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Hi Jan Got your certificates as you know! Waiting with you for news from Moira. Did see the search in Scotland that you have put up tonight, but discounted it after 1861. Good Luck on Scotland's People Site, it is easy to get round once you are used to it. However as names repeat so often and mistranscriptions and phonetic spelling rule it can get very confusing for a time. Speak Soon Love Janice x

Hi Everyone - the latest from my end- Debra V lk did a search for Janet Morrison for me and came up with:- 1841 Agness Morrison abt 1835 Stirlingshire, Scotland Campsie 475 Janet Morrison abt 1806 ' ' ' ' ' ' Janet MORRISON abt 1837 ' ' ' ' ' ' Jean Morrison abt 1839 ' ' ' ' ' ' John Morrison abt 1806 ditto Occupation ENGINE KEEPER John Morrison abt 1840 ditto William Morrison abt 1832 ditto Adress Mackroft Kouan Trse Fandt ------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1851 ED: 4 Page 55 Household schedule number :199 Line 19 Roll CSSCT1851_99 Household Members Christina Marison 7 DAU Janet Marison 46 WI Janet MARISON 14 DAU CALICO PRINTFIELD WORKER Jean Marison 12 DAU CALICO PRINTFIELD WORKER John Marison 48 HD ENGINEER John Marison 10 SON Mary Marison 5 DAU William Marison 19 SON CALICO PTINRFIELD MACHINE ENGRAVERS LABOURER address no 3 (that's all it says) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1861 ED: 10 Page 33 Household schedule number :173 Line 14 Roll: CSSCT 1861_63 Household Members: Margaret Campbell 14 NIECE Agnes Morrison 25 DAU DOMESTIC SERVANT Janet Morrison 57 WI JANET MORISON 23 DAU PRINTFIELD WORKER Jean Morrison 21 DAU PRINTFIELD WORKER John Morrison 60 HD COTTON MANUFACTURER John Morrison 18 SON PRINTFIELD LABOURER Address Whitefield ____________________________________ So if Janet Morrison/Marison is in Scotland at the time of the census, she cannot be the Janet Morrison that we were looking for, and as far as I can tell this was the only Janet Morrison born at the right time! ________________________________________________ I put up a request for a search on Joanne Cousins's thread and she is looking for John Birkett, she thinks that she may have found him in 1851 living as a boarder with a woman and her child, as soon as I get something definate from her I'll stick it up. Hope you are all well Take Care love Jan x

Good morning everyone. I am off to put some more credits on the Scotlands People, I have never been very successful on this site, but you never know, I might get lucky. Beyond that I really don't know what to do, except wait until to see what Moira comes up with from the South Shields Office. I am convinced that the key to solving the mystery is finding John Birkett Jnr's birth certificate. I have never seen one, but it appears that Scottish birth certificates carry a lot more information. The only John Morson born in the right time frame is the one Janice sent me, born in June 1860 in Auckland. If by Auckland they mean Bishop's Auckland there is always a possibility that a pregnant young Janet Morson left Scotland and had her illegitimate son in the North-East of England and then met John Birkett. Actually I shouldn't go there, all this speculation is bad for the sanity, I could go on forever with 'what if's ' and 'maybe's' If any of you can think of something that I should be doing please tell me. Love Jan x

Hi Janice, Moira and Mhairi I have sent you all the certificates, (although 2 of the 3 I sent to Moira have been returned as 'mailbox full') Please let me know if they turn up I've been told that I have to turn the computer off in 5 minutes !!!!!!!!! It appears that some people need some sleep even if I don't !! In all fairness the computer is in the bedroom so I suppose I should be reasonable, besides I'm exhausted Good night Jan x

Hi JANICE, I have e-mailed the certs to you. Thanks MHAIRI, will send them as soon as I get your address Hi MOIRA, your mail box is full! (wish I was that popular). The e-mail I sent you was returned, you may want to think about deleteing some stuff, or moving it into a new folder out of the way. Love Jan x

Hi Jan Yes, send it through you never know? Janice xx

Jan, Would love a copy of the cert, not sure it would help thoiugh. will pm you my email. Mhairi

Not sure...there was an Agnes Morson born to an Agnes Morson in 1862. The mother i think would be Janet's sister. Mhairi

Hello Everyone This is going to be short and sweet, a combination of pain and painkillers is making it difficult to concentrate but I wanted to express my heartfelt thanks to you all AND I've had an idea! (Rare even when I don't feel like I've just been run over by 15 trucks) I've recieved a copy of Dorothy Ann Birketts birth certificate from Moira (thanks cousin) I have just sent her a copy of Elizabeth Birkett's birth certificate (hope I didn't mess it up) And I was wondering if it would help in anyway if I sent JANICE (Hi Janice) and MHAIRI ( Hi Your Majesty) a copy of the certs. Let me know if you think it might help, I will be flitting around the computer for about half an hour but then I will have to give up and go to bed. Love and gratitude to you all. Jan :) xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Hi Mhairi OK opened it up with my left over credits, and her is what I found. Marriage in the Parish of Campsie in County of Stirling. 31st of December 1886. James Kirk. Ironstone Miner. Agnes Morson X marks her signature. Agnes gave her age as 22yrs. Witness William Stark & Jane Dickinson, Dairymaid. Mother given as Agnes Morson. deceased. Afterwards married to William McEwan (deceased) Signed John McIntyre & Jessie McEwan Witness. So does this look like the baby of Janet Morson to you Mhairi? Love Janice x

Hi Mhairi There is a Marriage in 1886 Agnes Morson to James Kirk, in Sterling. Not opened it up to look who parents are, but she is there. It could be her? Janice x

There was an Agnes Morson born to a Janet Morson, what happened to her? I looked on SP but couldnt see a death or her in the 1861. Staying with another relative? Changed name? Mhairi

Hi Jan Re-checked the Janet Morson to REED marriage and spelling is different REID. So re-ran the deaths & census checks, but far too many to be sure without spending cash. I would however discount this Janet on the grounds of her signing her name herself. Janice x

Hi Moira Yes, Jan said she alway's signed X but so did Janet Morson's Family on Records located in Scotland. It is very common back then to find Families who could not read or write. Also very common to find mistrancriptions of names and phonetic spelling. Janice xx

Hi, not sure if I mentioned it but Janet signed X the mark of Janet Birkett mother on Dorothy Ann's certificate. Moira

Jan Janet Morson NOT There 1861. Checked for Janet Morson there in 1851 and only three Found. Janet Morson age 6yrs, Clackmannan Janet Morson age 20yrs Kirkintilloch NO IMAGE Janet Morson age 17yrs Cadder/Lanark. Rechecked Janet Morson Marriages which I have already sent you and informed you of through previous thread. The funny thing is that Janet Morson who married in 1858 to Reed is 27yrs, which matches up with Janet Morson age 20yrs in 1851 census. Plus I ran a Census check for Janet Reed in 1861 and she is not there? Plus checked deaths for Janet Reed just incase she had past away, and she is not there either? One wonders if Janet Morson was Morson? Did she marry Reed and then leave for England? Did Janet Reed have a child called John to her Scottish Husband? One thing against Janet Morson who married REED is that she did sign her name on marriage certificate, and not a X Still looking Janice P.S.Agree with Mhairi all certificates shoud be checked.

hmmm...I still think your going to have to check all the other births and see what the mothers maiden name is on each one. Regards Janet Morson, if she's not on the 1861 Scottish census and hasnt married or died then where is she? Mhairi

Hi Moira The plot thickens with this information. Perhaps Jan should take the other birth certificate back to them and ask why that one say's Morson, considering it is the same Mother? Jan also said that she was going to check Scoltalnd's People site for Janet Morson still in Scotland in 1861, when her Janet was in England with John Birkett. Well, I ran a check for Janet Morson and there were NONE FOUND in Scotland. Even when I ran search for all areas the result was still NONE Found. Love Janice

Hi, Lillian, South Shields Registrars 0ffice, confirmed it was definitely Janet Morrison on Dorothy Ann's certificate. Moira

Hi Moira Glad to see you are looking into things. Janice