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ok kath no worries, mystery isnt it. jo x

Hi Jo I have checked Coulstock Marriages from 1979-1983 and still no joy mate Kath x

hi ancestral, thanx for info. yes wendy did marry again to a winfield in 1977 dont know if married again, your wendy may well be her aswell. thanx joanne

kath, just seen your reply to me on my thread, thanx so much for finding out more info wow i have so many aunts and uncles and whilst reading and writing your info down it occured to me they cant be to far away as im in enfield, who knows may of walked past them, il have to search there addresses up. as for my nan i dont think she died or if she did then maybe she got married again coz proving very difficult to find a death for her isnt it. tahnx again so much kath. joanne xx

another line of inquiry Are you able to get any information from Wendy? Did she marry again? I have found this entry 1974 Q2 COULSTOCK Wendy - SHATIE Ealing 12 0314 cross checked to find Groom's name Christopher J continuing to check 1975-1983 for any other Wendy Coulstock marriage in morning goodnight

Jo I have checked up to 1960 and there are No Coulstock/Herbert Births after 1952 Have checked Marriages from 1953 -1977 no joy but i did find this Frederick W Coulstock M. 1957 J-M Croydon 5g 259 Gwendoline E Cornwell Now is this your grandad? His 2nd Marriage maybe? if so it leads me to believe that if Gertrude died it must have been between 1952-1957 or she re-married.. Children from the Coulstock/Cornwell marriage Anthony N Coulstock 1957 A-J Ashford 5b 40 Steven Coulstock 1959 A-J Edmonton 5e 498 Raymond Coulstock 1961 A-J Edmonton 5e 559 Dawn Coulstock 1963 J-M Edmonton 5e 575 David Coulstock 1965 A-J Enfield 5* 194

janice, the birth for paul i havent got from all the kind people that have helped but my mum said she thinks my dad ha a brother called paul!!! is that him i wonder? but still no trace of her death, my mum says she died after child birth!!! im so confused. me and kath have both found a death for a gertrude patricia biggs born in 1920 maybe thats my nan and she got married again and died in 1993 it says. jo

Hi Joanne Forgot to give you this which I also saw whilst looking for Gertrude. Frederick William Coulstock Death registered June Quarter 1971 in Enfield. Gives his date of birth as December 4th 1919. REF: 5b 482 Janice x

Hi Joanne Well I have checked every quarter for every year from 1949 through to 1983 for Death of Gertrude Patricia Coulstock and No Record. I have 1837 channel which lists all births, marriages & deaths and she does not show on deaths under that name, which seeing as she was married to Mr Coulstock it should have been the name she was registered under. Two Gertrude's did show 1 was Gertrude A in Tunbridge who was 83 years, and the other was Gertrude M in Sutton ans hse was 81, so not them. Two infant deaths showed 1 in Tonbridge registered in March Quarter 1951, named Alan R Coulstock. Age at death 0. REF: 5b 1347 One in Poole, March Quarter 1954 Paul Coulstock. REF:6a 593. Also checked 1984 to 2004 for death of Gertrude and she is not on that either. Checked electoral roll in case she showed up alive somewhere, and sorry no not there either. I guess she is remarried. So you need that name to trace her. If you get to know it would be nice if you posted the result so we can rest content. Janice

cheers brenda your a diamond jo x

kath, its all a mystery isnt it, its strange how she goes about using her name, i dont understand it and using the name atkin for my dads birth and atkin isnt the dad, purgery sure does run in my family i should know coz my mum has put my step dad on my birth. wrong isnt it. jo

brenda yes he did marry again to wendy in 1972 and died shortly after.

janice, hmmmmm maybe she is alive still, i wont believe everything im told by my mum coz she has lied a few times now about my dad, think its a case of dont want to bring up the past. joanne

Gertrude Patricia Herbert M. 1939 A-J Ware 3a 3051 George Atkin Gertrude P Atkin M.1949 O-D Ware 4b 399 Frederick W Coulstock Children of above marriages?? 1.Patrick G Atkin J-M 1941 Epping 4a 429 MMN = Herbert 2. Michael J Atkin J-M 1942 Ware 3a 1683 MMN = Herbert 3. Frederick T Coulstock 23/5/1943 Croydon - 1973 MMN = Herbert 4.Rosaline P Coulstock J-S 1944 Lambeth 1d 115 MMN = Herbert 5.Rita S Coulstock O-D 1945 Tonbridge 2a 1807a MMN = Herbert 6.Sally Coulstock O-D 1945 Tonbridge 2a 1807 MMN = Herbert 7. Jacqueline E Coulstock 1948 A-J Hertford 4b 171 MMN = Herbert 8. Colin A Coulstock 1949 J-S B.Stortford 4b 21 MMN = Herbert 9. Jennifer M Coulstock 1950 O-D B.Stortford 4b 37 MMN = Herbert 10.Robert A Coulstock O-D 1952 Basford 3c 31 MMN = Herbert why is your father born before your Grandparents married? why is she using maiden name of Herbert and not Atkin?? Jo these are just notes for me so don't have to keep writing on bits of paper, i am just thinking aloud mate Kath x

At least from Janice's reply we now know that Gertrude did eventually marry Frederick William Coulstock, so that should be the name she died with (if she didn't marry a third time). I'm off to bed now. Will come back to this tomorrow so see how it's going. Been on this site nearly all day!!!!!!! Kath. x

Joanne's father was born to Frederick William Coulthard even though his mother was still married to Mr. Atkin at the time. Your maiden name is always your maiden name (if you mean on the birth certificate). Kath. x

Janice I am already looking for another marriage so don't do that hun lol don't want to go over the same ground twice do we ;) Kath

helen, its my grandad iv just found out that was registered in enfield, lol its confusing isnt it coz my dad and grandad are both frederick coulstocks. jo

Gertrude Patricia Herbert registered in Ware. Mothers name Smith. Registered March Quarter 1920. REF: 3a 1771 Gertrude P Herbert marriage to George Atkin. District Ware. June Quarter 1939. REF:3a 3051 Gertrude P Herbert/Atkin marriage to Frederick W Coulstock District Ware. December Quarter 1949. REF: 4b 399 Seems odd everything registered under Gertrude Patricia or Gertrude P for above documents. Cannot see why she does not show on deaths. Have you thought she may still be alive? Would be 86 now. Will see if I can find death or remarriage. Janice

Joanne If your father's death was in Welwyn Garden City and the coroner was in Hitchin, his death wouldn't be registered in Enfield. nell