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Diane Thanks you're a real help and yes it is making a very interesting story (especially as we've only uncovered all this in the last year!)

Hi,
Iam doing some research on John Raymand Baird-Handyside who came out to Australia with his wife Ethel Mary Brittan in 1922. Have you any information on them .
Please I need help.
Thank you Geraldine.

Geraldine .. why not start a post of your own instead of attaching it to this old thread.


Marriages Dec 1913
Brittain Ethel M - Handyside -Camberwell 1d 1566
Brittan Ethel M - Handyside -Camberwell 1d 1566
Handyside John R B - Brittan - Camberwell 1d 1566


You need the marriage certificate to see who he names as his father

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Name:
John Baird-Handyside

Age:33
Birth Date:abt 1889

Departure Date:
3 Aug 1922

Port of Departure:
London, England

Destination Port:
Sydney, Australia

Ship Name:
Benalla

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Search for the Benalla in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database

Shipping line:
P & O Branch Service

Official Number:
135322

Master:
Captain W R F Hickey

There's no need for Geraldine to buy the 1913 marriage certificate as the image is on Ancestry. Will be happy to send it once she starts her own thread.

EDIT: On second thoughts, the info may be of interest to the original poster too (if he returns) so will add it anyhow. Here it is

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/keepsafe/asset/details/16245159

First name(s) John Raymond Baird
Last name Handyside
Service number -
Rank Temporary Lieutenant
Corps Royal Army Service Corps
Service record Rank: Temporary Lieutenant, Corps: Royal Army Service Corps
Archive reference WO372/8
Archive reference description Campaign Medal Index Cards and Silver War Badge Cards
Country Great Britain
Image link http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=D2523558
Record set World War One British Army medal index cards
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory First World War
Collections from Great Britain





First name(s) JACK RAYMOND
Last name BAIRD-HANDYSIDE
Birth year 1887
Birth parish DATCHET
Birth town LONDON
Birth county SURREY
Birth country ENGLAND
Service number 8642
Rank -
Regiment Queen's (Royal West Surrey Regiment) - 2nd Foot
Document Type Attestation
Attestation year 1905
Attestation Day 3
Attestation Month 10
Attestation age years 18
Attestation age months -
Attestation Corps Queen's (Royal West Surrey Regiment)
Attestation service number 8642
Discharge Corps Queen's (Royal West Surrey Regiment)
Series WO97 chelsea pensioners british army service records 1760-1913
Box 4291
Box Record Number 57

Marriages Sep 1887 (>99%)

DODGSON Henley Frederic Sevenoaks 2a 972
GERMAN Helen Sevenoaks 2a 972
HANDYSIDE William London B Sevenoaks 2a 972
Macmichael Alice Eva Sevenoaks 2a 972

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
25, Great King Street, St Mary Edinburgh, St Andrews, Midlothian, Scotland

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Handyside Head Married Male 36 1835 Retired Civil Engineer Russia Transcription
Isabella A Handyside Wife Married Female 37 1834 - Russia Transcription
William L B Handyside Son - Male 11 1860 Scholar Midlothian, Scotland Transcription
Charles B Handyside Son - Male 8 1863 Scholar Midlothian, Scotland Transcription
Sophia E Handyside Daughter - Female 14 1857 - Midlothian, Scotland Transcription
Catherine C Doughtie Servant Unmarried Female 29 1842 Cook Midlothian, Scotland Transcription
Anna Whitton Servant Unmarried Female 22 1849 Table Maid Midlothian, Scotland Transcription
Elizabeth Gardiner Servant Unmarried Female 29 1842 Nurse Fife, Scotland Transcription



1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Great King Street, Edinburgh, St Andrews, Midlothian, Scotland

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Wm Handyside Head Married Male 26 1835 Gentleman F R S E - Transcription
Isabella A Handyside Wife Married Female 27 1834 - - Transcription
Sophia E Handyside Daughter - Female 4 1857 - Midlothian, Scotland Transcription
Wm Handyside Son - Male 1 1860 - Midlothian, Scotland Transcription
Harriet Barclay Servant Unmarried Female 36 1825 Domestic Servant Aberdeen, Aberdeenshire, Scotland Transcription
Christina McKenzie Servant Widow Female 42 1819 Domestic Servant Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland Transcription
Mary Paterson Servant Unmarried Female 23 1838 Domestic Servant Kirkcaldy, Fife, Scotland Transcription
Harriet Daniel Servant Unmarried Female 21 1840 Domestic Servant Aberdeen, Aberdeenshire, Scotland

First name(s) William London Busch
Last name Handyside
Gender Male
Birth year 1860
Birth place EDINBURGH PARISH,EDINBURGH,MIDLOTHIAN,SCOTLAND
Father's first name(s) William
Father's last name Handyside
Mother's first name(s) Isabella Annie
Mother's last name Baird************
Place Edinburgh
County Midlothian
Country Scotland



First name(s) William London Busch
Last name Handyside
Death year 1902
Residence PARK LANE
County -
Court Court Of Probate
Record set Index to Death Duty Registers 1796-1903
National Archives reference IR27/593

First name(s) W L B
Last name HANDYSIDE
Title MR
Gender Male
Age 28
Birth year 1862
Marital status S***********************
Departure year 1890
Departure day 14
Departure month 2
Departure port LONDON
Destination port SYDNEY
Destination SYDNEY
State New South Wales
Country AUSTRALIA
Destination country AUSTRALIA
Ship name AUSTRAL
Ship master's first name J F
Ship master's last name RUTHVEN
City LONDON
Ship destination port SYDNEY
Ship destination country AUSTRALIA
Ship square feet 4085
Ship registered tonnage 5524
Number of passengers 313

***************Take note that he claimed to be single

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
274, Renfrew Street, Barony, Kelvin, Lanarkshire, Scotland

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Isabella A Handyside Head Widow Female 46 1835 - - Transcription
Charles B Handyside Son Unmarried Male 18 1863 Practical Engineer Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland Transcription
Janet Russeaw Sister Widow Female 48 1833 - - Transcription
Marian Malcolm Servant Unmarried Female 20 1861 General Domestic Balfron, Stirlingshire, Scotland

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First name(s) ALICE E
Last name HANDYSIDE
Title MRS
Gender Female
Age 63
Birth year 1863
Occupation NIL
Departure year 1926
Departure day 25
Departure month 2
Departure port LONDON
Destination port CAPE
Destination CAPE
Country SOUTH AFRICA
Destination country SOUTH AFRICA************
Ship name DIOGENES
Ship official number 144814
Ship master's first name A D
Ship master's last name YOUNG
Shipping line ABERDEEN LINE
City LONDON
Ship destination port AUSTRALIA
Ship destination country AUSTRALIA
Ship registered tonnage 7339
Number of passengers 608

Last UK address: 3, Glenray Street, London, W12.

Just to show father of Alice Eva


Name: Alice Eva Macmichael
Father's name: William Gatehouse Macmichael<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Spouse's Name: William London Busch Handyside
Marriage Date: 8 Sep 1887
Marriage Place: Sevenoaks, Kent, England

possible birth for William gatehouse Macmichael???

Name: William Gatehouse Macmichael
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 21 Mar 1836
Christening Place: , , TASMANIA, AUSTRALIA
Father's Name: William Thompson Macmichael
Mother's Name: Dinah

Marriage???

Name: William Thompson Macmichael
Spouse's Name: Dinah Gatehouse
Event Date: 04 Jan 1834
Event Place: New Town, Tasmania, Australia

Wills and Probate 1858-1996

Handyside William of 21 Magdala -crescent Edinburgh died 1st May 1902 Confirmation of John Ross Menzies publisher Thomas James Scougall Roberts manufacturer Hugh Handyside, Mary Stewart Handyside and Isabella Martin Handyside Sealed LONDON 28th September

This looks like William with his first wife in the 1881 census:

Name: William Handyside
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Adelaide Handyside
Gender: Male
Where born: Midlothian, Scotland
Civil Parish: Kensington
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 11 Devonshire Terrace
Marital Status: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Clerk In Bank Of England
Registration district: Kensington
Sub registration district: Kensington Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 6b
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 23
Folio: 103
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
William Handyside 21
Adelaide Handyside 23

Looks like he divorced her as there is this record in the UK Civil Divorce Records 1858-1914

Name: William London Busch Handyside
Spouse: Adelaide Isabella Handyside
Other: L Dowling

Their marriage, from SP:


1878 HANDYSIDE WILLIAM L BURCH
SMITH ADELAIDE ISABEL
BLYTHSWOOD GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/07 0353


And Adelaide's death:

Adelaide Busch Handyside

in the Great Britain, Select Deaths and Burials, 1778-1988
Name: Adelaide Busch Handyside
Gender: Female
Race: White
Age: 27
Birth Date: 1859
Death Date: 12 May 1886
Death Place: Merchant Marine, At Sea, Great Britain
FHL Film Number: 1483317
Reference ID: Pt2 Sh1295 pg42 Ln2

Just wandering off at a bit of a tangent here:

Adelaide Isabella Handyside
in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966


Name: Adelaide Isabella Handyside
Probate Date: 10 Jun 1886
Death Date: 12 May 1886
Death Place: Middlesex, England
Registry: Principal Registry

Administration of the personal estate of Adelaide Isabella Handyside (wife of William Loudon Busch Handyside) late of Rutland House, Kenway Road, Cromwell Road in the county of Middlesex who died 12th May 1886 at Sea, was granted at the Principal Registry to the said William Loudon Busch Handyside of 58 Warwick Road, Kensington in the said county, bank clerk.


The divorce petition (posted above by Chris) was in 1885.
Wonder if the divorce wasn't finalised by the time of her death, as she was apparently still his wife?]

EDIT: Having looked at the image of the decree paperwork, the petition was dated 12 May 1885 (just wondering - is that relevant to the date of her death ??).
The decree nisi was 9th Dec 1885, but there's no date for final decree.

Geraldine, If you google William London Busch Handyside there are a few bits of info that others have posted about him.