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Wow, thank you so much, that's loads of info for me to look at! I'll have a look myself at the BMD info, thanks for the tip :-) Fiona

Fiona Wynn **************** 1841 census Name: Thomas Wynn Age: 1 Estimated birth year: abt 1840 Household: View other family members Gender: Male Where born: Cheshire, England Civil parish: Tilston Hundred: Broxton (Higher Division) County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Source information: HO107/89/32 Registration district: Great Boughton Sub-registration district: Tattenhall ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Folio: 14 Page: 51 (click to see others on page) Line number: 17 GSU Number: 241232 Elizabeth Wynn abt 1830 Cheshire, England Tilston Cheshire Mary Wynn abt 1801 Cheshire, England Tilston Cheshire Mary Wynn abt 1837 Cheshire, England Tilston Cheshire Thomas Wynn abt 1840 Cheshire, England Tilston Cheshire William Wynn abt 1801 Cheshire, England Tilston Cheshire William Wynn abt 1834 Cheshire, England Tilston Cheshire *************************** 1881 Is this your Thomas and Family ? Name: Thomas Wynne Age: 40 Estimated birth year: abt 1841 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Mary Gender: Male Where born: Tilston, Cheshire, England Civil parish: Bradley County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Street address: Bradley Condition as to marriage: Married Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Ag Labr 4 Acres (Farmer) Registration district: Whitchurch Sub-registration district: Malpas ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Wynne 6 Ellis Wynne 8 George Wynne 2 Mary Wynne 35 Where born: Bradley, Cheshire, England Mary Wynne 9 Thomas Wynne 40 Thomas Wynne 12 ************************ 1871 for your ref - Name: Thomas Wynn Age: 31 Estimated birth year: abt 1840 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Mary Gender: Male Where born: Tilston, Cheshire, England Civil parish: Bradley Ecclesiastical parish: Tushingham St Chad County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Registration district: Whitchurch Sub-registration district: Malpas ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 13 Household Members: Name Age Mary Wynn 24 abt 1847 Where born: Hampton, Cheshire, England wife Mary Wynn 2 days abt 1871 Where born: Bradley, Cheshire, England daughter Thomas Wynn 31 Thomas Wynn 2 abt 1868 Where born: Bradley, Cheshire, England son William Wynn 5 abt 1866 Where born: Bradley, Cheshire, England son Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 2798; Folio: 35; Page: 8; GSU roll: 838847. I have taken a look at marriages on the BMD (which is free for you to look at on Ancestry) there are a few possibles marriages in that time frame. I think you might have to order a birth cert for one of the children to be sure of Marys maiden name. Have you checked the IGI on familysearch.org? Pen x

Hello! I'm looking for Thomas Wynn, born c.1841 in Cheshire. I know he had two children, George and Harry, and that he was married to Mary. What I would like to know is Thomas's parents, if possible, and any siblings. Can you do BMD searches too? If you can, I'd like to find his marriage to Mary and so Mary's maiden name, but if you can't no problems :-) Thanks, Fiona

Continued for Pam 1891 census Name: Jas Hack Age: 37 Estimated birth year: abt 1854 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: Battersea Civil parish: Islington Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephens Town: London County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Islington Sub-registration district: Upper Holloway ED, institution, or vessel: 28 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Chas Hack 10 abt 1881 Islington Son Isabel Hack 12 abt 1879 Islington Daughter Jas Hack 37 abt 1854 Battersea Head Jas Hack 14 abt 1877 Islington Son Lilian Hack 8 abt 1883 Islington Daughter Have viewed the image and - Address - 92 Farbridge or Tarbridge Road Occupation of head of house -Public elem school master Marital status - widower ************************** Death entry from the BMD Name: Isabel Hack Estimated birth year: abt 1851 Year of Registration: 1887 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar Age at Death: 36 District: Islington County: Greater London, London, Middlesex Volume: 1b Page: 171 (click to see others on page) ************************************************** 1901 census Name: Lilian Hack Age: 18 Estimated birth year: abt 1883 Relation: Daughter Father's name: James Gender: Female Where born: Islington, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Islington Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Islington Sub-registration district: Upper Holloway ED, institution, or vessel: 29 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 422 Household Members: Name Age Charles Hack 20 abt 1881 Islington, Middlesex, England Son Isabel Hack 22 abt 1879 Islington, Middlesex, England Daughter James Hack 47 abt 1854 Battersea, Surrey, England Head James H Hack 24 abt 1877 Islington, Middlesex, England Son Lilian Hack 18 abt 1883 Islington, Middlesex, England Daughter Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 163; Folio: 32; Page: 55. Have viewed the image and - Address - 92 Fairbridge Road Occupation of head of house - school master Marital staus of James - Widower The good thing is that looking at the image I can tell you that he shares the house with some of the Davis siblings, yipee. The people listed are above him in order - Emma S Davis abt 1848 Westminster, London, England Head Evaline E Davis abt 1860 Plumstead, Kent, England Sister Evaline M Jay abt 1880 Islington, London, England Niece Lottie J Jay abt 1881 Islington, London, England Niece Unfortunatly no Edwin amongst them, lol. Pen x p.s please could you just double check your info when posting, thank u x

Added by Pamela Ward on 18/01/2007 14:02:21 Hi Pen Thanks for recent info. It is the Davis/Davies line I am following. I have got main thread of family now trying to tie in brothers and sisters of Walter Davis (My G.Grandfather). Trouble is about that time they decided to add the e to their name. Some seem to be born without and died with.I have only got info from BMD on Edwin's marriage. Could you please find info on Isabel Hack(Another sister)born 1851 in Westminster although 1881 states born Plumpstead but that is where the family moved to married to Charles E Hack. 1891 and 1901 Census. I would like occupation and address if possible. Many thanks Pamela ************************************************************* Message 1 of 2 Pam Hi when did she marry Charles Hack, I can not see them in 91 and 1901...really struggling with this one. Pen x Please paste details of the 1881 census *********************************************** Posyted for MY ref 1861 Household Members: Name Age Alfred S Davis 7 Charles Davis 49 abt 1812 Where born: St George IN The East, Middlesex, England Charles Davis 16 Charlott Davis 12 Edwin Davis 9 Emma L Davis 14 Evalene E Davis 1 Isabel Davis 11 abt 1850 Where born: Westminster, Middlesex, England Mary A Davis 43 abt 1818 Where born: Westminster, Middlesex, England Walter G Davis 5 ************************ 1871 Household Members: Name Age Alfred S Davis 16 Caroline E Davis 11 Charles Davis 59 Charlotte Davis 22 Edwin Davis 18 Emma Davis 24 Isabel Davis 20 Mary A Davis 53 Walter G Davis 14 ********************************************** All I can find is this possible marriage to a James Thomas Hack -NOT a Charles though - ?? Isabel Davis 1875 Oct-Nov-Dec Islington Greater London, London, Middlesex Ann Flack 1875 Oct-Nov-Dec Islington Greater London, London, Middlesex James Thomas Hack 1875 Oct-Nov-Dec Islington Greater London, London, Middlesex Francis Burdett Norbury 1875 Oct-Nov-Dec Islington Greater London, London, Middlesex ************************* I think you have supplied me with incorrect info regarding the grooms forenames ! 1881 Name: James T. Hack Age: 27 Estimated birth year: abt 1854 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Isabel Gender: Male Where born: Battersea, Surrey, England Civil parish: Islington County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 21 Hargrave Rd Condition as to marriage: Married Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: School Master (Certificate From Whitehall) Registration district: Islington Sub-registration district: Islington West ED, institution, or vessel: 74 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Charles E. Hack abt 1881 Where born: Islington, Middlesex, England Isabel Hack 29 Isabel M. Hack 2 abt 1879 Where born: Islington, Middlesex, England James H. Hack 4 abt 1877 Where born: Islington, Middlesex, England James T. Hack 27 Continued on next message -

Hi, sorry for the delay, we live in a village and were effected by the storm yesterday - power cut. Have spent the day patching up one of our greenhouses and helping neighbours with trees and roofs. Hope your all safe and ok. Pen x

Hi Pen Thanks for recent info. It is the Davis/Davies line I am following. I have got main thread of family now trying to tie in brothers and sisters of Walter Davis (My G.Grandfather). Trouble is about that time they decided to add the e to their name. Some seem to be born without and died with.I have only got info from BMD on Edwin's marriage. Could you please find info on Isabel Hack(Another sister)born 1851 in Westminster although 1881 states born Plumpstead but that is where the family moved to married to Charles E Hack. 1891 and 1901 Census. I would like occupation and address if possible. Many thanks Pamela

Hello again Penelope, We think alike. The GRO did a search for Rosetta's birth for 1899 and a year each side, looking specifically for Alfred Bellett as the father, they found nothing. Son Peter b.1935 lost both his parents within a year when he was just aged 17, so his memories of the family have faded some. He has their original death certificates and he is the informant on both. Rosetta's shows her father's occupation as 'a Shoe Factory Porter (Deceased).' Stange as they never married yet they lived as a family untill their deaths, maybe as you suggest that really wasn't her name?? He has no certificates or names of grandparents so I think these would have gone to her siblings. Peter lived with 'auntie Nell' for a few months after his mum's death then joined the RAF. I've had no luck searching for her either! I guess we may not solve this untill 1911 census is released! Thank you so much for your input, David....

Hi Pen Thanks for your time, very much appreciated. Pollyx

Added by Little Polly on 17/01/2007 22:07:14 Thanks Pen I found the marriage too in 1875, discarded it, then last week I went for Amelia Leese birth certificate 1881 Preston, mother Maria Leese late REDFERN formerly WALTON, could well be their marriage after all. I found a Hannah Lees chr 1871 Garston Henry Lees & Maria, maybe she went under the name of Walton? Polly *************************** Sorry Polly - still unable to locate them for you on the 1871 Pen x

Hi Pen, Thanks again for your help. I really appreciate it Judith

David ******* Sorry David - I don't know what to suggest next - apart from - I would order the birth cert for Rosetta Pretoria Bellett Bethnal Green 1900 Dec and specify that I only want the cert if the father has Alfred in his name. That way if it's not the one you are seeking you will just part with £3.00 rather then the usual £7.00. At least you could then completly rule that out. After all Alfred might of been a Charles Alfred or Alfred Charles. The other possible is that she was born out of wedlock and then took Alfreds name. Do you have a christian name for the mother or does your rellie have any ideas? Anything, getting desperate now...The other possible is to locate Alfred (if it is definatly Alfred') death certificate and see who the informant was and address occupation etc. Pen x

Hi Penelope, Yes iv'e scrolled through the free BMD looking for her birth without any luck. Also tried obvious derivatives/spelling mistakes for Bellett. Can't think what else to try? David.

Thanks Pen I found the marriage too in 1875, discarded it, then last week I went for Amelia Leese birth certificate 1881 Preston, mother Maria Leese late REDFERN formerly WALTON, could well be their marriage after all. I found a Hannah Lees chr 1871 Garston Henry Lees & Maria, maybe she went under the name of Walton? Polly

Added by Little Polly on 17/01/2007 21:00:10 Hi Pen Thanks for your kind offer again. 1871 Census Please I'm looking for Henry Leese ( lees, leece....) he was born abt 1842 Kidsgrove Stafford. His wife may have been Maria who was born Gibralta . A child named Annie was born abt 1867 at Derby then Hannah born 1871 at Garston, Lancs. They may have been in Derby or Garston in 1871. Many thanks Polly *************************************************** 1881 for my ref Name: Henry Leese Age: 38 Estimated birth year: abt 1843 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Maria Gender: Male Where born: Kidgrove, Staffordshire, England Civil parish: Preston County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 66 Wellington St West Condition as to marriage: Married Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Forgeman At Works Registration district: Preston Sub-registration district: St John ED, institution, or vessel: 24 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Amelia Leese abt 1881 Where born: Preston, Lancashire, England Annie Leese 14 Where born: Derbyshire, England abt 1867 Blanch Leese 8 Hannah Leese 10 Garston, Lancashire, England Henry Leese 38 Margaret Leese 7 abt 1874 Where born: Garston, Lancashire, England Maria Leese 32 abt 1848 Where born: Gibraltar Wm.H. Leese 3 abt 1878 Where born: Preston, Lancashire, England ************************************************** a possible marriage - Hannah Cox 1875 Jan-Feb-Mar Wolverhampton Shropshire, Staffordshire, West Midlands Thomas Guest 1875 Jan-Feb-Mar Wolverhampton Shropshire, Staffordshire, West Midlands Henry Leese 1875 Jan-Feb-Mar Wolverhampton Shropshire, Staffordshire, West Midlands Maria Walton 1875 Jan-Feb-Mar Wolverhampton Shropshire, Staffordshire, West Midlands Sorry can't spot them on the 1871 at the mo, will come back to this tommorow as my eyes are getting tired. Pen x

Jacqueline Gibson *********************** Hi Pen I wonder if you could help me again!!!!! I am looking for Charles Firth b.1882c. Bradford area. Married to Ann/Annie. His parents are Walter Firth and Elizabeth ??? Dont know her maiden name. I cant find them anywhere. Could you please have a look at census? Thank you so much Jackie *************************************************** From the 1881 census - there are two possible sets of parents ... Name: Walter Firth Age: 22 Estimated birth year: abt 1859 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Elizabeth Gender: Male Where born: Kippax, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Leeds County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address: 63 Primrose Rd Condition as to marriage: Married Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Cabinet Maker Registration district: Leeds Sub-registration district: North Leeds ED, institution, or vessel: 67 Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Firth 22 abt 1859 Where born: Kippax, Yorkshire, England Frances Firth Walter Firth 22 OR ... 1881 Name: Walter Firth Age: 25 Estimated birth year: abt 1856 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Elizabeth Gender: Male Where born: Huddersfield, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Lockwood County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address: Albert Street Condition as to marriage: Married Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Engine Tenter Registration district: Huddersfield Sub-registration district: Lockwood ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Household Members: Name Age Ben Firth 3 abt 1878 Huddersfield, Yorkshire, England Son Elizabeth Firth 23 abt 1858 Huddersfield, Yorkshire, England Wife Fred Firth 2 abt 1879 Huddersfield, Yorkshire, England Son Hiram Firth Huddersfield, Yorkshire, England Son Walter Firth 25 abt 1856 Huddersfield, Yorkshire, England Head Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 4387; Folio: 20; Page: 33; Line: ; GSU roll: 1342048. ************************** 1891 Name: Charles Firth Age: 9 Estimated birth year: abt 1882 Relation: Son Father's name: Walter Mother's name: Elizabeth Gender: Male Where born: Barnsley, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Barnsley Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter Town: Barnsley County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Barnsley Sub-registration district: Barnsley ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Household Members: Name Age Charles Firth 9 abt 1882 Barnsley, Yorkshire, England Son Elizabeth Firth 29 abt 1862 Barnsley, Yorkshire, England Wife Everleen Firth 2 abt 1889 Barnsley, Yorkshire, England Daughter Walter Firth 35 abt 1856 Barnsley, Yorkshire, England Head Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 3771; Folio 39; Page 16; GSU roll: 6098881. Pen x

Judith Harrison ****************** 1851 Name: Joshua Nudd Age: 6 Estimated birth year: abt 1845 Relation: Son Father's name: Robert Mother's name: Ann Gender: Male Where born: Hickling, Norfolk, England Civil parish: Hickling County/Island: Norfolk Country: England Registration district: Tunstead Sub-registration district: Ludham ED, institution, or vessel: 3b Household schedule number: 97 Household Members: Name Age Ann Nudd 47 abt 1804 Fleggburgh, Norfolk, England Wife James Nudd 15 abt 1836 Hickling, Norfolk, England Son John Nudd 19 abt 1832 Martham, Norfolk, England Son Joshua Nudd 6 abt 1845 Hickling, Norfolk, England Son Robert Nudd 45 abt 1806 Hickling, Norfolk, England Head Robert Nudd 23 abt 1828 Fleggburgh, Norfolk, England Son William Nudd 13 abt 1838 Hickling, Norfolk, England Son Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1808; Folio: 52; Page: 22; GSU roll: 207460. *********************** 1861 Name: Joshua Nudd Age: 17 Estimated birth year: abt 1844 Relation: Son Father's name: Robert Mother's name: Ann Gender: Male Where born: Hickling, Norfolk, England Civil parish: Hickling County/Island: Norfolk Country: England Registration district: Tunstead Sub-registration district: Ludham ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Household schedule number: 71 Household Members: Name Age Ann Nudd 59 abt 1802 Flegg Burgh, Norfolk, England Wife James Nudd 25 abt 1836 Hickling, Norfolk, England Son Joshua Nudd 17 abt 1844 Hickling, Norfolk, England Son Robert Nudd 57 abt 1804 Hickling, Norfolk, England Head Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 1197; Folio: 41; Page: 13; GSU roll: 542773. ****************************************************** 1871 Name: Joshua Nudd Age: 27 Estimated birth year: abt 1844 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Charity Gender: Male Where born: Hickling, Norfolk, England Civil parish: Hickling County/Island: Norfolk Country: England Registration district: Smallburgh Sub-registration district: Ludham ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Household schedule number: 9 Household Members: Name Age Charity Nudd 26 abt 1845 Hickling, Norfolk, England Wife Joshua Nudd 27 abt 1844 Hickling, Norfolk, England Head William Nudd 10 months abt 1870 Hickling, Norfolk, England Son Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 1793; Folio: 38; Page: 4; GSU roll: 830837. ****************************************************** Marriage from BMD Name: Charity Gibbs Year of Registration: 1870 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: Yarmouth (1837-1924) County: Norfolk Volume: 4b Page: 25 (click to see others on page) Name: Joshua Nudd Year of Registration: 1870 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: Yarmouth (1837-1924) County: Norfolk Volume: 4b Page: 25 (click to see others on page ***************************************************** 1891 Name: Joshua Nudd Age: 46 Estimated birth year: abt 1845 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Charity Gender: Male Where born: Hickling, Norfolk, England Civil parish: Hickling Ecclesiastical parish: Hickling Town: Hickling County/Island: Norfolk Country: England Registration district: Smallburgh Sub-registration district: Ludham ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Household Members: Name Age Charity Nudd 45 abt 1846 Hickling, Norfolk, England Wife Charles H Nudd 8 abt 1883 Hickling, Norfolk, England Son George S Nudd 6 abt 1885 Hickling, Norfolk, England Son Joshua Nudd 46 abt 1845 Hickling, Norfolk, England Head Joshua Nudd 14 abt 1877 Hickling, Norfolk, England Son Rhoda Nudd 15 abt 1876 Hickling, Norfolk, England Daughter Sarah Ann Nudd 10 abt 1881 Hickling, Norfolk, England Daughter Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 1506; Folio 38; Page 11; GSU roll: 6096616. Pen x

Penelope, Got to put Rosetta's great granddaughter to bed so will check back with you later. Thanks a million for your help. David....

Hi Pen Thanks for your kind offer again. 1871 Census Please I'm looking for Henry Leese ( lees, leece....) he was born abt 1842 Kidsgrove Stafford. His wife may have been Maria who was born Gibralta . A child named Annie was born abt 1867 at Derby then Hannah born 1871 at Garston, Lancs. They may have been in Derby or Garston in 1871. Many thanks Polly

Tracy Cunliffe ******************** Hi Penelope. I was wondering if you could find a Ester Foster born in St Helens Merseyside in 1854 you have kindly looked for her once before and that one was born in Preston. Many Thanks Tracy. ********************************* Hi are we looking for her on the 1861 ? Pen x **UPDATE there is this one on the 1861 Name: Esther Foster Age: 6 Estimated birth year: abt 1855 Relation: Daughter Father's name: William Mother's name: Mary Gender: Female Where born: Habergham Eaves, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Habergham Eaves Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Burnley Sub-registration district: Burnley ED, institution, or vessel: 46 Household schedule number: 173 Household Members: Name Age Esther Foster 6 Mary Foster 42 abt 1819 Where born: Rufford, Lancashire, England wife William Foster 32 abt 1829 Where born: Cockerham, Lancashire, England head Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 3073; Folio: 62; Page: 41; GSU roll: 543074. ******************************************* there is also this one .... Name: Easther Foster Age: 7 Estimated birth year: abt 1854 Relation: Daughter Father's name: John Mother's name: Sarah Gender: Female Where born: Hunslet, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Hunslet Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Hunslet Sub-registration district: Hunslet ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Household schedule number: 228 Household Members: Name Age Easther Foster 7 Elizabeth Foster 5 abt 1856 Hunslet, Yorkshire, England Daughter James Foster 15 abt 1846 Hunslet, Yorkshire, England Son Jane Foster 1 abt 1860 Hunslet, Yorkshire, England Daughter John Foster 41 abt 1820 Hunslet, Yorkshire, England Head Jospeh Foster 17 abt 1844 Hunslet, Yorkshire, England Son Mary Foster 6 abt 1855 Hunslet, Yorkshire, England Daughter Sarah Foster 38 abt 1823 Hunslet, Yorkshire, England Wife Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 3367; Folio: 67; Page: 40; GSU roll: 543121. *******************************************************