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Sandra 1841 Henry E Hyland abt 1836 Sussex, England Battle Sussex Mary A Hyland abt 1816 Sussex, England Battle Sussex Edgar Smith abt 1821 Sussex, England Battle Sussex Eleanor Smith abt 1791 Sussex, England Battle Sussex Francis Smith abt 1826 Sussex, England Battle Sussex George F Smith abt 1816 Sussex, England Battle Sussex James J Smith abt 1830 Sussex, England Battle Sussex am afraid i can't look up Charlotte in 1841 as Westall is not her maiden name, she was a widow in 1861 with 2 Westall children and Francis Smith as a boarder. if you can provide me with her maiden name i will look again for you Jane

Hello Jane Could you please look up for me in the 1861 and 1871 George Coxell c.1824 Surfleet, Lincs and his wife Maria c.1826, Newark, Notts. Thanks very much Anna

Hi Anna 1871 - Marsh Robert Baterly abt 1861 Lyme, Norfolk, England Lodger Spalding Lincolnshire Elizabeth Coxell abt 1858 Surfleet, Lincolnshire, England Daughter Spalding Lincolnshire Emma Coxell abt 1860 Surfleet, Lincolnshire, England Daughter Spalding Lincolnshire George Coxell abt 1824 Surfleet, Lincolnshire, England Head Spalding Lincolnshire AG LAB George Coxell abt 1862 Surfleet, Lincolnshire, England Son Spalding Lincolnshire John Coxell abt 1864 Spalding, Lincolnshire, England Son Spalding Lincolnshire Maria Coxell abt 1827 Newark, Nottinghamshire, England Wife Spalding Lincolnshire Mary A Coxell abt 1854 Surfleet, Lincolnshire, England Daughter Spalding Lincolnshire John Dilimore abt 1852 Kirton, Lincolnshire, England Lodger Spalding Lincolnshire George Madians abt 1850 Sheldiche, Kirton Lodger Spalding Lincolnshire Robert Rippin abt 1822 Moulton, Lincolnshire, England Lodger Spalding Lincolnshire Richard Row abt 1852 Eye, Cambridgeshire, England Lodger Spalding Lincolnshire 1861 - Marsh Elizabeth Cowell abt 1857 Surfleet, Lincolnshire, England Daughter Surfleet Lincolnshire Emma Cowell abt 1860 Surfleet, Lincolnshire, England Daughter Surfleet Lincolnshire Frances M Cowell abt 1853 Surfleet, Lincolnshire, England Daughter Surfleet Lincolnshire George Cowell abt 1824 Surfleet, Lincolnshire, England Head Surfleet Lincolnshire AG LAB Mary O Cowell abt 1855 Surfleet, Lincolnshire, England Daughter Surfleet Lincolnshire and it does say Coxell on original, George's status given as married....... also Marsh bank Maria Coxell abt 1832 Newark, Nottinghamshire, England Nurse Surfleet Lincolnshire if it helps there is a Charles Coxell next door to George! Charles Cowell abt 1800 Surfleet, Lincolnshire, England Head Surfleet Lincolnshire Henrietta Cossell abt 1802 Kirton, Lincolnshire, England Wife Surfleet Lincoln Sarah Brewster abt 1783 Fosdyke, Lincolnshire, England Mother-in-law Surfleet Lincolnshire and next door to them is another Coxell family !! Charles Cossell abt 1858 Surfleet, Lincolnshire, England Son Surfleet Lincolnshire Eliza Cossell abt 1854 Snetterton, Lincolnshire, England Daughter Surfleet Lincolnshire Ellen Cossell abt 1832 Gosberton, Lincolnshire, England Wife Surfleet Lincolnshire Henry Cossell abt 1829 Surfleet, Lincolnshire, England Head Surfleet Lincolnshire Sarah A Cossell abt 1860 Surfleet, Lincolnshire, England Daughter Surfleet Lincolnshire

Thanks very much Jane- you've managed to find 4 generations of Coxells- George and Henry were brothers, and their parents were Charles and Henrietta.

Hi Jane, Just an update really on some of the certs I have had delivered Frederick James Lewis, born 17 Jul 1847 in Risca, Mons Son of William & Jane Lewis (So your first census possibility was right) Married 31 Dec 1866 in newport Reg Office to Emma Mary Young. Interestingly, he either put his aged as 22 and not 19/20 and I think that is because he didn't have his parents permission to marry (You needed to be 21 or have parents permission) but his Father is spot on i.e William Lewis (Coalminer). Interestingly, Emma Mary Young opted to leave her Father's Details BLANK on the form either because she knew it was John Terrell but didn't know enough about her real dad to add anything or she was hiding something . . . Frederick J Lewis died aged 21 years 2 months 14 days from Typhoid Fever (5 weeks) on 01 Oct 1868 So that at least answers the Lewis/Young chapter Interestingly, Mr Thatcher at Warminster Reg Office and left a voicemail for me to say that my vague certificate request of Emma Young 1843 O-D (a few years earlier than I would guess) Arabella Young 1848 A-J have come up as a matching pair with both having the father JOHN YOUNG working as a TAILOR. Of course, we are expecting their Father to be Joel Young but read on and you will understand my hestitation Now normally, I would chuck this to one side but later, Emma Mary Young/Terrell/Lewis marries a John Young (wink wink) and he says his father is JOHN YOUNG, TAILOR Now, I have a couple of possible matches in Wincanton distrtict that are being checked now, If they come up with Father Joel Young then I will toss these to a side but if they don't we may have our two girls Now, there is one thing that bothers me . . . In 1871, John Young and Mary Lewis get married in the three month window between Census/Birth of first child. She has her father as Joseph Lewis (Deceased) Farm Labourer and she is down as being 23 years old (That's probably a guess) Can you find a 1861 census where a Joseph Lewis, Farm Labourer has a daughter called Mary approx 12-15 years old. I just want to see if there could be another match to this marriage Mary I have checked the 1881 census and I can't see a John & Mary Young together with similar birth years so I swear we have the right one, I just dont know why she has Joseph Lewis as her Father Paul

Jane I have have no other refernce points for Morris Cleaves and the birth record you have stated is my starting point (and end point at the moment). Regards Roy

Hi Jane Thank you very much for 1841 census on Francis Smith. Sorry do not know Charlotte's maiden name before she married Mr Westall. Can you please look up 1851 census for Francis H Smith born Battle, Sussex 1827c, mother Eleanor Smith born 1791 Battle. Thanks Sandra

Hi Paul thanks for the update, i must admit........... have never had to help anybody else with a family like this one, pmsl talk about a nightmare !!! how annoying she didn't name a father on this certificate...... would have probably been another name anyway, lol now i have looked for a Joseph Lewis with a 12-15 yrd old daughter Mary, and come up with nothing i'm afraid. interesting about the John Young saga...........looks like they were brother and sister then....... ****shudders**** am really glad you are keeping track of all these people, you lost me ages ago, lol Jane

Sandra 1851 Battle Lane? Henry E Hyland abt 1836 Battle, Sussex, England Grandson Battle Sussex Mary Ann Hyland abt 1813 Battle, Sussex, England Daughter Battle Sussex WIDOW Charlotte Smith abt 1826 Battle, Sussex, England Daughter Battle Sussex Edna (EDGAR) Smith abt 1819 Calafield, Sussex, England Son Battle Sussex Eleanor Smith abt 1789 Parshean, Sussex, England Head Battle Sussex WIDOW Frances H Smith abt 1826 Battle, Sussex, England Son Battle Sussex MILLER Jonhand (?) Smith abt 1835 Colsfield, Sussex, England Grandson Battle Sussex

Hi Jane, I need your help again I'm afraid . . I sent off for birth certificates for Arabella Young to both Warminster 1848 and Wincanton 1850 with a selection of possible Emma, Emma Mary and Mary Young births in that era. Warminster got back to me with a matching pair, Emma Young born 1841 (A year before the marriage of Joel Young & Emma Giles) and Arabella Young 1848 where their father is a JOHN Young, A Tailor. Now, I would of ruled this out but Warminster are dead sure they are sisters and later, John Young's marriage cert to Mary Lewis says his Father is John Young, A Tailor but then . . . Wincanton sent me a Birth Certificate for Arabella Young, 30th Jan 1850 Union Workshouse, Wincanton, Father Joel Young (A Tailor) Mother Emma Young, Formerlly Giles What I need you to do is look up an 1851 Census for John Young (A Tailor) With daughter Emma Young (9 or 10) Arabella Young (2 years old) I want to see if a second family exist, are there two Arabella's and one died before 1851 Thanks in advance Paul

Hi Jane Thank you for looking up 1851 census. Please would you look up 1861 census for Francis H Smith born Battle, Sussex abt 1826. Thank you Sandra

Paul another spanner in the works time....... are you sitting down??? 1851 - Little London Ann Ailes abt 1781 Sutton Veny, Wiltshire, England Mother-in-law Heytesbury Wiltshire Elizabeth Young abt 1847 Heytesbury, Wiltshire, England Daughter Heytesbury Wiltshire Emma Young abt 1842 Heytesbury, Wiltshire, England Daughter Heytesbury Wiltshire Isabella Young abt 1849 Heytesbury, Wiltshire, England Daughter Heytesbury Wiltshire James Young abt 1851 Heytesbury, Wiltshire, England Son Heytesbury Wiltshire John Young abt 1814 Burton, Somerset, England Head Heytesbury Wiltshire John Young abt 1844 Heytesbury, Wiltshire, England Son Heytesbury Wiltshire Mary A Young abt 1814 Heytesbury, Wiltshire, England Wife Heytesbury Wiltshire William Young abt 1840 Heytesbury, Wiltshire, England Son Heytesbury Wilts now....... i can hear you saying, thats it, she's lost the plot now, why has she sent me this??? well let me explain, lol John is a tailor, he has a 9yr old named Emma, and 2yr old Isabella actually says Arabella on the original !!!! BUT you'll never guess this................................................. Ann Ailes surname on the original is actually............ GILES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have a theory now you know......... i think John & Joel Young are brothers, and now believe that Emma Giles and the above Mary A. are sisters, and John that married Emma was her cousin, not brother as we suspected !!!! hope i've not made it even worse for you !!! Jane

Sandra 1861 Amy Lovegrove abt 1784 Sulhampstead, Berkshire, England Lodger Reading St Giles Berkshire Francis Smith abt 1826 Battle, Sussex, England Boarder Reading St Giles Berkshire Charlotte Westall abt 1824 Sonning, Oxfordshire, England Head Reading St Giles Berkshire George Westall abt 1849 Reading, Berkshire, England Son Reading St Giles Berkshire Jane Westall abt 1852 Reading, Berkshire, England Daughter Reading St Giles Berkshire

URRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH FARK <Posh Swearing . . Aloud> My Head !!!! Jane . . thanks soooo much for all this So, Ann Giles (The mother we thought dead as she appear in the 1841 census with her son John but then disappears) is alive and well lving with . . Mr Young/Miss Giles 1 of 2 Ahhh their first son is born 1840. Can you see if you can see a 1841 Census for the family as they start off? Keep you eyes open for a marriage cert too between John Young & Emma Giles as well as they may of got married between Sept 1837 and 1840. I am going to look now but incase I dont spot it Godddddddddd this is so complex !!!!

Hi, Do you think you could look up Charles Poulton and his wife Mary Ann Savery on the 1941 and 1961 census. On the 1971 census they are both down as aged 35 and born in Birmingham, Charles' occupation is a Retail Brewer. Any info to fill in the gaps would be much appreciated. Thanks Alison

Paul recovered yet???? lol 1841 - High st Ann Giles abt 1786 Wiltshire, England Heytesbury Wiltshire John Giles abt 1809 Wiltshire, England Heytesbury Wiltshire Ann Young abt 1816 Wiltshire, England Heytesbury Wiltshire William Young abt 1839 Wiltshire, England Heytesbury Wiltshire (age given as 1 1/2 yrs) now i am confused......... is this the Ann Giles and John i found before? because when i checked the household, it doesn't give them all, seperates the 2 names, but on original they are in the same house............... sorry ! no sign of husband John though, 1841 is a nightmare to search though, esp, if they were born in different county !! did find him here though 1871- 63 High st Edward Shepherd abt 1850 Heytesbury, Wiltshire, England Lodger Heytesbury Wiltshire Tom Shepherd abt 1852 Heytesbury, Wiltshire, England Lodger Heytesbury Wiltshire Arabella Young abt 1850 Heytesbury, Wiltshire, England Daughter Heytesbury Wiltshire Eliza Young abt 1815 Uppingham, Rutland, England Wife Heytesbury Wiltshire James Young abt 1851 Heytesbury, Wiltshire, England Son Heytesbury Wiltshire John Young abt 1812 Burton, Somerset, England Head Heytesbury Wiltshire MASTER TAILOR new wife, ( and from my area now !!!) 1881 - High st John Young abt 1814 Bruton, Somerset, England Head Bruton Somerset TAILOR Mary Vigar abt 1876 Bruton, Somerset, England Granddaughter Bruton Somerset 1891 - BINGO !!! Joel Young abt 1816 Bruton, Somerset, England Inmate of Supported by the Charity (Inmate) Bruton Somerset John Young abt 1815 Bruton, Somerset, England Inmate of Supported by the Charity (Inmate) Bruton Somerset Martha Young abt 1795 Bruton, Somerset, England Inmate of and Supported by the Charity (Inmate) Bruton Somerset ALL WIDOWS not sure if Martha is connected to them, they were all seperate on the page....... Jx

Alison 1861 Charles Poulter Mary A abt 1836 Birm, Warwickshire, England Head Birmingham Warwickshire BAKER Joseph Poulter abt 1860 Birm, Warwickshire, England Son Birmingham Warwickshire Mary A Poulter abt 1839 Birm, Warwickshire, England Wife Birmingham Warwickshire 1851 - 47 NEW CANAL ST Charles Poulton abt 1836 Birmm, Warwickshire, England Son Birmingham Warwickshire Eliza Poulton abt 1830 Birmm, Warwickshire, England Daughter Birmingham Warwickshire Elizabeth Poulton abt 1800 Hatesfan, Staffordshire, England Widow Birmingham Warwickshire William Ward abt 1839 Birmm, Warwickshire, England Visitor Birmingham Warwickshire next door is: Sarah A Poulton abt 1831 Birmm, Warwickshire, England Daughter Birmingham Agnes Poulton abt 1830 Waber, Staffordshire, England Daughter Birmingham Warwickshire 1841 Agnebe Poulton abt 1826 Birmingham Warwickshire Charles Poulton abt 1835 Warwickshire, England Birmingham Warwickshire Eliza Poulton abt 1830 Warwickshire, England Birmingham Warwickshire Elizabeth Poulton abt 1799 Birmingham Warwickshire James Poulton abt 1839 Warwickshire, England Birmingham Warwickshire Joseph Poulton abt 1783 Birmingham Warwickshire BAKER Sarah Ann Poulton abt 1833 Warwickshire, England Birmingham Warwickshire No sign of Mary in 41 & 51 though i'm afraid, must be mistranscribed, do you have her fathers name. that might help to find her. Jane

Thanks Jane, No I was hoping i might get Mary's father's name off the census. I will probably get back in touch once I have got the B Cert. Thanks again Alison

Jane Thanks for your kind offer to look up. Can you check the 1851 census for the following family please: James DODSON b.c 1820 - Blacksmiths Striker in 1849 -no other info Jane DODSON b. c 1820 @ Prescot, Lancashire - believe she died prior to 1861 census Martha DODSON b. 1849 @ Monks Coppenhall, Cheshire It would be great help to locate them in this census as I have been unable to find any other children of this couple. Thanks again Janet

Jane, 1841 - Ahh I see. That is Mother Giles + Son + Daughter + Grandson. Super Work . . The 1891 census, was that from a Workhouse or Poorhouse? Can you do me one favour. You gave me the 1851 census of John Young & Mary Ann/Ann + kids and you have showed me the 1871 Census of John gone AWOL with another woman taking two of the children with him Can you do 1861 to see are they togetehr, where are the kids etc John Young, Wife is Mary Ann or Ann + children William, Emma, John, Elizabeth, Arabella, James etc It will hopefully help me track down more certs to get Paul x