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Gloria Hart ************* 1901 Name: Thomas Tyler Age: 7 Estimated birth year: abt 1894 Relation: Son Father's name: Robert Mother's name: Alice Gender: Male Where born: Bethnal Green, London, England Civil parish: St Mary Stratford Bow Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Poplar Sub-registration district: Bow ED, institution, or vessel: 24 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 267 Household Members: Name Age Alice Tyler 29 abt 1872 Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England Wife Alice Tyler 1 abt 1900 Bethnal Green, London, England Daug Herbert Tyler 3 abt 1898 Bethnal Green, London, England Son Robert Tyler 33 abt 1868 Bethnal Green, London, England Head Robert Tyler 9 abt 1892 Bethnal Green, London, England Son Thomas Tyler 7 abt 1894 Bethnal Green, London, England Son Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 342; Folio: 177; Page: 49 **************************************************** I can not apot the other one that you mean - what name is he under ? Pen x

Awww Pen... Thank you lots for your help... But I feel real bad... My mother in law gave me the wrong info.... She was dictating as I typed and it was only when I came back I realised our mistake..... She gave me her names...no wonder I wasn't getting anywhere Grrrr.... The actual Name I was looking for was Joseph Thomas HARLING or Thomas Joseph HARLING BMD Thomas Joseph Harling Year of Registration: 1895 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: Hackney County: Greater London, London, Middlesex Volume: 1b Page: 546 SORRY I GAVE YOU THE WRONG INFO BEFORE THANKS GLORIA

hi pen, thank you very very much for all your hard work you have definately found the right family. best wishes for christmas & new year elsie

Hi Pen, Nice to see you back on here. I'd like to trace a family in Scotland please. They are driving me demented and I just can't seem to find them...well not without signing the deeds of my house over to ScotlandsPeople! They are John McDonald or MacDonald, who in 1863 was apparently a Distillers Clerk but by the time of his daughter's death cert in 1900 he was a Crofter. His wife was Margaret, maiden surname, Douglas. Their daughter Ann was born circa 1841 going by ages on later census, however, according to her death cert she'd have been born circa 1844. She also can't make up her mind if she was born in Dingwall or Nairn, depends on which census! Apparently they were living at some point at a place called Corshellach, which is a whisky, so that fits with the distillers part. Ann, I believe was in domestic service so may only have been with her parents in the 1851 census. I am expecting them to be in the North East of Scotland, Nairn, Ross & Cromarty, Banffshire, Morayshire but then they could be anywhere! I'm pretty sure that's all I know. Can you save me from the brink of insanity????? Many thanks and happy christmas to you. Donna x

Brenda *********** Hi Brenda 1851 Census for Scotland Name: John Rannie Age: 7 Estimated birth year: abt 1844 Relationship: Son Father's name: William Mother's name: Ameled Gender: Male Where born: Tyrie, Aberdeenshire Parish Number: 248 Civil parish: Tyrie County: Aberdeenshire Address: Cairn High Occupation: Scholar ED: 7 Page: 2 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 5 Line: 7 Roll: CSSCT1851_52 Household Members: Name Age William Clark 1 Tyrie, Aberdeenshire Ameled Rannie 48 Sterchers, Aberdeenshire Ann Rannie 23 Tyrie, Aberdeenshire Elizabeth Rannie 5 Tyrie, Aberdeenshire Fresos Rannie 21 Tyrie, Aberdeenshire Occupation: Soldier On Forlaugh Jean Rannie 13 Tyrie, Aberdeenshire John Rannie 7 Tyrie, Aberdeenshire Margt Rannie 10 Tyrie, Aberdeenshire William Rannie 50 Mangahie, Aberdeenshire Occupation: Crofter Quarry Laberor ********************************************* 1841 Name: William Rennie Age: 40 Estimated birth year: abt 1801 Household: View other family members Gender: Male Where born: Aberdeenshire, Scotland Civil parish: Tyrie County: Aberdeenshire Address: Balnamoon Occupation: Crofter Parish Number: 248 ED: 1A Page: 5 (click to see others on page) View Record Name Estimated birth year Birthplace Civil parish County Parish Number Emelia Rennie abt 1803 Aberdeenshire, Scotland Tyrie Aberdeenshire 248 James Rennie abt 1834 Aberdeenshire, Scotland Tyrie Aberdeenshire 248 Jean Rennie abt 1838 Aberdeenshire, Scotland Tyrie Aberdeenshire 248 Margt Rennie abt 1840 Aberdeenshire, Scotland Tyrie Aberdeenshire 248 William Rennie abt 1801 Aberdeenshire, Scotland Tyrie Aberdeenshire 248 ***************************************** 1861 for John ONLY ** Name: John Rennie Age: 18 Estimated birth year: abt 1843 Relationship: Servant Gender: Male Where born: Tyrie, Aberdeenshire Registration Number: 223 Registration district: Monquhitter Civil parish: Monquhitter County: Aberdeenshire Address: Middlehill Occupation: Ploughman ED: 4 Page: 13 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 57 Line: 13 Roll: CSSCT1861_30 Household Members: Name Age Alexr Emslie 62 Elizabeth Emslie 61 John Emslie 59 Mary Emslie 22 Peter Emslie 24 Alexr Kellman 4 Barbara Kellman 1 Elizabeth Kellman 30 John Kellman 28 Christian Middleton 26 ***John Rennie 18 Andrew Thomson 74 and also 1861 ... Name: Amelia Rennie Age: 58 Estimated birth year: abt 1803 Relationship: Wife Spouse's name : William Gender: Female Where born: Strichen, Aberdeenshire Registration Number: 227B Registration district: New Pitsligo Civil parish: Tyrie County: Aberdeenshire Address: Balnamoon Occupation: Crofter Wife ED: 4 Page: 4 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 21 Line: 18 Roll: CSSCT1861_31 Household Members: Name Age John R Murdoch 2 New Pitsligo, Aberdeenshire abt 1859 Grandson Amelia Rennie 58 Strichen, Aberdeenshire abt 1803 crofters wife Eliza Rennie 15 New Pitsligo, Aberdeenshire abt 1846 Crofter Daur William Rennie 60 Occupation: Crofter Of 6 Acres Pen x

hello, could you see if the following two peopleappear in the 1891 census im trying to find out when they died. i know they both apppear in the 1881 census in hornsey. CHARLES WISEMAN ADKIN 1816 STOKE ON CLARE HONOR (or honria) ADKIN nee WARD 1819 GREAT PAXTON married 1843. i know they had one son Charles issac 1855 westminster and walter 1857 westminster. thanks. laura

Donna ********* 1851 what about this one - although the occupation does not match - may of changed it ! Name: Ann MacDonald Age: 8 Estimated birth year: abt 1843 Relationship: Daughter Father's name: John Mother's name: Margaret Gender: Female Where born: Dallas, Elginshire Parish Number: 129 Civil parish: Dallas County: Moray Address: Shade Occupation: Scholar ED: 8 Page: 1 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 2 Line: 8 Roll: CSSCT1851_30 Household Members: Name Age Ann MacDonald 8 Hugh MacDonald 6 Jane MacDonald 16 John MacDonald 50 Knockando, Elginshire abt 1801 Occupation: Hand Loom Weaver Margaret MacDonald 49 Dallas, Elginshire abt 1802 Occupation: Weaver's Wife Margaret MacDonald 2 *************************** 1861 Name: Jane McDonald Age: 27 Estimated birth year: abt 1834 Relationship: Daughter Father's name: John Mother's name: Margt Gender: Female Where born: Dallas, Elginshire Registration Number: 129 Registration district: Dallas Civil parish: Dallas County: Moray Address: Shade ED: 8 Page: 1 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 2 Line: 13 Roll: CSSCT1861_18 Household Members: Name Age Alexander McDonald 5 Hugh McDonald 16 Jane McDonald 27 John McDonald 60 Occupation: Woollen Weaver Margt McDonald 57 Margt McDonald 12 I can not find any possibles to match those place names though. Will pop back for another look later Pen x

Added by Laura Adkins on 18/12/2006 16:14:28 hello, could you see if the following two peopleappear in the 1891 census im trying to find out when they died. i know they both apppear in the 1881 census in hornsey. CHARLES WISEMAN ADKIN 1816 STOKE ON CLARE HONOR (or honria) ADKIN nee WARD 1819 GREAT PAXTON married 1843. i know they had one son Charles issac 1855 westminster and walter 1857 westminster. thanks. laura ************************************ What about these from the 1891 census - Name: Charles Adkins Age: 76 Estimated birth year: abt 1815 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Honor Gender: Male Where born: Suffolk, England Civil parish: Hornsey Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Innocents Town: Hornsey County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration district: Edmonton Sub-registration district: Hornsey ED, institution, or vessel: 19 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Charles Adkins 76 abt 1815 Suffolk, England Head Honor Adkins 72 abt 1819 Huntingdonshire, England Wife William Adkins 19 abt 1872 St Pancras, Middlesex, England Grandson Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 1063; Folio 53; Page 39; GSU roll: 6096173. *********************** Death entries - Name: Honoria Adkins Estimated birth year: abt 1819 Year of Registration: 1895 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar Age at Death: 76 District: Edmonton County: Essex, Hertfordshire, Middlesex Volume: 3a Page: 218 (click to see others on page) and Name: Charles Wiseman Adkins Estimated birth year: abt 1814 Year of Registration: 1896 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep Age at Death: 82 District: Edmonton County: Essex, Hertfordshire, Middlesex Volume: 3a Page: 181 (click to see others on page) Best wishes Pen x

Hi Can you look on 1901 census for Mary Ellen Murphy Liverpool England, Born 1895/6 Father Joseph Murphy (Carpenter) Thanks very much Vicky

Hi Penelope, Many thanks for your help I can now see why I couldn't find them its always luck with the spelling of names. You have put my tree back in motion and I'm very grateful. Have a Merry Xmas and best wishes for 2007. Thanks Brenda.

Hi Pen, Thanks for that info, I'll look into that further. Re changing the occupation, why not, they seemed to change most other things, making them somewhat elusive! Many thanks & Happy Christmas. Donna x

Hi Can you look on 1901 census for Mary Ellen Murphy Liverpool England, Born 1895/6 Father Joseph Murphy (Carpenter) Thanks very much Vicky **************************************************** Do you have any other info - there is a possible below, but, the father is not in the house when the census was taken. 1901 Name: Mary Ellen Murphy Age: 5 Estimated birth year: abt 1896 Relation: Daughter Mother's name: Mary Gender: Female Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Toxteth Ecclesiastical parish: St Cleopas County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Toxteth Park Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park ED, institution, or vessel: 30 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 75 Household Members: Name Age Elizth Dutton 48 Ermond Murphy 15 Margt Murphy 13 Mary Murphy 42 Mary Ellen Murphy 5

Hi Penelope Please could you look up census info on Isabella Harriet Ruler born 7 Dec 1855 Bermondsey according to familysearch.org. She was daughter of Robert Ruler 1823c Bermondsey and Elizabeth Moss 1820 Rotherhithe. I know she had a sister Elizabeth Burnett Ruler born 14/8/1842 Bermondsey. Thanks Sandra

Added by Patricia Taylor on 18/12/2006 18:06:02 hi penelope many thanks for the offer.i am trying to help a friend in canada what i have is alice alexander married 1865 kingston, middlesex to james john webb i have them in 1881, but by 1891 he was a widow would you please find her in 61, and 71 many thanks patricia -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi, You have forgotten to supply me with their birthplaces and years, so that I can find them on the 1881 and confirm on the 71 and 61. Please can you post the 1881 details Pen x *** Is this them in the 1881 census Name: Alice Webb Age: 42 Estimated birth year: abt 1839 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: James Gender: Female Where born: Whitechapel, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Rotherhithe County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 7 Silwood St Condition as to marriage: Married Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: St Olave Southwark Sub-registration district: Rotherhithe ED, institution, or vessel: 17a Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Alice Webb 42 Alice Webb 12 Anne Webb 16 James Webb 42 John Webb 10 Susan Webb 18 William Webb 2

Jeanette ************* 1891 for Harriett Travis - a possibe - the only way to be 100% is to get the birthcert for Harriet Name: Harriet Travis Age: 5 Estimated birth year: abt 1886 Relation: Son Father's name: Thomas Mother's name: Annie Gender: Male Where born: Firbeck, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Firbeck Ecclesiastical parish: Firbeck Town: Firbeck County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Worksop Sub-registration district: Carlton ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Annie Travis 34 abt 1857 Westow, Yorkshire, England Wife Annie Travis 6 abt 1885 Firbeck, Yorkshire, England Daughter George Travis 9 abt 1882 Bossington, Yorkshire, England Son Harriet Travis 5 abt 1886 Firbeck, Yorkshire, England Son James Travis 2 abt 1889 Firbeck, Yorkshire, England Son Mary Travis 11 abt 1880 Bossington, Yorkshire, England Daughter Thomas Travis 33 abt 1858 Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England Head Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2645; Folio 78; Page 5; GSU roll: 6097755 Hrriet is down on the image as a daughter ***************************** ***PLEASE confirm that this is them on the 1901 census, thankx Name: Henry Hazlehurst Age: 57 Estimated birth year: abt 1844 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Sarah Gender: Male Where born: Carlton IN Lindrick, Nottinghamshire, England Civil parish: Carlton IN Lindrick Ecclesiastical parish: Carlton in Lindrick St John the Evangelist Town: Carlton IN Lindrick County/Island: Nottinghamshire Country: England Registration district: Worksop Sub-registration district: Carlton ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 172 Household Members: Name Age Ernest Hazlehurst 15 Harry Hazlehurst 8 Henry Hazlehurst 57 Sarah Hazlehurst 57 *************************** If it is them - 1851 for Sarah and her family Name: Sarah Costall Age: 5 Estimated birth year: abt 1846 Relation: Daughter Father's name: William Mother's name: Lucey Gender: Female Where born: Gelston, Lincolnshire, England Civil parish: Hough On The Hill County/Island: Lincolnshire Country: England Registration district: Grantham Sub-registration district: Grantham ED, institution, or vessel: 15b Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 46 Household Members: Name Age Charles Costall 11 abt 1840 Hough, Lincolnshire, England Son George Costall 9 abt 1842 Hough, Lincolnshire, England Son Lucey Costall 31 abt 1820 Welby, Lincolnshire, England Wife Robart Costall 3 abt 1848 Gelston, Lincolnshire, England Son Sarah Costall 5 abt 1846 Gelston, Lincolnshire, England Daughter Thomas Costall 7 abt 1844 Hough, Lincolnshire, England Son William Costall 35 abt 1816 Hough, Lincolnshire, England Head William Costall 9 Mo abt 1850 Gelston, Lincolnshire, England Son Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2103; Folio: 528; Page: 11; GSU roll: 87732.

Added by Sandra Watts on 19/12/2006 17:05:55 Hi Penelope Please could you look up census info on Isabella Harriet Ruler born 7 Dec 1855 Bermondsey according to familysearch.org. She was daughter of Robert Ruler 1823c Bermondsey and Elizabeth Moss 1820 Rotherhithe. I know she had a sister Elizabeth Burnett Ruler born 14/8/1842 Bermondsey. Thanks Sandra *********************************************** Sorry struggling to find them..will try and come back to this later Pen x

Jeanette Hi, That is rather a large list of look ups, I will try my best and then you might have to ask someone else offering look ups to follow through on the ones I have missed. Pen x

Patricia Taylor ********************* 2nd attempt 1881 for my ref - Name: Alice Webb Age: 30 Estimated birth year: abt 1851 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: James Gender: Female Where born: Kingston, Kent, England Civil parish: Kensington County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 3 Buckingham Mews Condition as to marriage: Married Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Dyer Wife Registration district: Kensington Sub-registration district: Kensington Town ED, institution, or vessel: 40c Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Alice Webb 30 Alice Webb 5 Charles Webb 3 Fred Webb 14 Croydon, Surrey, England George Webb 9 Harry Webb 1 James Webb 33 Thomas Webb 12 Croydon, Surrey, England ************************* 1871 Name: Alice Webb Age: 22 Estimated birth year: abt 1849 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: James Gender: Female Where born: Kingston, Kent, England Civil parish: Kensington Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Kensington Sub-registration district: Kensington Town ED, institution, or vessel: 36a Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 123 Household Members: Name Age Alfred Alexander 27 abt 1844 Chiselhurst, Kent, England Brother-in-law Samuel Cornwall 29 abt 1842 Brighton, Sussex, England Boarder Alice Webb 22 abt 1849 Kingston, Kent, England Wife Frederick Webb 4 abt 1867 Croydon, Surrey, England Son James Webb 24 abt 1847 Paddington, Middlesex, England Head Thomas Webb 2 abt 1869 Croydon, Surrey, England Son Also on the same census page are this family - might be a family connection .... Frances Webb abt 1811 Wendover, Buckinghamshire, England Wife John Webb abt 1806 Hertfordshire, England Head Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 44; Folio: 57; Page: 19; GSU roll: 824567. *************************************** 1861 unable to locate her on the 1861 Pen x

Hi Penelope Please could you look up census info on Isabella Harriet Ruler born 7 Dec 1855 Bermondsey according to familysearch.org. She was daughter of Robert Ruler 1823c Bermondsey and Elizabeth Moss 1820 Rotherhithe. I know she had a sister Elizabeth Burnett Ruler born 14/8/1842 Bermondsey. Thanks Sandra ************************************ Hi again Sandra, I have found her birth entry ( I think ?) on the BMD, I could not spot her, had to view the actual images, but think this must be her - Harriet Moss Ruler Rotherhithe 1d 504 March quarter 1856 I will try looking for a Harriet ........... real struggle this one... Have found a marriage for the birth I have found of Harriet Moss Ruler - Name: Harriet Moss Ruler Year of Registration: 1876 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: St Olave Southwark (1837-1901) County: London, Surrey Volume: 1d Page: 395 (click to see others on page) to one of these grooms - View Record John Allen 1876 Oct-Nov-Dec St Olave Southwark (1837-1901) London, Surrey View Record Charlotte Chater 1876 Oct-Nov-Dec St Olave Southwark (1837-1901) London, Surrey View Record Harriet Moss Ruler 1876 Oct-Nov-Dec St Olave Southwark (1837-1901) London, Surrey View Record William Walford 1876 Oct-Nov-Dec St Olave Southwark (1837-1901) London, Surrey ***************************************************** Any thoughts ?? I'm wondering what's going on, as the familysearch site gives this info , with a birthyear of 1850 not 1854 as your message ? ISABELLA HARRIET RULER Female -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: 14 OCT 1850 St James, Bermondsey, Surrey, England Christening: Death: Burial: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: ROBERT JOHN RULER Family Mother: ELIZABETH BURNETT MOSS Pen x Please see my second message further down ....

Sandra Message 2 of 2 *********** Found this family on the 1851, think it might be yours... 1851 Name: Robert Jno Rider Age: 5 Estimated birth year: abt 1846 Relation: Son Father's name: Robert Jno Mother's name: Elizabeth BT Gender: Male Where born: Newington, Surrey, England Civil parish: Bermondsey Ecclesiastical parish: St James County/Island: Surrey Country: England Registration district: Bermondsey Sub-registration district: St James ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 9 Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Rider 8 Elizabeth BT Rider 28 Isabella Harriett Rider 5 Mo Mary Ann Rider 3 Robert Jno Rider 28 Robert Jno Rider 5 Sarah Ann Rider 7 Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1560; Folio: 202; Page: 3; GSU roll: 174793 The image does however read Rider, BUT, it might of been miscopied when the info was copied into the enumeration books after the census was taken in 1851. The address is 5 Marigold Street Robert John Rider has the occupation of Engineer to a machinist so the Robert John matches the IGI info and the Elizabeth Bt - could be for Burnett. Isabella is down as 5 months ****************************** will try and locate on the 1861 ...... This looks like them ... will view the image Name: Isabella Rider Age: 10 Estimated birth year: abt 1851 Relation: Daughter Mother's name: Elizabeth Gender: Female Where born: Bermondsey, Surrey, England Civil parish: Bermondsey Ecclesiastical parish: St Pancras County/Island: Surrey Country: England Registration district: Bermondsey Sub-registration district: St James ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 215 Household Members: Name Age James Palmer 17 John Palmer 22 Sarah Palmer 45 All lodgers Sarah Palmer 8 Thomas Palmer 5 Elizabeth Rider 35 abt 1826 Rotherhithe, Surrey, England Head Elizabeth Rider 17 abt 1844 Bermondsey, Surrey, England Daughter Harriet Rider 5 abt 1856 Rotherhithe, Surrey, England Daughter *** This looks like the one I found the BMD for, You must of mixed up the birth dates Isabella Rider 10 abt 1851 Bermondsey, Surrey, England Daughter John Rider 3 abt 1858 Rotherhithe, Surrey, England Son Mary A Rider 13 abt 1848 Margton, Surrey, England Daughter Phillis Rider 7 abt 1854 Bermondsey, Surrey, England Daughter Robert J Rider 14 abt 1847 Margton, Surrey, England Son Sarah A Rider 16 abt 1845 Bermondsey, Surrey, England Daughter Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 320; Folio: 22; Page: 37; GSU roll: 542614. Address - 12 Norfolk Place **Image does read RULER Elizabeth the head is down as MAR - married *************************** 1871 can not spot them... this looks like the mother might of remarried View Record Mary Ann Hollands 1862 Oct-Nov-Dec Newington London, Surrey View Record John Humphrey Palmer 1862 Oct-Nov-Dec Newington London, Surrey View Record Elizabeth Burnett Ruler 1862 Oct-Nov-Dec Newington London, Surrey I think it's the mother and not the daughter, because this looks like the daughters DEATH - Death on BMD Name: Elizabeth Burnett Ruler Estimated birth year: abt 1842 Year of Registration: 1880 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun Age at Death: 38 District: Whitechapel County: London, Middlesex Volume: 1c Page: 223 (click to see others on page) This looks like her birth on BMD Name: Elizabeth Barnett Ruler Year of Registration: 1842 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep District: Bermondsey (1837-69) County: London, Surrey Volume: 4 Page: 9 (click to see others on page) ****************************************************** 1871 census - think this is them..... Name: John H Palmer Age: 32 Estimated birth year: abt 1839 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Elizabeth Gender: Male Where born: Kent, Lambeth, Surrey, England Civil parish: Bermondsey Ecclesiastical parish: St james County/Island: Surrey Country: England Registration district: St Olave Southwark Sub-registration district: St James Bermondsey ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 76 Household Members: Name Age Harris Buler 15 daughter Rotherhithe, Surrey, England abt 1856 Isabel Buler 19 daughter Bermondsey, Surrey, England abt 1852 John Buler 13 Son-in-law Rotherhithe, Surrey, England abt 1858 Phebe Buler 17 Daughter Rotherhithe, Surrey, England abt 1854 Elizabeth Palmer 46 wife Kent, Lambeth, Surrey, England abt 1825 John H Palmer 32 head Kent, Lambeth, Surrey, England abt 1839 Thomas Palmer 7 son London Middx about 1864 Address - 49 Church Street/head occ - cooper - name is RULER Pen X