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Hi Jane, Have looked at info I have got from 1861 census and it looks like William Kay was born in Staleybridge, Lancashire. Hope this helps. Thanks for your previous search Michelle

Hi michelle have had a look for William b. 1837 in Bury with a father named George, and have looked for George b. 1790-1820 with a son named William but nothing i'm afraid........... with ANY surname do you know if William was born in Bury? as i'm thinking they are more likely to be living somewhere near his birthplace, 1841 is more harder as you can only search for where they are living not birthplaces...... thanks Jane

Hi Jane, Could you look in the 1841 Census for a George Kay in Bury Lancashire. Not sure of wifes name, but know he had a son called William born in 1837. I know its not a lot to go on, but any info would help, as I've come to a flying halt!!! cheers Michelle

O dear...think I will go and have a lie down... looking at it again though it must be the 1828 Edward who is Rosamonds father and Rosamond was born 1850/52...so I wasn't expecting to find her on 1841 but possibly on the 1851 so no Edward Trayes on 1851 then...ok .. thankyou for looking. Hetty

Hetty, can't find him in 1851 .............. married or unmarried not even sure if Rosamund would have been around in 1851 census are we??

Thanks Jane - that could be them. I wrote the date for Hannah's birth incorrectly - it was 1850 and she was Jane and Thomas's daughter but I can find no trace of her after that in a census or BMD. Thanks again Kate

Jane ..sorry...getting a bit muddled...yes I did mean the Edward Trayes born in 1855 as he was Rosamonds father....silly me of course he wouldnt have been born in 1841 would he. cousin also mentioned a gamekeeper.so I think that we are on the right track. Thankyou again then. Hettyx

Kate, is this them in 1861? Copely Bridge Jane Hymer abt 1836 Durham, England, Durham, England Wife Lynesack and Softly Durham Mary J Hymer abt 1860 Durham, England, Durham, England Daughter Lynesack and Softly Durham Thomas Hymer abt 1837 Durham, England, Durham, England Head Lynesack and Softly Durham BRICKYARD LABR not sure of the connection with Hannah....... is she Thomas' sister? could she be married in 1861?

Hi again Hetty am assuming you meant the Edward that was born in 1828 not 1855 as you posted.......... would be difficult for me to find him in 41 & 51 if he wasn't born until '55, pmsl. 1841 George Miles abt 1816 Somerset, England Cothelstone Somerset Edward Trays abt 1826 Somerset, England Cothelstone Somerset GAME KEEPER be right back with 1851............ hopefully, lol

Hi again Jane I have the following family in 1851 Thomas Hymer (may have an 's' on though I don't think so) c1831 St. Andrews Auckland Jane Hymer c1828 Weardale Hannah Hymer c1830 think birthplace was as Thomas - my notes have got rather confused, I've also got Wolsingham down. Living in Copley Lane, Lynesack and Softley, Durham I have looked for them in 1861 without success - certainly can't find Hannah nor a record of her death. Any help much appreciated. Thanks Kate

Hi Jane, Can you please look up.. [Rosamonds father].. Edward Trayes born 1855 Bedminster Somerset . on the 1841 and 1851 census, also can you tell me what trade he is in. Thankyou Hetty

Brian have tried everything i could think of, even tried looking for his sister Sarah that he is with in 1891, but can't match her parents up with a Croxton !! this is the closest i could get in 1871: Caroline T Fletcher ,abt 1854 Lancashire, England, Lancashire, England Daughter West Derby Lancashire ***Collier T Fletcher abt 1869 Lancashire, England, Lancashire, England Son West Derby Lancashire Elizabeth Fletcher abt 1826 Lancashire, England, Lancashire, England Wife West Derby Lancashire Jessie E Fletcher abt 1867 Lancashire, England, Lancashire, England Daughter West Derby Lancashire Mary W Fletcher abt 1860 Lancashire, England, Lancashire, England Daughter West Derby Lancashire Samuel T Fletcher ,abt 1864 Lancashire, England, Lancashire, England Son West Derby Lancashire Thomas Fletcher abt 1827 Lancashire, England, Lancashire, England Head West Derby Lancashire Thomas H Fletcher ,abt 1862 Lancashire, England, Lancashire, England Son West Derby Lancashire William T Fletcher ,abt 1859 Lancashire, England, Lancashire, England Son West Derby Lancashire Anne Jones abt 1848 Lancashire, England, Lancashire, England Servant West Derby Lancashire Mary Parkinson abt 1850 Lancashire, England, Lancashire, England Servant West Derby Lancashire Jane Ward abt 1852 Lancashire, England, Lancashire, England Servant West Derby Lancashire can't find any record of a Collier Fletcher so chance it could be your Croxton. other option is to buy Croxton's marriage certificate to get his fathers name & occupation, then we could look again. Jane

Hi Jane , The name Croxton is sometimes spelt as Croston , I don`t have his parents names i`m affraid , that`s what I was hoping for from the census. Regards Brian.

Thank you very much Susan

Hi Susan ok, 1891 - 12 Oliver ct Eliza Holden abt 1861 London, England, London, England Wife Bow London Henry Holden abt 1885 London, England, London, England Son Bow London John Holden abt 1857 Essex, England, Essex, England Head Bow London GEN LABR Mary A Holden ,abt 1879 London, England, London, England Daughter Bow London William Holden abt 1883 London, England, London, England Son Bow London Henry Pike abt 1876 London, England, London, England Lodger Bow London Henry Serwin abt 1873 London, England, London, England Lodger Bow London 1881 - 2 Olivers ct Eliza Holding abt 1859 Middlesex, England, Middlesex, England Wife Bow London John Holding abt 1858 Essex, England, Essex, England Head Bow London GEN LABR Mary A. Holding abt 1879 Middlesex, England, Middlesex, England Daughter Bow London Jane

Thanks for the offer, Could you please look in any census before 1901 for: Mary Ann Holden born 1879 in London and her parents John Holden born 1853 in Essex England and Eliza Holden born 1856 London England. thank you Susan

Jane thank you soooo much, this will certainly keep me out of mischief, good job OH is out tomorrow I will be able to get it all sorted hopefully, will leave you alone for now. Kind regards Wendy xx

Christine thanks, that helped, got him now, lol 1891 Christopher Cuningham abt 1869 Durham, England, Durham, England Boarder Southwick Durham BOILERSMITH Archibald Leach abt 1890 Durham, England, Durham, England Son Southwick Durham John Leach abt 1828 Durham, England, Durham, England Father Southwick Durham CARPENTER John G Leach 1864 Durham, England, Durham, England Head Southwick Durham BOILERSMITH Mary Leach abt 1869 Durham, England, Durham, England Wife Southwick Durham Jane

Wendy, its not greedy................ its keeping me out of mischief, lol! thought i might as well do all of them , pmsl so 1851 - victoria building Carlyle Tillotson abt 1822 Yorkshire, England Head Shipley Yorkshire IRON MOULDER Elisabeth Tillotson abt 1827 Yorkshire, England Wife Shipley Yorkshire John Tillotson abt 1850 Yorkshire, England Son Shipley Yorkshire Mary Ellen Tillotson abt 1848 Yorkshire, England Daughter Shipley Yorkshire Sarah Ann Tillotson abt 1843 Yorkshire, England Daughter Shipley Yorkshire Thomas Tillotson abt 1846 Yorkshire, England Son Shipley Yorkshire 1861 - 7 Kendall sq. Carlisle Tillotson abt 1825 Yorkshire, England, Yorkshire, England Head Idle Yorkshire IRON MOULDER Elizabeth Tillotson abt 1827 Yorkshire, England, Yorkshire, England Wife Idle Yorkshire George Tillotson abt 1857 Yorkshire, England, Yorkshire, England Son Idle Yorkshire Hannah Tillotson abt 1855 Yorkshire, England, Yorkshire, England Daughter Idle Yorkshire Jeremiah Tillotson abt 1853 Yorkshire, England, Yorkshire, England Son Idle Yorkshire Mary E Tillotson abt 1848 Yorkshire, England, Yorkshire, England Daughter Idle Yorkshire Ralph Tillotson abt 1859 Yorkshire, England, Yorkshire, England Son Idle Yorkshire Sarah Tillotson abt 1843 Yorkshire, England, Yorkshire, England Daughter Idle Yorkshire Thomas Tillotson abt 1847 Lancashire, England, Lancashire, England Son Idle Yorkshire 1871 - 5 Kendall sq Carlile Tillotson abt 1824 Yorkshire, England, Yorkshire, England Head Idle Yorkshire IRON MOULDER Charlotte Tillotson abt 1864 Yorkshire, England, Yorkshire, England Daughter Idle Yorkshire Elizabeth Tillotson abt 1828 Yorkshire, England, Yorkshire, England Wife Idle Yorkshire Elizabeth A Tillotson abt 1866 Yorkshire, England, Yorkshire, England Daughter Idle Yorkshire George Tillotson abt 1857 Yorkshire, England, Yorkshire, England Son Idle Yorkshire Hannah Tillotson ,abt 1855 Yorkshire, England, Yorkshire, England Daughter Idle Yorkshire Jeremiah Tillotson ,abt 1853 Yorkshire, England, Yorkshire, England Son Idle Yorkshire Ralph Tillotson ,abt 1859 Yorkshire, England, Yorkshire, England Son Idle Yorkshire ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 1851- Windhill Crag Ann Tillotson abt 1825 Yorkshire, England Wife Idle Yorkshire George Tillotson ,abt 1848 Yorkshire, England Son Idle Yorkshire Hannah Tillotson ,abt 1850 Yorkshire, England Daughter Idle Yorkshire Johnson Tillotson abt 1805 Yorkshire, England Head Idle Yorkshire SLUBBER OF WOOLLEN???? 1861 - 127 Briggate? Edwin Pitts abt 1840 Yorkshire, England, Yorkshire, England Lodger Idle Yorkshire Ann Tillotson abt 1825 Yorkshire, England, Yorkshire, England Wife Idle Yorkshire Farinsh(HAMISH?) Tillotson abt 1858 Yorkshire, England, Yorkshire, England Son Idle Yorkshire George Tillotson ,abt 1848 Yorkshire, England, Yorkshire, England Son Idle Yorkshire Hannah Tillotson ,abt 1850 Yorkshire, England, Yorkshire, England Daughter Idle Yorkshire Johnson Tillotson abt 1825 Yorkshire, England, Yorkshire, England Head Idle Yorkshire SLUBBER? Lavinia Tillotson abt 1855 Yorkshire, England, Yorkshire, England Daughter Idle Yorkshire 1871 - 37 Briggate Ann Tillotson abt 1829 Yorkshire, England, Yorkshire, England Wife Idle Yorkshire Farnish ( does look like it now!) Tillotson abt 1858 Yorkshire, England, Yorkshire, England Son Idle Yorkshire Grace A Tillotson ,abt 1867 Yorkshire, England, Yorkshire, England Daughter Idle Yorkshire Johnson Tillotson abt 1829 Yorkshire, England, Yorkshire, England Head Idle Yorkshire RAILWAY LABR Lavinia Tillotson ,abt 1854 Yorkshire, England, Yorkshire, England Daughter Idle Yorkshire 1891 2 ...... Cragg Johnson Tillitson abt 1826 Yorkshire, England, Yorkshire, England Head Idle Yorkshire BLACKSMITH Ann Tillitson abt 1827 Yorkshire, England, Yorkshire, England Wife Idle Yorkshire William F Tillitson abt 1858 Yorkshire, England, Yorkshire, England Son Idle Yorkshire next door, 1 ...... Cragg Annie Tillitson abt 1888 Yorkshire, England, Yorkshire, England Daughter Idle Yorkshire George Tillitson abt 1848 Yorkshire, England, Yorkshire, England Head Idle Yorkshire JOINER? George Arthur Tillitson abt 1880 Yorkshire, England, Yorkshire, England Son Idle Yorkshire Grace Tillitson abt 1877 Yorkshire, England, Yorkshire, England Daughter Idle Yorkshire Johnson Tillitson abt 1883 Yorkshire, England, Yorkshire, England Son Idle Yorkshire Martha H Tillitson abt 1847 Yorkshire, England, Yorkshire, England Wife Idle Yorkshire Mary Hannah Tillitson abt 1874 Yorkshire, England, Yorkshire, England Daughter Idle Yorkshire 1901 - 2 Crimshaw Ann Tillotson abt 1826 Yorkshire, England, Yorkshire, England Wife Shipley Yorkshire Farnish Tillotson abt 1859 Yorkshire, England, Yorkshire, England Son Shipley Yorkshire PAINTER Johnson Tillotson abt 1826 Yorkshire, England, Yorkshire, England Head Shipley Yorkshire BLACKSMITHS STRIKER Jane xxx

Jane could I be very greedy and ask you to find in the 1861 census, Carlisle Tillotson born 1823 and Johnson Tillotson born 1826 both Yorkshire. Many thanks. Wendy