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Hi Pen A kind offer, Could you please look up Richard Baylis and his wife Helah /Hela (nee Thomas). On the 1901 census. They married in 1895 and there first child richard was born the same year so should be on the census with them. Any help welcome Best wishes Julie

Hi Pen, Can you please try to find my ggf John Clark (born late 1845) as a youngster in the 1851/61 censuses. Believed to be living with parents and younger brother Richard and possibly other siblings in the Clerkenwell area of London, which is between Islington & the City. An optician in later life, he may have followed in father's footsteps. If successful, please also try to find his father in 1841. Many thanks, Kev

Added by Julie Potter on 20/12/2006 20:33:53 Hi Pen A kind offer, Could you please look up Richard Baylis and his wife Helah /Hela (nee Thomas). On the 1901 census. They married in 1895 and there first child richard was born the same year so should be on the census with them. Any help welcome Best wishes Julie **************************************************** 1901 census Hi you have not mentioned any birth years for the parents or birthplaces. You have also left out the birthplace of Richard Baylis 1895, lol - could this be him with his grandparents ? - Name: Richard Baylis Age: 6 Estimated birth year: abt 1895 Relation: Grandson Gender: Male Where born: Kensington, London, England Civil parish: Kensington Ecclesiastical parish: St Clement Notting Dale County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Kensington Sub-registration district: Kensington Town ED, institution, or vessel: 38 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 228 Household Members: Name Age George Baylis 18 abt 1883 Kensington, London, England Son Jack Baylis 15 abt 1886 Kensington, London, England Son Richard Baylis 47 abt 1854 Newcastle Upon Tyne Head Richard Baylis 6 abt 1895 Kensington, London, England Grandson Susan Baylis 46 abt 1855 Kensington, London, England Wife Susan Baylis 12 abt 1889 Kensington, London, England Daughter Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 25; Folio: 20; Page: 31. Address - 210 *looks like WALMEN Road Occupation of head of household - Bricklayer ************************************************ Unable to spot the parents on 1901... ************************************************ This looks like the family on the 1891 with Richard (and his details) ........ 1891 Name: Susan Baylis Age: 3 Estimated birth year: abt 1888 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Richard Mother's name: Susan Gender: Female Where born: Notting Hill, London, England Civil parish: Kensington Ecclesiastical parish: St Clement County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Kensington Sub-registration district: Kensington Town ED, institution, or vessel: 32a Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Charlotte Baylis 11 abt 1880 Notting Hill, London, England Daughter Eliza Baylis 14 abt 1877 Notting Hill, London, England Daughter George Baylis 8 abt 1883 Notting Hill, London, England Son John Baylis 5 abt 1886 Notting Hill, London, England Son Richard Baylis 36 abt 1855 Lambeth, London, England Head Richard Baylis 18 abt 1873 Notting Hill, London, England Son Susan Baylis 37 abt 1854 Notting Hill, London, England Wif Susan Baylis 3 abt 1888 Notting Hill, London, England Daught Thomas Baylis 15 abt 1876 Notting Hill, London, England Son Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 23; Folio 40; Page 4; GSU roll: 6095133. Address - 210 Walmer Road Occupation of head of household - Gen Lab Your Richard - Car Van Guard ***************************************** Now I have his birth details I will try the 1901 again for him...... Sorry, still no luck with him Pen x

Hi Pen Thanks you have the right family Julie

Hello If you have the time would you look for George Davi(e)s Sparks born 1868 in Marylebone London. He worked as a sponge warehouseman . His parents were Elizabeth and George but if you could find him in 1901 it would be great. I think he was in London, pretty definite. Thank you. Kate

Added by Kevin Clark on 21/12/2006 01:25:03 Hi Pen, Can you please try to find my ggf John Clark (born late 1845) as a youngster in the 1851/61 censuses. Believed to be living with parents and younger brother Richard and possibly other siblings in the Clerkenwell area of London, which is between Islington & the City. An optician in later life, he may have followed in father's footsteps. If successful, please also try to find his father in 1841. Many thanks, Kev ************************************ Any idea of his birthplace in 1845 and Fathers name? Pen x

Added by Katy Christmasmouse on 21/12/2006 09:51:50 Hello If you have the time would you look for George Davi(e)s Sparks born 1868 in Marylebone London. He worked as a sponge warehouseman . His parents were Elizabeth and George but if you could find him in 1901 it would be great. I think he was in London, pretty definite. Thank you. Kate *********************************************************************** 1901 Hi, the only one I can see is this chap... Name: George Sparks Age: 30 Estimated birth year: abt 1871 Relation: Prisoner Gender: Male Where born: Marylebone, London, England Civil parish: Islington Ecclesiastical parish: St Clement County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Islington Sub-registration district: Lower Holloway ED, institution, or vessel: His Majestys Prison Pentonville Occupation down as Gen Lab Pen x

Helen Catchpole ********************** Hi Helen, The 1881 is available free on familysearch.org (LDS church site) If you can find them on that and post your findings that would be great, I will then have more info on them to search with. Cheers Pen x Will be back in about an hour

Hi Penny, Just a few lines to say thanks for all you help you have offered during the last year. Merry Christmas. linda

Helen Catchpole ******************** Hi 1881 for my ref Name: William Poole Age: 36 Estimated birth year: abt 1845 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Mary A. Gender: Male Where born: Burnham, Buckinghamshire, England Civil parish: Upton Cum Chalvey County/Island: Buckinghamshire Country: England Street address: 6 New Cottages Condition as to marriage: Married Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Brickmaker Registration district: Eton Sub-registration district: Eton ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Mary A. Poole 32 abt 1849 Slough, Buckinghamshire, England Wife William Poole 36 William T. Poole 8 abt 1873 Slough, Buckinghamshire, England Son ******************************** 1891 ???????????? can't spot them even with the wife and sons details...... ******************************** 1901 ???????????? ******************************* will try for the 1871 ....... but Mary gives a completly diff birthplace, lol.. one more to try on the later census in a mo. Name: William Poole Age: 26 Estimated birth year: abt 1845 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Mary Gender: Male Where born: Burnham, Buckinghamshire, England Civil parish: Langley Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary County/Island: Buckinghamshire Country: England Registration district: Eton Sub-registration district: Iver ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 10 Household Members: Name Age Mary Poole 23 West Drayton, Middlesex, England William Poole 26 Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 1399; Folio: 64; Page: 3; GSU roll: 828504. ****************************** 1891 Name: Mary Ann Poole Age: 43 Estimated birth year: abt 1848 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: William Gender: Female Where born: Middlesex, England Civil parish: St Mary Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Town: Langley County/Island: Buckinghamshire Country: England Registration district: Eton Sub-registration district: Iver ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Mary Ann Poole 43 William Poole 46 Buckinghamshire, England William Thomas Poole 18 Buckinghamshire, England Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 1133; Folio 150; Page 28; GSU roll: 6096243 ****************************** Where does the link to Easrtbourne come from please? I have found a death on the BMD - its Sub Dist of Eton - matches the 1871 census details - Name: William Poole Estimated birth year: abt 1844 Year of Registration: 1896 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep Age at Death: 52 District: Eton County: Buckinghamshire Volume: 3a Page: 385 (click to see others on page) ******************** 1901 Name: Mary A Poole Age: 53 Estimated birth year: abt 1848 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Hillingdon, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Slough Ecclesiastical parish: Upton St Mary County/Island: Buckinghamshire Country: England Registration district: Eton Sub-registration district: Eton ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 155 Household Members: Name Age William J Higgs 30 Arthur E Knibb 23 Mary A Poole 53 Arthur J G Stiles 19 Mary A Tiner 29 All the men are boarders and Mary A Tiner is a niece Hillingdon, Middlesex, England abt 1872 and Mary Ann is a widow - have you taken a wrong turn somewhere ? Pen x

Hi Pen, thanks for your reply. John Clark was born in Clerkenwell. Had the middle name 'Royal' on his d/c, the spelling of this varies slightly on m/c & on later generations. I'm guessing his father had the same name, at least the same initial. I'm hoping for some Scottish link, as there was a famous 18thC instrument maker called John Clark, from Edinburgh.

Kevin Clark ************* Hi, I have managed to find this family on the 1851 census - which I believe to be yours - I have viewed the image and the occupation of the Head of household is a Optical glass grinder. Address - 39 St Helena Place Name: John Clark Age: 5 Estimated birth year: abt 1846 Relation: Son Father's name: John Mother's name: Mary Gender: Male Civil parish: Clerkenwell Ecclesiastical parish: St Philip Town: London County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration district: Clerkenwell Sub-registration district: Amwell ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 217 Household Members: Name Age Eliza Clark 12 John Clark 45 Red St, London, England John Clark 5 Mary Clark 35 Mary Clark 7 Matilda Clark 9 Richard Clark 3 ************************************************ Can not spot them on the 1861 at the mo ...going for a cuppa x ****UPDATE

Hi Penelope (Love the name by the way, I loved that show) ;-) Can you please look in the 1891 census for County Durham for Ada TINDALL, b 1889 in Stockton. Looking for her parents' names. Thank you! Cherilyn

Cherilyn ********** 1891 census Name: Ada Tindal Age: 1 Estimated birth year: abt 1890 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Michael Gender: Female Where born: Stockton, Durham, England Civil parish: Stockton On Tees Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity Town: Stockton County/Island: Durham Country: England Registration district: Stockton Sub-registration district: Stockton ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age John Frankland 28 Hurst, Yorkshire, England lodger abt 1863 Thomas Speight 28 Hunslet, Yorkshire, England abt 1863 lodger Ada Tindal 1 Annie Tindal 25 abt 1866 Arkengarthdale, Yorkshire, England Wife Charlotte Tindal 3 abt 1888 Stockton, Durham, England Daughter Elizabeth M Tindal 5 abt 1886 Stockton, Durham, England Daughter Harriet Tindal 28 Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England wife abt 1863 Herbert Tindal 1 Hunslet, Yorkshire, England abt 1890 son Mary E Tindal 5/12 Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England daughter abt 1890 Michael Tindal 38 abt 1853 Stockton, Durham, England Hea Richard Tindal 4 Hunslet, Yorkshire, England abt 1887 son Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 4048; Folio 154; Page 32; ***PLEASE NOTE that the transcriber as put Harriet Tindal, according to the actual image she is Harriet Speight, (the lodgers wife) Elizabeth Charlotte and Ada are the ONLY Tindal children, the rest should read Speight !!!! Merry Christmas Pen x

Brilliant! Thank you, Pen! And Merry Christmas! Cheers Cherilyn

Hi Penelope Thank you very much for all the info on Ruler family. I have printed it and trying to put all on my family tree. I know that there were steam train engineers in family so the occupation of engineer of Robert John Ruler on 1851 census fits in. As you say the name must be Ruler not Rider. Thanks Sandra

That's brilliant, Pen. With a name as common as muck as mine in an area which bred lots of Clarks, the family must have been quite difficult to find. Were all the family born in that area, or just the children? It would appear that John Clark had been previously married before 1841, (as it was common practice in inner London to name eldest son/daughter after the parents). It's also possible that he'd been widowed again before 1861, as FreeBMD records the death of several Mary Anns in that area in the 1850s. Merry Xmas and many thanks for your help over the year. Kev

Thanks Pen. While it would be interesting I have meanwhile found him on the separate 1901, the one that isn't ancestry so I'll have to follow that up. Ta for trying and have a good Christmas.

Hi Penelope, Can you look for a James Sim born 1836c and Ann born 1838c this was from 1881 census. On your 1861 census. Was told they married in 1856 14th June Longside, although I have yet to find their marriage certificate and ann's surname was Henderson. They had one son James born 1857 in Aberdeen. Who I found on the 1881 census there was several other children but they are born from 1867 onwards all at Aberdeen, there is a large gap in the childrens ages so assume there are more. James was a lucky find to be living with them at 24 years old. Their address was 35, Wellington Street, Old Machar, Aberdeen in 1881. James's occupation was listed as Labr ( at quarry) but have been told that he was also a labourer at Kittybrewster station. The son Jame's occupation was listed as stacker railway. Sorry this is all I have any help appreciated. Thanks Brenda.

Brenda Jones **************** Sorry - unable to spot them on the 1861 for Scotland, also checked England - just incase, but nothing. There are loads of Sim' in Old Machar for the 1861 can not ind your family though, very frustrating. Looking at the 1851 there is this - but without the marriage cert... Name: Ann Henderson Age: 13 Estimated birth year: abt 1838 Relationship: Daughter Father's name: James Mother's name: Margaret Gender: Female Where born: Aberdeen, Aberdeenshire Parish Number: 168B Civil parish: Old Machar County: Aberdeenshire Address: Skene Road Occupation: Scholar ED: 31 Page: 19 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 45 Line: 5 Roll: CSSCT1851_40 Household Members: Name Age Ann Henderson 13 Elizabeth Henderson 3 James Henderson 51 Jean Henderson 8 Margaret Henderson 43 Margaret Henderson 11 Mary Henderson 5 and Name: James Sim Age: 14 Estimated birth year: abt 1837 Relationship: Son Father's name: James Mother's name: Margaret Gender: Male Where born: Aberdeen, Aberdeensh Parish Number: 168A Civil parish: Aberdeen St Clements County: Aberdeenshire Address: 10 Canal Terrace Occupation: Scholar ED: 3A Page: 4 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 430 Line: 13 Roll: CSSCT1851_37 Household Members: Name Age Jean Bruce 15 George Sim 8 James Sim 58 James Sim 14 John Sim 6 Margaret Sim 44 Margaret Sim 4 Pen x Will try and come back to this later