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Geraldine .. why not start a post of your own instead of attaching it to this old thread.


Marriages Dec 1913
Brittain Ethel M - Handyside -Camberwell 1d 1566
Brittan Ethel M - Handyside -Camberwell 1d 1566
Handyside John R B - Brittan - Camberwell 1d 1566


You need the marriage certificate to see who he names as his father

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Name:
John Baird-Handyside

Age:33
Birth Date:abt 1889

Departure Date:
3 Aug 1922

Port of Departure:
London, England

Destination Port:
Sydney, Australia

Ship Name:
Benalla

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Search for the Benalla in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database

Shipping line:
P & O Branch Service

Official Number:
135322

Master:
Captain W R F Hickey

Hi,
Iam doing some research on John Raymand Baird-Handyside who came out to Australia with his wife Ethel Mary Brittan in 1922. Have you any information on them .
Please I need help.
Thank you Geraldine.

Diane Thanks you're a real help and yes it is making a very interesting story (especially as we've only uncovered all this in the last year!)

Edgar's death reference if you need it: Sep 1940 Edgar B Robinson 74 Fulham 1a 413 Rose

Just a thought Diane ... is William London Busch Handyside born 1860 Midlothian on The Times digital images? The father of the three boys.

Diane Yes that does help, thank you so much. Grateful of any assistance here, don't think Edgar and Alice Eva could have been married. She may have returned to Tasmania, still had family there. Interesting that her three sons took the name Robinson on 1901 census although they were visiting a farm! What is for sure though is they didn't keep the name Robinson, infact I'm beginning to wonder if Alice Mary (born 1894) was a Handyside and its her marriage to Harnden?? The plot thickens...

Hi Sara, Will PM the details of my Witley relatives. I found them. Since 1852 there are only 2 marriages per page so there are no missing spouses on the 1902 Edgar B Robinson marriage and it is fully transcribed. Rose

Diane THANK YOU You don't know how much this means.x

Hi Sara the extra info might help, although Hildas parents are given on her death reg. Her death certificate will also name parents and children but will try the newspaper death notices first. Norman is listed under Baird-Handyside and Hilda under Handyside in the death notice index, but she is under both in the official bdm index. No Baird-Handysides in the current whitepages but several Handysides around. It might take a few days before I can get over to Parramatta to the library, but I shall pm to you Diane

Diane Will this help with the look up? William Norman Baird Handyside born 1888 Sevenoaks, Kent, England - parents William London Busch Handyside and Alice Eva (nee Macmichael) Hilda Clarissa Bessie Handyside (nee Haime) born 1892, Bath, Somerset - parents Herbert Howell Haime and Elizabeth (?) , England. Thanks x

Diane That would be amazing! If they have any children still living they are my Gran's direct cousins. Yes, have seen Wikipedia and it is the same line. The Handyside Trust is mentioned in my Great Grandfather's will. But of course, we only found out about this in the last year. Because he was adopted between 1903 and 1908 my Gran thought she was a Cullerne. This is a fascinating and emotional journey for my Gran, I can't thank you enough for your help. Sara

Hi Sara I take that you have seen the Wikipedia entries for the Handysides and Bairds - explains why William was counted as independently wealthy. Regarding Edgar marriage entry in freebmd - it looks to me like not all the marriage partners have been transcribed as yet - marriages usually have four marriages to a page - so four brides and four grooms will appear in a freebmd search whenall are transcribed, s= Would you like me to look up the SydneyMorningHerald death notices for Norman and Hilda - the death notices will tell if they had any surviving relatives, or do you have them already. Unfortunately, if his brother came to Australia, but not NSW, not all the records are available on line. Victoria and WA are. DIane

Rose I did find it, need to check again as want to order the cert! Was searching for Jack for ages on all the records, he was John Raymond Baird Handyside and he married Ethel Brittan - haven't found death for them either. Maybe they went abroad, as William Norman Baird Handyside and his wife Hilda (Haime) went to New South Wales. My Gr Grandfather Alan Baird Handyside went to Buenos Aires working for Western Union, but came back to enlist - 2nd Liuet Royal Weat Kent Regt. Was killed in action 1918.

Thanks for your thoughts Diane. Don't think Edgar married Alice in 1902, records don't seem to match. Yes, most of Edgar's family seem to be in the Stock Broking business. William was of 'independent means'. Just want to know what happened to him and trace descendants.

Hi Hope you don't mind me 'butting in'. With all the mysterious goings on in this family, I think that perhaps Edgar Robinson and Alice did not get married until 1902 - unless she died and he was marrying someone else. So get the certificate - perhaps she separated from William Handyside before the birth of Alice, but he was not dead, so she could not remarry (though that did not seem to worry some people). If Alice MB was Edgars child born in 1894, William left after Alans conception and before Alices. Have you looked to see if William returned to Scotland (1901 census ?), Did you see him maried to Adelaide in the 1881 census ? Did you also see that both Edgar and his brother Francis were stock brokers - perhaps Edgar and William had some business dealings ? Have to go to cricket with my son, but will check some more later (its 4.30 pm here in Sydney) Diane

Sara, I don't see a birth for John/Jack R on FreeBMD. Rose

Sara, I need to check my records. I thought they were they in 1881 but I don't see them. Will get back to you. Thanks, Rose

Rose Spooky! Not come across the name CULLERNE have you? What dates were they there? I have a fab old book with lots of info on staff and pupils - obituaries, letters, old boys, few photos etc . Dates pupils from about late 1800's to 1920. Sara

Sara, Odd thing is my relatives worked at that same school. Think they lived in the gatehouse. Rose

Thanks Margaret Yes, had found that but unfortunately thats not to Alice Eva! The school Alan was sent to(King Edwards, Witley) seems to have been for orphans and fatherless ... admissions register states whereabouts of mother unknown and father dead. Doesn't mention rest of family and older brothers didn't go there too. Its a mystery....