861 Gooport, Hampshire, England Head Louisa H Berry 8 abt 1893 Woolwich, Kent, England Daughter Martha H Berry 4 abt 1897 Woolwich, Kent, England Daughter Violet M A Berry 2 abt 1899 Woolwich, Kent, England Daughter Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 576; Folio: 154; Page: 65. -

1861 for my ref - Name: Robert Howarth Age: 46 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1815 Relation: Head Spouses's Name: Betty Gender: Male Where born: Bury, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Birmingham Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Birmingham Sub-registration district: Lady Wood ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 56 Household Members: Name Age Betty Howarth 50 abt 1811 Bradford, Yorkshire, England Wife Daniel Howarth 14 abt 1847 Birmingham Son John Howarth 15 abt 1846 Birmingham Son Mary Howarth 11 abt 1850 Wolverhampton Daughter Robert Howarth 46 abt 1815 Bury, Lancashire, England Head Robert Howarth 17 abt 1844 Birmingham Son Sarah Ann Howarth 19 abt 1842 Birmingham Daughter ***************************** 1851

Hi Penelope, I was wondering if you would be kind enough to have a look & try to find my Gr Gr Gr Grandparents please. Christian Angus was born 1808 in Stromness Orkney and Alexander McKenzie was born 1800C in Perth Scotland As far as I know they lived in Perth & had a daughter called Catherine McKenzie. I do not have Catherine's date of birth but somewhere around 1836 - 1839 I think.I'm sure they had more children but do not have the details. Can you find them on 1841 Scottish Census Penelope? Many thanks for any help/advice Katherine

Pen Thanks a lot for the work done... the question of where the the Ellsbury children are in 1891 is interesting....Jane Ann Ellsbury married Robert Thompson in 1890 (also the year Christina Ellsbury is born) and the children from her marriage to Charles in 1884 are not living with her new husband in 1891 yet are resident by 1901... any info on Charles Elsbury after 1890 would be appreciated...as would any info prior to 1845 when Charles was born in Wylam to father George and mother Jane it has long been thought in the family that the original descendants were Elsbury with a single 'l' yet within a year of marriage Jane Ann is born and given a double 'l' suffix... and again any info on the children of the marriage would be gratefully received...

Hi Penelope, Would you be kind enough to do a lookup on the 1841 Scottish census for me? I'm looking for William Gowrie Heron, born c1826, parents William and Elspeth. The family should be in the Angus area, near Dundee or Forfar (William is down as being born in Airlie and Monikie in some other records). Thanks very much in advance. Katharina

Katherine Sorry Katherine - have tried searching with all 3 names and no joy. There are McKenzies in Blair Athol - Perthshire - but none with those names. Pen x