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Jane, nah . . He was born, married and died in the newport area Maybe it's the top one? We have done soooo much work on this and I need to order these certificates. I have done so much and have pages and pages of notes and going through them now to make sure I send off for ALL the newport ones in one hit and ALL the Warminster ones in one hit and ALL the Wincanton ones in one hit (You get the idea, I am just reminding myself) Next week should be a harvest of results . . .

Paul you know i think you've cracked it..................... you always knew there was something fishy about the marriage details !!! theres a few options in 1851 for Frederick, but no Joseph as father though i'm afraid.......... Frederick Lewis( Thomas,Marth) abt 1845 Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Newport Monmouthshire father = mariner Frederick Lewis (William,Jane) abt 1847 Risca, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Risca Monmouthshire father = collier Frederick Lewis abt 1842 London, England Grandson St Woollos Monmouthshire grandfather = Ambrose Wild - retired pawnbroker or is there a chance he would be in England?? Jx

Jane, You know Mary Lewis marriage to John Young in 1871 made no sense at all i.e Marriage 12th June 1871 Newport Register Office John Young, 27 years Old, Colliery Labourer, Living in Risca, Father is John Young who is a Tailor. marries Mary Lewis, 23 years old, Living in Risca, Father is Joseph Lewis who is a deceased Farm Labourer Well, I will put lunch on the fact that Joseph Lewis, deceased farmer is actually the father of first husband Frederick James Lewis born 1847 and the reason why she put this is not because she was trying to hide the fact she was previously married but she didn't want to put the same as what John Young put Father = JOHN (Not Joel) YOUNG (A Tailor !!!!) and he is not marked as deceased adding further to the 1895 death in Wincanton Shivers OOoooooooooooo Have you found an 1851/1861 census for Frederick J Lewis. I bet his father is Joseph Lewis, Farmer Paul

Darrell here you are: 1901 - 1 Rosa Terr. Abbey walk Alice Thompson abt 1873 Elsworth, Cambridgeshire, England Wife Cambridge Cambridgeshire Benj R Thompson abt 1896 Cambridgeshire, England Son Cambridge Cambridgeshire Gertrude A Thompson ,abt 1898 Cambridgeshire, England Daughter Cambridge Cambridgeshire Robert Thompson abt 1872 Papworth St Agnes, Cambridgeshire, England Head Cambridge Cambridgeshire POLICE CONSTABLE

Can you give me the full household please on the 1901 census for the following fella Robert Thompson age 29 born Papworth St Agnes Cambridgeshire living in the civil parish of Cambridge and is a Police Constable

Hi Kevin 1891 - 9 Camden st Carvie B Tranter abt 1886 Cannock, Staffordshire, England Daughter Walsall Foreign Staffordshire Charles Tranter abt 1848 Uttoxeter, Staffordshire, England Head Walsall Foreign Staffordshire DRAPERS ASST Charles Tranter abt 1820 Uttoxeter, Staffordshire, England Father Walsall Foreign Staffordshire Charles H Tranter abt 1889 Walsall, Staffordshire, England Son Walsall Foreign Staffordshire Ellen B Tranter abt 1882 Walsall, Staffordshire, England Daughter Walsall Foreign Staffordshire Florence A Tranter abt 1884 Cannock, Staffordshire, England Daughter Walsall Foreign Staffordshire Hannah Tranter abt 1862 Bloxwich, Staffordshire, England Wife Walsall Foreign Staffordshire William E Tranter abt 1891 Walsall, Staffordshire, England Son Walsall Foreign Staffordshire 1901 - 39 COBDEN ST Anna Tranter abt 1862 Walsall, Staffordshire, England Wife Walsall Staffordshire Carrie B Tranter abt 1886 Cannock, Staffordshire, England Daughter Walsall Staffordshire Charles Tranter abt 1848 Uttoxeter, Staffordshire, England Head Walsall Staffordshire DRAPER Charles H Tranter abt 1889 Walsall, Staffordshire, England Son Walsall Staffordshire Ellen B Tranter abt 1882 Walsall, Staffordshire, England Daughter Walsall Staffordshire Florence A Tranter abt 1884 Cannock, Staffordshire, England Daughter Walsall Staffordshire Gertrude M Tranter abt 1894 Walsall, Staffordshire, England Daughter Walsall Staffordshire Meriam E Tranter abt 1896 Walsall, Staffordshire, England Daughter Walsall Staffordshire William E Tranter abt 1891 Walsall, Staffordshire, England Son Walsall Staffordshire 1901 - 3 ascot rd Albert Fieldhouse abt 1874 Walsall, Staffordshire, England Visitor Northfield Worcestershire Albert Marlow abt 1900 Walsall, Staffordshire, England Son Northfield Worcestershire Ernest S Marlow abt 1894 Walsall, Staffordshire, England Son Northfield Worcestershire Horace R Marlow abt 1897 Walsall, Staffordshire, England Son Northfield Worcestershire John J Marlow abt 1885 Walsall, Staffordshire, England Son Northfield Worcestershire Louisa Marlow abt 1865 Walsall, Staffordshire, England Wife Northfield Worcestershire Louisa Marlow abt 1891 Walsall, Staffordshire, England Daughter Northfield Worcestershire Richard Marlow abt 1862 Walsall, Staffordshire, England Head Northfield Worcestershire iron plate worker Thomas H Marlow abt 1887 Walsall, Staffordshire, England Son Northfield Wo 1891 - 32 regent st John Marlow abt 1885 Birchills Walsall, Staffordshire, England Son Walsall Foreign Staffordshire Louisa Marlow abt 1867 Pleck Walsall, Staffordshire, England Wife Walsall Foreign Staffordshire Lovisa Marlow abt 1891 Birchills Walsall, Staffordshire, England Daughter Walsall Foreign Staffordshire Richard Marlow abt 1865 Pleck Walsall, Staffordshire, England Head Walsall Foreign Staffordshire iron bucket maker Thomas Marlow abt 1887 Birchills Walsall, Staffordshire, England Son Walsall Foreign Staffordshire on original Louisa jnr age given as 2months Jane

PAUL Euuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh what have you got me involved in, ROFPMSL could be true though, OMG.......... will think some more and get back to you, *******shudders****** he he he Jx oh and nearly forgot.......... i don't do Davies' in Wales pmsl !! or Jones before you even think about it, lol

Hi Jane, Can you please find the families of my g/parents-in-law Charles Henry Tranter (b. late 1888) & Louisa Marlow (b. Jan 1891) in 1891 & 1901 censuses. Both lived in Walsall, then part of Staffs. Many thanks, Kev

Jane, Oh my god. I think i am going to be sick !!! Emma Mary Young/Terrell marries a Lewis and then in 1871, she marries a John Young 1847-ish from Wiltshire and they have two children . . . You gave me the 1871 census of William Twiner abt 1843 Herefordshire, England Head Risca ****John Young abt 1845 Wiltshire, England Lodger Risca Monmouthshire and that got me thinking . . Emma Mary Young has brother called John Young born in 1845 (living with Uncle John Giles) John Young dies in 1871 aged 30 and there is a coronary enquiry in to his death and they have put 'Natural Death caused by disease of the heart' Do you think Emma Mary Young & John Young are brother and sister and he topped himself after: 1) Finding out that he was knocking up his actual blood sister 2) Everyone else found outb in the village and gave him a ribbing Maybe the coroner did Mary a favour and put he died from a broken heart on the report in exchange for favours so there would not be an investigation I am feeling pretty horrible now but my Nan has been going on at me that their is a scandal where someone marries a relative like a Thomas marries a girl and her father is the step brother of Thomas brother or soemthing like that. Maybe its more hardcore and it is brother/sister confused by the family moving from pillar to post, country to country PMSL !!!

Jane, The first census you showed is spot on 1841 Somerset, High st. William Young abt 1791 Somerset, England Bruton Somerset AG LAB Mary Young abt 1791 Somerset, England Bruton Somerset Joel Young abt 1821 Somerset, England Bruton Somerset TAILOR Elizabeth Young abt 1828 Somerset, England Bruton Somerset Carloline Young abt 1831 Somerset, England Bruton Somerset as the 1842 Marriage Census shows Joel Young as a Tailor and Father William as a Gardener so that is perfect !!!! That means Bristol Boy is wrong and brings your Wincanton Death in 1895 right to the forefront . . . Heyyy ??? 1851 Unmarried !!!! Joel you naughty boy 1861 mmm undecided about his status . . Joel you naughty boy! 1871 married to Ann . . . toot toot <GASP> the sheffied connection. Good spot Jane <God my head is spinning> Wait a mo, Joel Young and a Ann Meaden get married (not neccessarily to each other) in Bath O-D 1864. The other marriage of Joel Young is in O-D 1851 where a Ann Dickens gets married in SHEFFIELD Are you telling me that Journeyman Tailor, Joel Young left his son with his step brother, his wife and two kids in a poor house, moved back home and registered himself as unmarried in the 1851 census. Went travelling again and ended up home with his parents in 1861 as not neccessarily married and then set up home with her in the late 1860's after a 1864 wedding ? Shocking !!!!! That doesn't bring Sheffield in to it though unless he married both! he marries Ann Dickens in Sheffield and spends a bit of time there, she dies and he head home for 1861 census, meets Ann Meaden and then they all go back up to Sheffield and she drops a sprog and then it is home time for 1871??/ Right, the iron is hot and I need to make a note of all these certificates I need to confirm this mishmash family and put it all to bed . . I will post my list later and you cna see if I missed anything out. Hey Jane, the good news is that my next family branch I need unrooting is the Davies family from Ystradgynlais, Wales so it will not get any easier :-) P.S I got the inspiration for your statuette as Close Encounters was playing on the DVD and I was eating Steak with melted Mozzerella, Aparagus and Mash Potato The statuette was made out of mash and although it did look good at first, it has now started to condense a little and the aparagus tips that were your eyes have disappeared. I have got some modelling clay so i will start from scratch :-)

Paul, wooo hooooo getting somewhere aren't we????? just going to re read that last lot, as have all these names & places whizzing round the empty space in my head, lol then will be right back............. sneaky.......... missing out names !!!! he he Jane ps love the idea of my statue, pmsl right i'm back............................. so firstly Joel Young. 1841 Somerset High st. Carloline Young abt 1831 Somerset, England Bruton Somerset Elizabeth Young abt 1828 Somerset, England Bruton Somerset Joel Young abt 1821 Somerset, England Bruton Somerset TAILOR Mary Young abt 1791 Somerset, England Bruton Somerset William Young abt 1791 Somerset, England Bruton Somerset AG LAB AND 1841 Bristol Joel Young abt 1821 Gloucestershire, England Temple Gloucestershire TOBACCONIST View Record Mary Young abt 1816 Gloucestershire, England Temple Gloucestershire View Record Selena Young abt 1839 Gloucestershire, England Temple Gloucestershire View Record Thomas Young abt 1840 Gloucestershire, England Temple Gloucestershire SO even though Bristol Joel is not with his father, he has the wrong occupation, and can't remember which of them had a wife Mary in later census's......... be back with others 1851 High st George Young abt 1825 Bruton, Somerset, England Son Bruton Somerset Joel Young abt 1821 Bruton, Somerset, England Son Bruton Somerset JNYMAN TAILOR UNMARRIED Mary Young abt 1788 Bruton, Somerset, England Wife Bruton Somerset Thomas Young abt 1815 Pitcombe, Somerset, England Lodger Bruton Somerset William Young abt 1788 Bruton, Somerset, England Head Bruton Somerset AG LABR 1861 High st Ann Young abt 1854 Bruton, Somerset, England Niece Bruton Somerset Joel Young abt 1819 Bruton, Somerset, England Son Bruton Somerset TAILOR no marital status given John Young abt 1853 Bruton, Somerset, England Grandson Bruton Somerset Mary Young abt 1789 Bruton, Somerset, England Wife Bruton Somerset William Young abt 1786 Bruton, Somerset, England Head Bruton Somerset AG LAB 1871 Mill lane Ann Young abt 1818 S Brewham, Somerset, England Wife Bruton Somerset Joel Young abt 1817 Bruton, Somerset, England Head Bruton Somerset TAILOR Charles S Meaden abt 1850 Sheffield Son-in-law Bruton Somerset notice the sheffield connection !!! 1881 Mill Lane Joseph Young abt 1817 Bruton, Somerset, England Lodger Bruton Somerset WIDOW / TAILOR 1891 High st Hospital Joel Young abt 1816 Bruton, Somerset, England Inmate Bruton Somerset WIDOW now, with Frederick Lewis, a bit more difficult, esp without birthplace, residence, age or parents name, lol bit of a more common name im afraid, he he so might need a nudge in the right direction on that one......... am i still being worshipped at my statuette???? Jx

Waheeeeeeeeeeeeey MARRIAGE O-D Newport 1866 Emma M Young Frederick J Lewis DEATH O-D Newport 1868 Frederick Lewis, Aged 21 This is who Emma Mary Terrell (Now we know she is a Young) marries to become a Lewis and then be a Widow for the 1871 Census Got it . . Can you feel that (Paul starts gyrating his hips like Ace Ventura) Ahhhhh 2 more Certificates to order . . . Oh and how about this for a good spot Terrell Births Alfred John Terrell, Newport O-D 1855 (We know about him) James William Terrell, Abergavenny A-J 1857 (and him) Ann Giles Terrell, Abergavenny A-J 1859 * Tom Giles Terrell, Newport, J-S 1861 * George Terrell, Newport, Sometime abt.1863 (an him) These are two children given the Mother's maiden name as a middle name. They fit beautifully in between child four and five and guess what . . . THEY DIED !!! Ann Giles Terrell, Newport O-D 1860 Tom Giles Terrell, Newport J-S 1861 That's another four certificates !!! Blimey, I might need to put these on my Christmas List if is gets any more successful Will order these beauties immediately . . The Girls in Newport love me as I write to them about one a month with requests. Jane, can you do me a big favour? Can you look up Frederick Lewis or Frederick J Lewis born about 1847 in the 1851/1861 census . . Mmm maybe I should get the marriage cert first as that will give you a Father's name Ok, I am off Thank you soooooooooo much We are rocking !!!!

Hi Jane, Ok, I got the marriage Certifcate today and it ties in with the IGI christening stuff that I got and the Census information you kindly got for me. 15th Sept 1842, Parish Church, Heytesbury Joel Young, 24 years old, A Tailor living in Heytesbury, Father ****** (See below) Young who is a Gardener marries Emma Giles, 21 years old, no occupation, living in Heytesbury, Father is William Giles who is a Saddler Now, the kind man at Warminster registry office (Mr Christopher Hatcher) checked a few possible J Young deaths in the Warminster area between 1842 - 1850 as I believe he died in order for John Terrell to take over and do his bit (since then you have stunned me with the Emma, Emma Mary & Arabella Young in a Workhouse in 1851 census so we know he died after this time) . . Anyway, Mr hatcher pointed out the Bristol Death too which was most generous but I don't know . . Now, there are three Joel Young marriages between 1840 - 1900, my Warminster one and the following two In O-D 1864 in Bath District 5C-1196, A Joel Young marries (possibly to an Ann Meaden) In O-D 1851 in Sheffield 22-659, A Joel Young marries (number of possible women) Now, Bath is VERY close to Bristol so if our man got married in 1842, had two children with Emma Giles then what happened in 1850? He doesn't die, could there be a divorce?? or did he run off and leave Emma Young + two children in the poorhouse for the 1851 census to re-emerge later? In the 1841 census, what is the name of Joel Young's father and cna you give their occupations? I have ****** it on purpose as I want you to say a name and me go Bingo or wrong one The Wincanton death looks really good too as that is close to Heytesbury and there are birth certs in Wincanton for Arabella Young in 1850 although my Emma Mary or Emma or Mary is definitely a Warminster birth, just many to choose from. I wonder what happened to them pre 1851 to end up in a workhouse??? Did the 1851 census say the name of the Workhouse? Was John Terrell also in the workhouse or working there? I have got to order more certificates as this is getting juicy. I can't believe that after all this, my Mary Young/Lewis/Terrell/Woods wasn't even a Terrell !! She was an Emma for a start and a Young/Lewis/Young/Woods and her mother Emma seems to had a share of bad luck too. Mmmm, I am going for birth certs of Emma/Mary Young and Arabella Young first as they will be easy and then i will go for Joel Young death cert but I dont really know anything that will support whether it's a good match . . . Is he a Tailor (50 years after his marriage), the children wont be with him or his wife so I cant use their names . . I have nothing to go on. Ahhh I have been looking for a Mary Terrell / Mr Lewis marriage between 1861-1871 but maybe mummy told her the truth the day before her wedding and she married as Emma/Mary Young? I will look again and I need to find Emma Giles/Young marriage to Mr John Terrell. Anyway, tell me what you think? Before I go to pay homage to my 'Jane from Loughborough' statuette that I have made in my livingroom, I want to tell everyone else on this messageboard that your family trees look so much easier than mine am I am so jealous! Never give up when you hit a stumbling block, keep looking and the answer will come

Thanks for your help Jane, at least i have a daughter now for WC Darrell

Paul are you still on your knees, pmsl ???? i've been looking into this Joel Young too, have you seen this? Deaths Jun 1895 ------------------------- Young Joel 79 Wincanton 5c 324 which would make him born about 1816, and there is a Joel Young in the census records, born 1816, Bruton, Somerset. in 1861 he is living with his parents but no marital status is given, in 1871 he is with wife Ann, and in 1891 he is an inmate in a hospital, status is widow. the Joels death that you found in Bristol...... well i have found him in 1861 - married to a Mary, and in 1841 with parents in Bristol, but no sign in 1851 , mmmmm bit of a deju vu feeling again lol, maybe 1851 is your jinx year, lol can't wait for that marriage certificate though now............. Jx

Gloria sorry, can't view that page with the ref no, and can't find them by searching by name either............... sorry.........:o(( Jane

Darrell 1891 42 Matilda st William Campbell abt 1874 Woolwich, Kent, England Nephew Islington London printer Ann Rhode abt 1829 Bathersea, Surrey, England Wife Islington London James Rhode abt 1831 Clerkenwell, London, England Head Islington London 1901 27 Huntingdon st Adeline Campbell abt 1876 Leicester, Leicestershire, England Wife Islington London Grace A Campbell abt 1899 Islington, London, England Daughter Islington London William H Campbell abt 1874 Woolwich, Kent, England Head Islington London printer compositor sorry, not the answer that you wanted was it?

looking for campbell family on 1881 1891 1901 census. I have a william campbell living with grandparents on the 1881 census but need him on the 1891 1901 in case he is with parents+siblings which would give me there details. William is aged 7 on the 1881 census and his birth place is given as woolwich,kent. I belive his mother would be Charlotte and his father John but this a educated guess based on a free bmd search based on his grandparents surname and the campbell surname Thanks Darrell

Hi Jane, Thanks very much. Trust me to be related to a Brown! I've had to think hard and long (very difficult at my age!), but I really need to get hold of details about - Semion Brown abt 1893 Nottinghamshire, England Son Nottingham Nottinghamshire - his life prior to his son etc.!! But thanks ever so much for your other info!!!!! Rita x

Hi again Jane, Re the LAW family for 1841. The info on the I have is:- Folio Ref HO/107/0715/F45 S&N file ref CD26 H_715.pdf p.118 Do not know if this will help. Thank you so much for all your hard work, Gloria