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Hetty right, decided to work backwards to look for William, to find what Hetty is called, but to do this have to find brother George 1st............ so assume you already have this 1 : 1881 Annie Turner Bromley, Middlesex, England Daughter Bromley St Leonard London Catherine Turner abt 1858 St George East, Middlesex, England Wife Bromley St Leonard London George Turner abt 1854 Yeldham, Essex, England Head Bromley St Leonard London CARMAN George Turner abt 1880 Mile End, Middlesex, England Son Bromley St Leonard London 1891 - FINALLY !! Annie G Turner abt 1881 Bromley, Middlesex, England Daughter West Ham Essex Arthur C Turner abt 1880 Upton, Essex, England Son West Ham Essex Catherine G Turner abt 1860 St George in the East, Middlesex, England Wife West Ham Essex Florence H Turner abt 1888 Upton, Essex, England Daughter West Ham Essex George Turner abt 1858 Parish Yeldham, Essex, England Head West Ham Essex George F Turner abt 1880 Mile End, Middlesex, England Son West Ham Essex Harriett M Turner abt 1883 Bromley, Middlesex, England Daughter West Ham Essex although Georges occupation is now piano forte wire maker !! good possibility for 1861, but no William yet :o(( Enna Turner abt 1858 Little Yeldham, Essex, England Daughter Little Yeldham Essex **George Turner abt 1854 Little Yeldham, Essex, England Son Little Yeldham Essex Jane Turner abt 1846 Little Yeldham, Essex, England Daughter Little Yeldham Essex Joseph Turner abt 1844 Little Yeldham, Essex, England Son Little Yeldham Essex Mary Ann Turner abt 1818 Great Bradley, Suffolk, England Wife Little Yeldham Essex Rhoda Turner abt 1848 Little Yeldham, Essex, England Daughter Little Yeldham Essex William Turner abt 1812 Little Yeldham, Essex, England Head Little Yeldham Essex still working on it....... 1851 Ann Turner abt 1817 Great Bradley, Suffolk, England Wife Little Yeldham Essex Charles Turner abt 1841 Little Yeldham, Essex, England Son Little Yeldham Essex Ellen Turner abt 1842 Little Yeldham, Essex, England Daughter Little Yeldham Essex Jane Turner abt 1846 Little Yeldham, Essex, England Daughter Little Yeldham Essex Joseph Turner abt 1844 Little Yeldham, Essex, England Son Little Yeldham Essex Rhoda Turner abt 1848 Little Yeldham, Essex, England Daughter Little Yeldham Essex William Turner abt 1812 Little Yeldham, Essex, England Head Little Yeldham Essex still no William ........ think only option is 1871 now !!! they are avoiding me ------- but going to have to pick it up again tomorrow now....... they are beginning to merge on the screen now, lol

Thanks Jane...making you work hard aren't I.... My cousin did say that the family came from Somerset originaly.. Two Turner brothers married two sisters from Wales...I do not know if this is true. I can not find anything that fits all this and if it is true do not know what year it would be... will look in from time to time to check in case you find anything... thanks again.....night Hetty

Hetty, not none of them 3 then, occupations nothing like !! will keep looking....................... Jane

Jane thanks so much for your help. its such a headache...too many Turners to choose from and so little to go on... The marriage certificate says 1898 Hetty Turner..17.. married George Turner..19..[cousins]...in Marylebone. Hetty Turner's father is William a Cabwasher George Turner's father is George a Cabman..[deceased]...the father's were brothers. how confusing is that...hope it makes sense to you. sorry Im so slow getting back to you. ..thanks Hetty

Hi Hetty there are these........ 1891 England Census Record Census View Image Name: Harriet Turner Father: William Birth: abt 1879 - Poplar, London, England Residence: 1891 - London, Poplar, London, England 1891 England Census Record Census View Image Name: Harriet Turner Father: William Birth: abt 1883 - St Luke, London, England Residence: 1891 - London, Shoreditch, London, England 1891 England Census Record Census View Image Name: Harriett Turner Father: William Birth: abt 1879 - Marylebone, London, England Residence: 1891 - St Marylebone, London, England does William give an occupation on her marriage certificate, that might narrow it down a bit more............

Jane ...my nan was born about 1881 she was 17 in 1898 according to her marriage certificate...so these wouldn't be right. I found Ettie and George on the 1901 in Sussex...think that it could be them...it says born in London Middlesex.I always thought that her name was just Hetty but grandad always called her Ett...could be even Harriet... I found a Harriet age 3 months on 1881 in Marylebone...seems to fit but still not sure...all a bit iffy....would you mind getting the info for her on 1891...just to check...thanks Sorry to take so long answering.I was off looking and didn't think that you would reply so soon. Thanks again for all your help Hetty

Hetty is this the one you have from 1901?? 1901 England Census Record Census View Image Name: Ettie Turner Father: William P Birth: abt 1885 - Stepney, London, England Residence: 1901 - Leyton, Essex, England if so this would be her in 1891, but age is slightly out on both of them.......... 1891 England Census Record Census View Image Name: Ettie Turner Father: William P Birth: abt 1885 - Stepney, London, England Residence: 1891 - Mile End Old Town, London, England

oh dear Jane I haven't a clue...there are so many George Turners. it may be one of the earlier ones listed though. and Hetty Turner's father is definately William and not Frederick because I have it on a marriage certificate. I found her on the 1901 census under the name of Ettie Turner. can you see if its Ettie on the 1891 census please.....would be in London. Thankyou very much for your all your help. Hetty

Hi Mike, here you are:: 1871 39 East st Alfred W Barrett abt 1865 Sittingbourne, Kent, England Grandson Sittingbourne Kent Emma J Barrett abt 1862 Sittingbourne, Kent, England Granddaughter Sittingbourne Kent Fanny Barrett abt 1842 Faversham, Kent, England Daughter-in-law Sittingbourne Kent Mary A Barrett abt 1793 Marden, Kent, England Head Sittingbourne Kent WIDOW / COW KEEPER Mary A Barrett abt 1864 Sittingbourne, Kent, England Granddaughter Sittingbourne Kent Walter Barrett abt 1840 Sittingbourne, Kent, England Son Sittingbourne Kent AG LAB Harriett Barrett abt 1847 Sittingbourne, Kent, England Granddaughter Sittingbourne Kent Jessie Barrett abt 1869 Sittingbourne, Kent, England Granddaughter Sittingbourne Kent Jane

Many many thanks Jane, you are a star. Fern -x-.

Hi Fern, heres the extra details for you: Ann Dalley abt 1804 Shoreham, Kent, England Wife Eynsford Kent David Dalley abt 1795 Eynsford, Kent, England Head Eynsford Kent AG LAB David Dalley abt 1826 Shoreham, Kent, England Son Eynsford Kent Eliza Dalley abt 1831 Eynsford, Kent, England Daughter Eynsford Kent Thomas Dalley abt 1839 Eynsford, Kent, England Son Eynsford Kent address looks like Mile House on Mile Lane

Hi Esther, look how many Georges there are with a father named George !!!! 1891 George Turner (George,Susanah) abt 1880 Ealing, Middlesex, England Son Ealing Middlesex George Turner (George,Sarah) abt 1881 Ealing, Middlesex, England Son Ealing Middlesex George Turner (George,Jane) abt 1879 Hendon, Middlesex, England Son Hendon Middlesex George Turner (George,Sarah) abt 1881 Highbury, Middlesex, England Son Tottenham Middlesex George Turner (George,Elizabeth) abt 1876 Southgate, Middlesex, England Son Edmonton Middlesex George Turner (George,Eliza) abt 1883 Bow, Middlesex, England Son Bromley London George Turner (George B,Emma) abt 1883 Hamsth, Middlesex, England Son Hammersmith London George F Turner (George,Catherine G) abt 1880 Mile End, Middlesex, England Son West Ham Essex George Turner (George,Alice) abt 1884 Brentford, Middlesex, England Son Hammersmith London George E Turner (George,Maria H) abt 1885 Tottenham, Middlesex, England Son Tottenham Middlesex George Turner (George,Caroline) abt 1886 Enfield, Middlesex, England Son Enfield Middlesex George Turner (George,Ellen) abt 1887 Enfield, Middlesex, England Son Enfield Middlesex Geo Turner (George,Mary) abt 1880 Islington, London, England Son St George Hanover Square London and this is the only Hetty - but fathers name is Frederick !! Hetty Turner (Frederick,Sarah) abt 1882 Clerkenwell, London, England Daughter St Andrew Holborn above the Bars and St George the Martyr London Jane

Hi Jane, Can you please look up George Thomas Turner age about 12 years... born in London, Middlesex fathers name George Thomas... also Hetty Turner... about 10 years... fathers name ...William Turner.. .on the 1891 census ..London Middlesex Thankyou

Hi Jane, many many thanks. It is the correct Ann Russell (no. 6) and the correct no. 5. No. 2 not sure about yet and no. 1 if you could give me details of this one please: Eliza Dalley (parents = David & Ann) abt 1831 Eynsford, Kent, England Daughter Eynsford Kent Many thanks again. Best wishes, Fern -x-.

Hi Fern, glad someone is keeping me out of mischief, lol 1. take you pick - only ones in Kent Eliza R Dalley abt 1836 Rocheth, Kent, England Servant Rochester St Nicholas Kent Eliza Dalley (parents = David & Ann) abt 1831 Eynsford, Kent, England Daughter Eynsford Kent no Daleys either ! 2. again, no obvious ones, take your pick........ James Ralph (Thomas,Jane E) abt 1843 Hythe, Kent, England Son Hythe St Leonard Kent James Ralph abt 1842 Wickham, Kent, England Grandson Staple Kent James Ralph (Richard,Lydia) abt 1842 Tunbridge, Kent, England Son Tonbridge Kent James Ralph (Thomas) abt 1841 Staple, Kent, England Grandson Wingham Kent 3. no sign - even tried looking for Thomas & Susanna not doing very well here am i ????? 4. again, no sign :o( 5. is this the right one?? **Ann Russell abt 1843 Boughton, Kent, England Daughter Egerton Kent Elizabeth Russell abt 1841 Boughton, Kent, England Daughter Egerton Kent John Russell abt 1845 Boughton, Kent, England Son Egerton Kent Martha Russell abt 1819 Boughton, Kent, England Wife Egerton Kent Richard Russell abt 1818 Smarden, Kent, England Head Egerton Kent Robert Russell abt 1850 Egerton, Kent, England Son Egerton Kent 6. think ive finally got one, pmsl Charlotte Gilbert abt 1836 Kent, England Shadoxhurst Kent George Gilbert abt 1836 Kent, England Shadoxhurst Kent Harriott Gilbert abt 1811 Kent, England Shadoxhurst Kent Harriott Gilbert abt 1829 Kent, England Shadoxhurst Kent Mary Gilbert abt 1839 Kent, England Shadoxhurst Kent Richard Gilbert 1811 Kent, England Shadoxhurst Kent AG LAB Sarah Gilbert abt 1831 Kent, England Shadoxhurst Jane x

Hi Jan, long time no see.......... not sure if you're going to like me for this one, lol ready??? 1901 - Crackley Bank ( farm) ***Mary E Catchpole abt 1854 Sherriff Hales, Shropshire, England Sister Sherriff Hales Shropshire Sarah A Donegani abt 1872 Adbaston, Staffordshire, England Wife Sherriff Hales Shropshire William E Donegani abt 1899 Sherriff Hales, Shropshire, England Son Sherriff Hales Shropshire William H Donegani abt 1860 Sherriff Hales, Shropshire, England Head Sherriff Hales Shropshire FARMER Marys marital status is given as married !!! will have a look for Alfred though - nope no sign, even harder with no birthplace and age, lol do you have their marriage certificate? could search for Alfreds father if you have his name...... Jane x

Hi, many thanks for your kind offer. If wouldn't mind doing some lookups for me please. I have quite a few, should keep you going for a while, lol!! 1851 Census Elizabeth Dalley born 1841 in Farningham, Kent James D Ralph born 1843 in Eynsford, Kent Clara Goodwin born 1845 in Rochester, Kent (parents Thomas and Susannah Goodwin) Charles George Lion born 1846 Kent Ann Russell born 1845 in Boughton Blean (Canterbury), Kent 1841 Census Richard Gilbert born 1807 in Kent and his wife Harriet Gilbert born 1810 in Kent. Many many thanks, Fern -x-.

Hi Jane Hope you are well Have not been doing so much on the tree recently, but have now a query about a 1901 census entry. Please could you see if you could find Alfred Catchpole (??dob and place ob) married to Mary Elizabeth (nee Donegani, Sherrif Hales, Shropshire c1855) and married 1895 in Kidderminster. I would like to know if they had any children and if there are birth details of Alfred, occ etc Thank you Jan (in Loughborough)

Joan, no sign of them...... sorry. did you see my last post to you - it was never acknowledged !!!! Jx

Hi Jane, You said you could do 1841 for Scotland.Can you see if you can find James Inglis,wife Elizabeth Ross, in Midlothian,possibly Musselburgh or Glencorse.They would be 50 + and he might be an innkeeper. Many thanks, Joan