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Hi Penelope, This could quite possibly be them. They have proven to be the impossible couple. I have been on Scotlands People and IGI but there is no marriage to be found. The son I have is Edward born 1872. His Marriage cert shows his parents as James Sim - Ann Henderson. His birth cert shows the same but includes the marriage place and date. As you say there are loads of James Sim in Aberdeen I know I've been though quite a lot looking for them. James the son was born in Peterhead, Aberdeen. They are going to be my mystery family. Lol. I'll get them one day. Very grateful to you for trying anyway. Thanks Brenda.

Hi Penelope, Just found a Thomas Milne Sim. Father James Sim and Mother Ann Henderson born at Peterhead, Aberdeen 1860 died 1862. Does this help any thought he would be on 1861 census with brother James. I'm still looking. If I find anything else I'll let you know. Thanks Brenda.

If you have a min, could you do a 1841 lookup on Mary Ann Stirk of Yorkshire please? I dont know her parents names, but she may have been born in Leeds. She was born 1827/1828. Thankyou.

Hi Penelope thanks for the offer. I have the following family living at Angel Lanes Aston under Lyne in 1861. James Shaw 55 watchman Elizabeth Shaw 54 Mary Shaw 27 frame tenter, cotton Sarah Shaw 25 Robert Shaw 16 They were living next door to James (21) and Mary Shaw who I think was their son. (I know from James and Mary's marriage cert that his father was also James). All of the above are listed as born in Oldham. If you could find any of them in 1841 or 51 I would be very grateful. Thanks again Kate

Rebekah Markham *********************** Hi - the only one I can see with that name is this one, but, the age is a bit out - will view the image just to be sure.... 1841 Name: Maryanne Stirk Age: 10 Estimated birth year: abt 1831 Household: View other family members Gender: Female Where born: Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Leeds Town Hundred: Leeds Borough County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Source information: HO107/1348/1 Registration district: Leeds Sub-registration district: Leeds West ED, institution, or vessel: 34 Folio: 10 Page: 12 (click to see others on page) Line number: 11 GSU Number: 464291 View Record Samuel Claphan abt 1806 Yorkshire, England Leeds Town Yorkshire View Record Maryanne Nowell abt 1826 Yorkshire, England Leeds Town Yorkshire View Record Francis Perpet abt 1821 Yorkshire, England Leeds Town Yorkshire View Record Maryanne Stirk abt 1831 Yorkshire, England Leeds Town Yorkshire Image does read 10 Address Brunswick Terrace Occupation F S (female servant) Best wishes and have a good Christmas Pen x

Hi Pen, Sorry for delay in replying. Being unable to find my G'parents wedding date etc is the root of my brickwall, so thought of adopting different track to narrow down the search for the wedding date ? Hope you and all GR's have a merry christmas and a happy new year. Best wishes to all Merv

Added by Louise Halsall on 24/12/2006 12:33:12 hi thanks for the offer can you look up a leonard charles rowe born 1900 in aston dont know parents name thanks very much can yu also do a look up for a bertie henry woolgrove born 1892 ? herbrt born west bromich thanks happy christmas ************************** 1901 Name: Leonard F Rowe Age: 1 Estimated birth year: abt 1900 Relation: Son Father's name: Frederick C Mother's name: Emily Gender: Male Where born: Aston, Warwickshire, England Civil parish: Aston Manor Ecclesiastical parish: Lozells St Paul County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Aston Sub-registration district: Aston Manor ED, institution, or vessel: 22 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 90 Household Members: Name Age Clarissa M Rowe 4 abt 1897 Erdington, Warwickshire, England Daughter Emily Rowe 36 abt 1865 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Wife Frederick C Rowe 37 abt 1864 Aston, Warwickshire, England Head Gladys E Rowe 10 abt 1891 Aston, Warwickshire, England Daughter Leonard F Rowe 1 abt 1900 Aston, Warwickshire, England Son Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 2884; Folio: 12; Page: 15. Have viewed the image - Address - 67 High Street Occupation of head of household - Fireman Merry Christmas Pen x

2nd message Louise from BMD Name: Bertie Henry Woolgrove Year of Registration: 1892 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep District: West Bromwich County: Shropshire, Staffordshire, Worcestershire Volume: 6b Page: 79_ (click to see others on page) Sorry - can not spot him on the 1901 census Any idea's for parents names ?? Pen x

Hi Pen, Seasons greetings to you! Could you please look up in the 1901 Maud A Hall born 1896 in Kettering Northants? I'm sorry, but that is all the info I have. Thanks very much. Anna

Anna Taylor *************** 1901 census Name: Maud Hall Age: 5 Estimated birth year: abt 1896 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Joseph Mother's name: Adelaide Gender: Female Where born: Kettering, Northamptonshire, England Civil parish: Kettering Ecclesiastical parish: Kettering St Peter and St Paul with St Andrew and St Mary County/Island: Northamptonshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Kettering Sub-registration district: Kettering ED, institution, or vessel: 18 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 42 Household Members: Name Age Adelaide Hall 27 abt 1874 Kettering, Northamptonshire, England Wife Frederick Hall 8 abt 1893 Kettering, Northamptonshire, England Son Henry Hall 6 abt 1895 Kettering, Northamptonshire, England Son Jessie Hall 3 abt 1898 Kettering, Northamptonshire, England Daughter Joseph Hall 36 abt 1865 Birmingham Head Maud Hall 5 abt 1896 Kettering, Northamptonshire, England Daughter Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 1448; Folio: 7; Page: 6. Pen x

Hi Pen, I don't know whether it was me not looking at the right time but I had the impression you had been away - scratching piggies backs etc? Hope Christmas has been good for you and your menagerie. I have a new problem in one Harry Geldard Dixon c.1889 but the Dixon is his adopted name and I don't know the date of his adoption. Guessing his original surname could have been Geldard, I found a Harry Marsden Geldard born Hunslet Mar Q 1888. Please could you find him in 1891 as I cannot see him in 1901. Many thanks, David

Merry Christmas and very nearly Happy New Year! I would be most grateful if you could look up any details on the following Alfred Frost was born 1839 Dudley, Staffordshire. Hannah O'Melia - his wife - originally from Ireland Eliza Frost - born 1865 - Rochdale William Frost - 1867 - Rochdale Harry Frost - 1870 - Brideford (Bideford?) Devon Emily Frost - 1871- Rochdale Thanks very much Nick Frost

Added by Frances Wells on 27/12/2006 10:41:16 Hi Pen, I don't know whether it was me not looking at the right time but I had the impression you had been away - scratching piggies backs etc? Hope Christmas has been good for you and your menagerie. I have a new problem in one Harry Geldard Dixon c.1889 but the Dixon is his adopted name and I don't know the date of his adoption. Guessing his original surname could have been Geldard, I found a Harry Marsden Geldard born Hunslet Mar Q 1888. Please could you find him in 1891 as I cannot see him in 1901. Many thanks, David **************************************** Erm, struggling with this one......and yes have been away for a while. There is also one born later on - BMD Birth Name: Harry Marsden Geldard Year of Registration: 1896 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: Hunslet County: Yorkshire - West Riding Volume: 9b Page: 271 (click to see others on page) Which I can find on the 1901 census ....... Name: Harry M Geldard Age: 4 Estimated birth year: abt 1897 Relation: Son Father's name: Daniel M Mother's name: Lily Gender: Male Where born: Hunslet, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Hunslet Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Hunslet Sub-registration district: Hunslet ED, institution, or vessel: 30 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 35 Household Members: Name Age Arthur Geldard 1 month Daniel M Geldard 26 Harry M Geldard 4 Horace Geldard 3 Lily Geldard 27 ****************************** Can not spot Harry Geldard on the 1891 census, however, there is this Dixon chap ..... Name: Harry Dixon Age: 4 Estimated birth year: abt 1887 Relation: Son Father's name: Joseph Mother's name: Eleanor Gender: Male Where born: Hunslet, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Hunslet Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Hunslet Sub-registration district: Hunslet ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Arthur Dixon 1 abt 1890 Hunslet, Yorkshire, England Son Eleanor Dixon 27 abt 1864 Hunslet, Yorkshire, England Wife Harry Dixon 4 abt 1887 Hunslet, Yorkshire, England Son Joseph Dixon 29 abt 1862 Middlestown, Yorkshire, England Head Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 3661; Folio 74; Page 34; GSU roll: 6098771 Pen x

Nick Frost ************ Merry Christmas and very nearly Happy New Year! I would be most grateful if you could look up any details on the following Alfred Frost was born 1839 Dudley, Staffordshire. Hannah O'Melia - his wife - originally from Ireland Eliza Frost - born 1865 - Rochdale William Frost - 1867 - Rochdale Harry Frost - 1870 - Brideford (Bideford?) Devon Emily Frost - 1871- Rochdale Thanks very much Nick Frost ********************************** 1871 for Alfred and Hannah ... do you have this already ? You have not told me which census you would like them on ... Name: Alfred Frost Age: 34 Estimated birth year: abt 1837 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Hannah Gender: Male Where born: Deventry, Northamptonshire, England Civil parish: Wardleworth Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Town: Rochdale County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Rochdale Sub-registration district: Wardleworth ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 289 Household Members: Name Age Alfred Frost 34 abt 1837 Deventry, Northamptonshire, England Head Eliza Frost 6 abt 1865 Rochdale, Lancashire, England Daughter Emily Frost 1 month abt 1871 Rochdale, Lancashire, England Daughter Hannah Frost 36 abt 1835 Ireland Wife Harry Frost 1 abt 1870 Bideford, Devon, England Son Sarah Frost 8 abt 1863 Rochdale, Lancashire, England Daughter William Frost 4 abt 1867 Rochdale, Lancashire, England Son Bartholomen Plunkett 51 abt 1820 Ireland Lodger ******************** Pen x Where did you get the - born Dudley, Staffs bit from ?? This looks like the chap above, from the 1871, on the census for 1841 ......... Name: Alfred Frost Age: 3 Estimated birth year: abt 1838 Household: View other family members Gender: Male Where born: Northamptonshire, England Civil parish: Braunston Hundred: Fawsley County/Island: Northamptonshire Country: England Source information: HO107/798/4 Registration district: Daventry Sub-registration district: Daventry ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Folio: 14 Page: 20 (click to see others on page) Line number: 10 GSU Number: 438874 View Record Alfred Frost abt 1838 Northamptonshire, England Braunston Northamptonshire View Record Edwin Frost abt 1834 Braunston Northamptonshire View Record Thomas Frost abt 1836 Northamptonshire, England Braunston Northamptonshire *** Have viewed the image and it looks as though they are part of this family, but Ancestry have not listed them as such - Thomas Frost 40 smithy yes born in county Sarah Frost 30 NOT born in county Eliza Frost 9 NOT born in county then Edwin Frost 7 NOT born in county Thomas Frost 5 yes born in county Alfred Frost 3 yes born in county Pen x

Thanks Pen - you are a star!! On the 1871 census there was listed an Alfred Frost - born in Dudley, Staffs married to a Hannah from Ireland - so not sure if there are two and I may be wrong or whether one is a typo... If you have a moment I would be grateful if you could look up in the 1901 census... The details are William Frost - born Rochdale - 1867 Wife - Emma Swain - born 1880 possible sibling - John A Frost born Rochdale 1892 thanks again for your help!! Nick

Hello!...Can you plz do a look up for a Thomas Mogdridge and his wife Anna (nee whyte) born around 1840 in the 1841, 51 and 61 census. They emigrated to Australia both aged 27 in 1867 with their 3 children Annie, Thomas and Lizzy. I think they lived in England, possibly london area. Any information would be much appreciated. Cheers Cindy

Hi Pen, Looks like the 1897 Harry Marsden Geldard died and was replaced so not the Harry Dixon I also found in 1901. Thanks for your efforts. I will keep the Dixon family on file until my friend finds the more recent info on this family, in Leeds library. David

Nick Frost ************ Hi, I have tried the 1871 again - typed in Alfred Frost born Dud* Staf* (incase of spelling errors) and nothing came up that matched. BUT ..I looked at the 1881 census and there is a family with Alfred listed as born Dudley, Staffs. 1881 Name: Alfred Frost Age: 42 Estimated birth year: abt 1839 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Hannah Gender: Male Where born: Dudley, Staffordshire, England Civil parish: Wardleworth County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 13 Granville St Condition as to marriage: Married Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Police Officer Registration district: Rochdale Sub-registration district: Wardleworth ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Alfred Frost 42 Eliza Frost 16 Bagslate, Lancashire, England Emily Frost 10 Hannah Frost 43 Ireland Harry Frost 11 Brideford, Devon, England William A. Frost 14 Rochdale, Lancashire, England I can not find the family that I had found - with Alfred born Daventry - on the 1881. I think it's the same family on both of the census's. **************************************************** If you have a moment I would be grateful if you could look up in the 1901 census... The details are William Frost - born Rochdale - 1867 Wife - Emma Swain - born 1880 possible sibling - John A Frost born Rochdale 1892 ********************** 1901 census - gives this, with John as a son, not a sibling though. Name: William Frost Age: 34 Estimated birth year: abt 1867 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Emma Gender: Male Where born: Rochdale, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Sheffield Ecclesiastical parish: Sheffield St Matthew County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Sheffield Sub-registration district: West Sheffield ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 95 Household Members: Name Age Emma Frost 34 abt 1867 Rochdale, Lancashire, England Wife John A Frost 8 abt 1893 Rochdale, Lancashire, England Son William Frost 34 abt 1867 Rochdale, Lancashire, England Head Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4361; Folio: 122; Page: 15. Address - Rockingham Supp House Occupation of William - Local Supp Fire Brigade Pen x

Cindy ******* It's gonna be quite hard without birthplaces etc due to the surnames, a few possibles on the 1861 This must be their marriage - View Record Maria Maxam 1863 Jan-Feb-Mar Pancras (1837-1901) London, Middlesex ***View Record Thomas John Mog___Idge 1863 Jan-Feb-Mar Pancras (1837-1901) London, Middlesex View Record Harriet Eliza Smith 1863 Jan-Feb-Mar St Luke London, Middlesex ***View Record Anna Whyte 1863 Jan-Feb-Mar Pancras (1837-1901) London, Middlesex View Record William Joseph Woodbridge 1863 Jan-Feb-Mar Pancras (1837-1901) London, Middlesex If you order the marriage cert, it will provide you with their fathers names etc Have you checked out the IGI on familysearch.org ??? ***UPDATE As we can he was down as Thomas John on his marriage entry, looking at the IGI, there is this entry for about the right time and place - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- THOMAS JOHN MOGDRIDGE Male -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: 29 JUL 1840 Christening: 01 NOV 1840 Old Church, Saint Pancras, London, England Death: Burial: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: THOMAS MOGDRIDGE Family Mother: ANN ************************* could be a match on the 1851 census - Name: Thomas Mogdrige Age: 10 Estimated birth year: abt 1841 Relation: Son Mother's name: Ann Gender: Male Where born: St Giles, Middlesex, England Civil parish: St Giles IN The Fields Town: London County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration district: St Giles Sub-registration district: St Giles North ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 152 Household Members: Name Age Ann Fraser 61 John Fraser 73 Ann Mogdrige 35 St Giles, Middlesex, England abt 1816 daughter Thomas Mogdrige 10

Hi Pen, Thank you for all your help. I will use this info to continue my research and will order their marriage certificate to confirm the names of their fathers. The marriage matches the birth of their children Annie (1964), Thomas (1865) and Lizzy (1867). Do you know the marriage cert reg number as i havent been able to find it myself. Thanx again for the time you have given this one :)) Take care, Cindy