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Jane. I have been trying to study the information that you gave me yesterday ....the Turners on the 1891 census and I checked the address...5 Williams place on the Multimap and it gave Merthyr Tydfil in Wales...would his be correct?...or was there another Williams place in Marylebone ..does it say Wales on the 1891 census please .would help very much to know this. Thankyou Hetty

Matthew working backwards : 1901 - 15 Alpha rd Charles H Stone abt 1875 Lenham, Kent, England Son Deptford St Paul London Charles J L Stone abt 1881 Deptford, London, England Son Deptford St Paul London Dorothy G Stone abt 1897 Deptford, London, England Daughter Deptford St Paul London Ellis Stone abt 1853 Saxlingham, Norfolk, England Head Deptford St Paul London BRICKLYR Frank Stone abt 1880 Deptford, London, England Son Deptford St Paul London Jemima Stone abt 1865 Old Ford, London, England Wife Deptford St Paul London William P Stone abt 1877 Battersea, London, England Son Deptford St Paul London 1891- 19 Finch / French st Jane Neighbour abt 1831 Denham, Buckinghamshire, England Servant St Paul Deptford London Charles Stone abt 1876 Harrietsham, Kent, England Son St Paul Deptford London Charles Stone abt 1881 New Cross, Kent, England Son St Paul Deptford London Ellis Stone abt 1852 Saxlingham, Norfolk, England Head St Paul Deptford London WIDOW, BRICKLYR Frank Stone abt 1879 New Cross, Kent, England Son St Paul Deptford London William Stone abt 1878 Battersea, Surrey, England Son St Paul Deptford London 1881 - 3 Edward st. Caroline Stone abt 1845 Harrietsham, Kent, England Wife Deptford St Paul London Charles Stone New Cross, Kent, England Son Deptford St Paul London Charles H. Stone abt 1871 Sheerness, Kent, England Son Deptford St Paul London Ellis Stone abt 1847 Saxingham, Norfolk, England Head Deptford St Paul London BRICKLYR Frank Stone abt 1880 New Cross, Kent, England Son Deptford St Paul London Maria L. Stone abt 1870 Harrietsham, Kent, England Daughter Deptford St Paul London William P. Stone abt 1875 Harrietsham, Kent, England Son Deptford St Paul London William P. Stone abt 1877 London Battersea , London, Middlesex, England Son Deptford St Paul London 1871 - 21 Edward st, over stables Caroline Stone abt 1847 Harriestham, Kent, England Wife Minster Kent Ellias Stone abt 1848 Saxlingham, Norfolk, England Head Minster Kent GROOM Elliss J Stone abt 1871 Harriestham, Kent, England Son Minster Kent Maria L Stone abt 1870 Harriestham, Kent, England Daughter Minster Kent Marriages Sep 1869 -------------------------------- Stone Ellis James Maidstone 2a 866 TONG Caroline Tritton Maidstone 2a 866 Deaths Sep 1881 ---------------------------- STONE Caroline Tritton 36 Greenwich 1d 550 1861 Charles Stone abt 1854 Saxlingham, Norfolk, England Son Saxlingham Nethergate Norfolk Ellis Stone abt 1851 Saxlingham, Norfolk, England Son Saxlingham Nethergate Norfolk James Stone abt 1821 Saxlingham, Norfolk, England Head Saxlingham Nethergate Norfolk Maria Stone abt 1823 Banham, Norfolk, England Wife Saxlingham Nethergate Norfolk 1851 Ellis Stone abt 1850 Saxlingham, Norfolk, England Son Saxlingham Nethergate Norfolk Emma Stone abt 1849 Saxlingham, Norfolk, England Daughter Saxlingham Nethergate Norfolk James Stone abt 1821 Saxlingham Nethergate, Norfolk, England Head Saxlingham Nethergate Norfolk Maria Stone abt 1822 Banham, Norfolk, England Wife Saxlingham Nethergate Norfolk

just realised jane that margaret, joseph, john and william living with grandparents in 1841then jane and mary ann in 51 wonder what happened to their parents sharon

thanx very much jane at least i have her grandfathers name, just have to keep at it sharon

Sharon, am going to be the bearer of bad news i'm afraid............. 1851 ***Jane Burnett abt 1845 Seaton Slnice, Northumberland, England Granddaughter Hartley Northumberland John Burnett abt 1837 Seaton Slnice, Northumberland, England Grandson Hartley Northumberland Joseph Burnett abt 1835 Seaton Slnice, Northumberland, England Grandson Hartley Northumberland Margaret Burnett abt 1829 Seaton Slnice, Northumberland, England Granddaughter Hartley Northumberland Mary Ann Burnett abt 1850 Seaton Slnice, Northumberland, England Granddaughter Hartley Northumberland William Burnett abt 1776 Nafferton, Northumberland, England Head Hartley Northumberland William Burnett abt 1839 Seaton Slnice, Northumberland, England Grandson Hartley Northumberland no parents !!! so checked 1841, and think this is them Jane Burnett abt 1801 Northumberland, England Earsdon Northumberland John Burnett abt 1836 Northumberland, England Earsdon Northumberland Joseph Burnett abt 1834 Northumberland, England Earsdon Northumberland Margaret Burnett abt 1829 Northumberland, England Earsdon Northumberland Mary Burnett abt 1811 Northumberland, England Earsdon Northumberland Susan Burnett abt 1796 Earsdon Northumberland (NOT BRN IN CNTY) William Burnett abt 1776 Northumberland, England Earsdon Northumberland William Burnett abt 1826 Northumberland, England Earsdon Northumberland William Burnett abt 1840 Northumberland, England Earsdon Northumberland

Hi Kim, do you think this could be him?? 1901 Alice Parish abt 1865 Westminster, London, England Wife Fulham London Arthur James Parish abt 1859 Fulham, London, England Head Fulham London Arthur James Parish abt 1889 Fulham, London, England Son Fulham London Edward Harry Parish abt 1891 Fulham, London, England Son Fulham London ****Ernest Albert Parish abt 1887 Fulham, London, England Son Fulham London Samuel Parish abt 1894 Fulham, London, England Son Fulham London Sidney Parish abt 1900 Fulham, London, England Son Fulham London 1891 Alice Parish abt 1865 Westminster, Middlesex, England Wife Fulham London Annie Parish abt 1885 Fulham, Middlesex, England Daughter Fulham London Arthur Parish abt 1860 Fulham, Middlesex, England Head Fulham London Arthur J Parish abt 1889 Fulham, Middlesex, England Son Fulham London Edward H Parish abt 1891 Fulham, Middlesex, England Son Fulham London Elizabeth Parish abt 1874 Fulham, Middlesex, England Boarder Fulham London **Ernest A Parish abt 1887 Fulham, Middlesex, England Son Fulham London

hi jane, could you please try the 51 cesus for JANE BURNETT abt1843 HARTLEY, northumberland, her fathers name is not on her marr cert so the only way is to find her family in 51. thanx sharon

Paul, think i need a big hug after all that, lol i have everything crossed regarding your certs. pleeeeeeeeeaaaaseee let me know won't you??? with regards to Emma, did you notice she is a different age in both census's, in 1881 she was born in 1877, but in 1891 she was born in 1869.............!!! Jx

Hi Jane Could you possibley look on the 1891 or 1901 census please for an Albert Ernest Parish born roughly 1887 (adopted, no birth record found so far) in London. He would have been roughly 4 in 1891 and 14 in 1901. He died in 1940 aged 53 in the Willesden district. I'm sorry l have no info on who he was brought up by. Many thanks, Kim

Jane, - what do you think??? Oh my god, I think you have nailed it but it is bringing up more questions. I have a family tree written by a great aunt from 10 years ago which my mother gave me tonight. This great aunt got stuck on this part of the family and obviously gave up as all she has for this family is Father = John, Mother = Mary 1870 John Giles Young? 1873 Elizabeth Ann Young I therefore put this John Giles Young aside as i couldn't find him and then the marriage appeared after his birth however your 1881 Census shows 1881 ****Ann Young abt 1874 Risca, Monmouth, Wales Step Daughter Risca Monmouthshire Emma L. Young abt 1877 Risca, Monmouth, Wales Step Daughter Risca Monmouthshire John Young abt 1872 Risca, Monmouth, Wales Step Son Risca Monmouthshire So John Young could be John Giles Young and my Great Aunt hot his birth year wrong. I will know look him up and see if I cna get a match Emma L Young 1877 ? How does this work. John Young died in 1873 and Mary had remarried in 1875 so how comes this girl is down as a Young? Is Mary sleeping around, have we gone wrong somewhere or am I related to the divviest family possible :-) That 1875 marriage looks good. I will write to newport this week and get the girls there to check it for me. Thank you sooooooo much Ooooo Mary ? is down as possibly born in Somerset, England according to the 1891 Census so maybe I need to concentrate on 1851 and 1861 census there in order to find her as a child rather than checking the Wales censuses ???? Ooooo John Giles Young Jul-Sep 1871 Newport 11a Page 198 Amother one I can get Newport to check. Mmmm a death record too John Giles Young born 1871 died Oct-Dec 1891 Newport Vol 11a Page 211 Ok, that is three certificates I can order that may shed a bit more light or confusion on the proceedings. Great work Jane. You need a big hug !!!! Paul P.S I have a letter in the post this morning to newport asking for the marriage between Mary Young/John Woods + the Birth & Death of John Giles Young to see if that sheds any light. Will come back to you with some news

nooo Jane ...twas George[ sen] who deceased...and William may well have moved to East Grinstead with George and Hetty...couldn't they?..maybe.

ok then.. will do.. thankyou.. but Im going nite nites in a mo

Hetty i'm trying to find them in 1901 for you, just to see if Harriet is still with them, if she is you'll know its the wrong one as yours was married by then........................... so please watch this space, lol Jane update, can't find them YET, remembering that William is probably deceased by now ( if its the right family), but still can't get the others either

thanks Jane .. Im getting quite hopeful that this could be the right family.... now that I have found a son called William... I suppose there is still time for a daughter Rosamond to be born.. .but it could have been Hetty talking about her mother Rosamond that may have been misunderstood by my cousin.... anyway I think that this is the closest so far.... and could well be them...Im starting to feel encouraged Thanks very much Jane . Hetty

Hetty this is the family you are looking at in 1891 5 Williams place. Ada J Turner abt 1881 Marylebone, London, England Daughter St Marylebone London Edward W Turner abt 1875 Marylebone, London, England Son St Marylebone London Gertrude A Turner abt 1877 Marylebone, London, England Daughter St Marylebone London Harriett Turner abt 1879 Marylebone, London, England Daughter St Marylebone London Rosamond Turner abt 1853 Somerset, England Wife St Marylebone London William Turner abt 1851 Marylebone, London, England Head St Marylebone London LABOURER William F Turner abt 1883 Marylebone, London, England Son St Marylebone London

Jane... thankyou for that info..... I have just found a Turner family in London on the 1881 census. would you be so kind and find them on the 1891 as there is a Harriet....[I still can't find any Hetty's that fit]... this family are... William Turner... age 32 ....Horsekeeper ..born St Lukes Rosamond Turner age27.... born Somerset Edward age 4 ..born Marylebone Gertrude age 1 born Marylebone HARRIET age 3 months born Marylebone. 84 Boston place London Middx Now ...horses were used for the cabs ...Marylebone is where George and Hetty were married... and cousin said that there was a sister called Rosa or Rosamond and a brother called William and note the mother Rosamond was born in Somerset... .heres hoping...that Rosa and William are on the 1891 census thanks Jane Hetty

Hi again Hetty i always try FreeBMD first - its quicker, but unfortunately not complete yet, so if it shows up nothing on there i use Ancestry BMD's as they are free ( even if you don't subscribe), and 1837 charge per page viewed, so if you don't know dates etc, it can work out very expensive. hope it helps Jane

Hi Jane, Can you tell me please ...when you looked up George and Hetty Turner's birth...was it on BMD that you looked or the 1837 online? Which one is best do you think? Thanks Hetty

Paul, what do you think??? 1881 Charles Wood abt 1878 Risca, Monmouth, Wales Son Risca Monmouthshire John Wood abt 1852 Somerset, England Head Risca Monmouthshire Mary Wood abt 1849 Risca, Monmouth, Wales Wife Risca Monmouthshire ****Ann Young abt 1874 Risca, Monmouth, Wales Step Daughter Risca Monmouthshire Emma L. Young abt 1877 Risca, Monmouth, Wales Step Daughter Risca Monmouthshire John Young abt 1872 Risca, Monmouth, Wales Step Son Risca Monmouthshire 1891 guess what address------------ temperance Hill !!! so looks like your woman !!!! **Ann Wood abt 1874 Risca, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Risca Monmouthshire Charles Wood abt 1878 Risca, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Risca Monmouthshire Emma Wood abt 1869 Risca, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Risca Monmouthshire John Wood Mary 1853 Yeovil, Somerset, England Head Risca Monmouthshire John Wood abt 1872 Risca, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Risca Monmouthshire Mary Wood abt 1850 Somerset, England Wife Risca Monmouthshire ( on original, 3 eldest children are named Young not Wood!!) Marriages Dec 1875 ------------------------------- WOODS John Newport, M. 11a 368 YOUNG Mary Newport,M 11a 368 still working on it........ Jane

Hi Jane, Ha ha . . Thank you so much for trying. This is a nightmare and I am sure there is a reason for all this secrecy and fibbing Yes, I do have the marriage certificate of Elizabeth Ann Young. She married on 2nd September 1893 in Newport to Walter Henry Rhodes. Her residence is (Unclear writing) Temperance Hill, Risca or Kinperance Hill, Risca and father was John Young (deceased) who she has as a Brick Maker Journeyman His occupation may not have been correct because she would of found out the occupation from her Mother Mary who is coming across as a bit of a fibber. Paul