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Hi Deb Still chasing my Ann Parry/Perry - would you mind giving me the details of a possibilty which you found some time age 1851 Liverpool - Toxteth Park Mary Ann Janey Parry about 1848 Liverpool daughter If you can find her again I would appreciate the details Thanks in advance John

SUE ann and edward cant be ESTHERS siblings as she was a MAPP through marriage only i will see what else i can do ok will let you know if i find anything ok regards debs

Hi Debs, Thanks for looking, I am grateful for your help, I don't know what else to go on! It is possible that the Ann in Much Marcle b1816 is the sister of Esther as she was born sep 1814, she also had a brother edward he was b 1807, that one may be he. I don't know if that is the death of esther, I usually base the deaths on the census, but without the census, I do not know if this is her, if you know what i mean! Many thanks for looking, Sue

SUE would this be ESTHER DEATH Name: Esther Mapp Year of Registration: 1842 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep District: Tenbury County: Herefordshire, Hereford and Worcester, Shropshire, Worcestershire Volume: 18 Page: 342 ALL THE GEORGES IN 1841 George Mapp abt 1801 Worcestershire, England Hanley William Worcestershire George Mapp abt 1835 Worcestershire, England Hanley William Worcestershire George Mapp abt 1801 Worcestershire, England Lindridge Worcestershire George Mapp abt 1831 Worcestershire, England Lindridge Worcestershire DEBS

SUE these are the only ones from Marcle Much ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Ann Mapp abt 1816 Marcle Much Herefordshire Edward Mapp abt 1811 Marcle Much Herefordshire Elizth Mapp abt 1841 Herefordshire, England Marcle Much Herefordshire ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, am running out of ideas now,,, anything else i can try? do you know when esther died?? and where?? regards debs

Hi Debs, Thanks for looking for George, I don't have any siblings for you to go on. But Kempley is quiet close to the HEF boarder, and his mother was from Much Marcle HEF. So is it possible to have a look there. Thanks, Sue

SUE sorry took so long getting back to you,,,,, have spent quite a while looking for GEORGE but nothings jumping out at me,,,, have you any other info any siblings names?? cant find any MAPPS born in gloucs at all regards debs

SHEILA there are no images for scotland a the moment sorry,,,, if i can help in any other way please just ask ok regards debs

Hi Debs, I don't know if you are having problems with my George, or if you missed my post at 19.24 on 29/12. Sorry if this is premature, and you just 'havent got round to it' yet. Many thanks, Sue

Hi Debra Thank you very much, your so quick. Would it be possible to get a copy of the census, if you can do that. Thanks again Sheila

SHEILA 1861 Address: 87 Muir Street Registration Number: 647 Registration district: Hamilton Civil parish: Hamilton Town: Hamilton County: Lanarkshire ED: 4 Page: 21 Household schedule number: 114 Line: 13 Roll: CSSCT1861_115 Household Members: Georgeina Hough 6 DAU bn : Hamilton, Lanark Josiah Hough 1 SON bn : Hamilton, Lanark Mary Hough 31 WI bn england Samuel Hough 42 HD GROOM bn england Thomas F Hough 3 SON bn : Hamilton, Lanark Jeannet Young 15 DOM SERVANT bn Holytown, Lanark ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, 1851 Name: Samuel Haigh Age: 32 Estimated birth year: abt 1819 Relationship: Servant Gender: Male Where born: England Parish Number: 647 Civil parish: Hamilton County: Lanarkshire Address: Hamilton Palace ED: 1A Page: 1 Household schedule number: 1 Line: 5 Roll: CSSCT1851_168 Household Members: Fanny Abernethy 46 HOUSEMAID Duke of Hamilton & Brandon K G His Grace Alexander 83 Pur Of England & Scotland Lord Leiutenant Of Lanarkshire, Hendilary Keeper Of Holyroad Palace Jeje Je Abraham Barr 24 GARDENER Mary Bell 38 HOUSEMAID Helen Davidson 40 HOUSEMAID William Deans 23 GARDENER Alexis Esnault 55 VALET DE CHAMBSE Mary Falconer 35 HOUSEMAID Harriet Gonie 21 CONFECTIONER Martha Gordon 18 STILL ROOM MAID Susan Haig 29 KITCHEN MAID SAMUEL HAIGH 32 SERVANT GROOM bn england Elizabeth Hutton 49 HOUSEKEEPER Jackson Jamieson 21 GROOM William Lahore 17 GARDENER James Matthews 50 UNDER BUTLER Janette Mitchell 45 HOUSEMAID Richard Mulin 24 GROOM Daniel Nicholson 21 STEWARDS ROOM MAN Christina Nisbet 20 LAUNDRY MAID Jane Nisbet 43 LAUNDRY MAID Henrietta Reid 45 STILL ROOM MAID William Sangston 20 GARDENER John Serlthouse 28 CORK?? Grace Stewart 34 ALL WORKS Elizabeth Telfer 28 KITCHEN MAID Henry Whiler 29 GROOM Margaret Wright 18 ALL WORKS ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, regards debs

Hi Debs I would really appreciate a look-up in the 1861 census for Hamilton, Scotland, for a Samuel Hough age aprox 37, born Warwickshire, Mary, wife approx 31, Georgianna 6, Thomas Frederick 4, Josiah 4. If its no too much trouble could you see if Samuel and Mary might have been there is 1851. Thank you very much Sheila Canada

Hi Debbie, Thanks for trying but I don't think that either of those fit the bill as I have the family in 1861, William Jane,Ann and Thomas( 8yo) so presumably they lived in Liverpool in 1851 as William and Jane married there in 1843 I think that there must either be a transcription error or the family are missing. Thanks again for trying John

JOHN theres this wife is different though 1851 Registration district: West Derby Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park ED, institution, or vessel: 1jj Household schedule number: 110 Household Members: ANN PERRY 2 DAU bn toxteth park Elizabeth Perry 37 WI bn liverpool Joseph Perry 15 SON bn liverpool Thomas Perry 9 SON bn toxteth park WILLIAM PERRY 39 HD PLASTERER bn toxteth park address brick/back? gra??? rd ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, or this Registration district: Liverpool Sub-registration district: Howard Street ED, institution, or vessel: 1x Household schedule number: 76 Household Members: Ann Perry 40 WI bn ireland ANN PERRY 4 DAU bn liverpool Bridget Perry 12 DAU bn liverpool Catherine Perry 5 DAU bn liverpool Edward Perry 2 SON bn liverpool Thomas Perry 19 SON DOCK LABOURER bn liverpool WILLIAM PERRY 40 HD DOCK LABOURER bn ireland address 85 barraster? let me know what you think ok regards debs

Hi Debbie, In trying to sort out some unsolved problems from the past I came across one which is still outstanding. would you please look again in 1851 for Liverpool or Toxteth Park for Ann Perry or Parry aged about 3. You gave me a possible with a Mary Ann Janey Parry about 1848. Fathers name should be William, Mothers name Jane. You gave me 3 possiblites although I think that none of them quite fitted the bill. Would you please look once more and also expore the possability that she is away from home. Thanks in advance John

Hi, thanks for the offer, Are you able to find George MAPP on the 1841 for me? He was born 1816 in Kempley Gloucestershire, he married in Dymock GLS in 1845. I have his mother as Esther Mapp from Herefordshire, but no mention of a father, I was wondering if he would be mentioned on the 1841! Many thanks, Sue

Re John Williams of Norton Canes, Staffs Thanks Debs for the info'. I'll send a copy to John's G'Daughter and see if any names on your list ring any bells. Happy New Year to you. Ron

RONALD there are these in 1901 John Williams PARENTS Robert,AND Mary abt 1889 Norton Canes, Staffordshire, England Son Norton Staffordshire John H Williams PARENTS Richard,AND Mary abt 1894 Norton Canes, Staffordshire, England Son Norton Staffordshire John H Williams PARENTS John,AND Ann abt 1900 Norton Canes, Staffordshire, England Son Norton Staffordshire without some more info it is very hard to pinpoint him sorry regards debs

Hi Debs. Re: John Williams 1901 Census Sorry Debs we're at odds - my fault. Sydney Williams, the only child I have any data for, was born 1914 I know not where,nor do I know if he was the first child. I took a guess at age of his father John. I have nil other data other than that given earlier. If no John Willams at Chase Terrace, Registration District Lichfield, Staffs could you look at Norton Canes, Registration District Cannock, Staffs please as just found out he MAY have been born there or lived there prior to moving to Chase Terrace. Sorry to be so vague but John's grand daughter can't give me any more info. Regards Ron

RONALD so your saying that johns child was sydney born 1914,, and he was 40yrs old,, born abt 1874,,, so that would make sydney his first child,,,, how sure are you that sydney was his first child??? what was sydneys mothers name??? have you got his marriage cert? please let me know ok RONALD there this in 1901 Name: John Williams Age: 26 Estimated birth year: abt 1875 Relation: Visitor Gender: Male Where born: Dover, Kent, England Civil parish: St Mary Ecclesiastical parish: St Augustine Town: Southampton County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Registration district: Southampton Sub-registration district: Southampton ED, institution, or vessel: 20 Household schedule number: 93 Household Members: Ada Leach 30 WI MARRIED bn southampton hants Gladys Leach 3 DAU bn southampton hants William Leach 1 SON bn southampton hants Florrie Williams 11 months VISITOR bn sheerness kent JOHN WILLIAMS 26 VISITOR MARRIED BARMAN bn dover kent Mary Williams 21 VISITOR MARRIED bn sheerness kent address 122 millbanks ST ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, debs