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Hi Mhairi I think you are probably right, but proof is everything isn't it, There were a number of branches of the MORSON family in Campsie, and many of them had Janet's. I haven't put the whole lot down because before I got a chance to Moira's certificate popped up with the name MORRISON and put a halt to everything. The Morson's are weird in that they had a James Morson 1725 marrying an Agness Millar, they have ? kids, one of which is a James Morson 1757 who has a son James Morson 1796 who marrys an Agnes Miller (or is it the other way round, it's hard to keep it straight in my head). All Morson/Miller/Millar alliances produce children called James, John Agnes and Janets. James Morson 1796 was Laird of Kirkintillock. he mentions his daughter Janet in his will I think, but although I have downloaded the will I haven't transcribed it all. It's all too complicated for me. At the moment I'm still trying to find John BIRKETT pre 1861, I think I have him in 1851 as a 24 year old labourer, lodging in Back of Kiln Lane, Skirton Lancaster, and there is a chance that he was living in Runcorn, Cheshire during the 1841 census, but that's all a bit in the air at the moment. I'm not sure where Runcorn is in relation to Lancaster (another of the things I'm useless at -geography) so I have no idea if this is likely. Hope everything is good with you. Jan x p.s did you get the certificates I e-mailed you?

Hey Jan Personally i still think its Morson, thats just me though. In your previous thread you said something about the Morson's possibly being related to the Lairds of Kirkintillock (my apologises to anyone who lives there, i couldnt spell to save my life). Are there any wills/testements that might mention Janet? Or even a mention on the family grave/lair? Mhairi

Hi Everyone Here is the latest news Moira has just recieved MARY JANE BIRKETT's (sister to my ELIZABETH and her DOROTHY ANN) birth certificate back and it also says mother's maiden name MORRISON. Moira has offered to order some more certs, and I could order some from the GRO, but I really don't think there is point in doing that, as I can't see that it would prove anything one way or another. The JANET MORRISON that I thought it was likely to be is impossible as she was still in Scotland at the time of the 1862 census. I am not totally convinced that we weren't right with JANET MORSON in the first place. But I can't see a way to prove it one way or the other. I still feel that the only way that could help is if we manage to find the birth of young JOHN or the marriage of JANET to JOHN BIRKETT. I think that there is a chance that we will never know one way or another. Unless one of you has any ideas, I think that that could be the end of that particular branch of the tree. Still there are lots of other twigs to pull! Any suggestions, or have we exhausted them all? Jan xx

Hi Jan If you back track onto your original thread you will see on Page three that Mhairi gave you the same information as Lorna. Agnes Morson born illigitimate to Janet Morson age 22 yrs in Campsie. Child born 12/05/1855 I think? There was also one that was born and died there Margaret if I recall correctly. Now do you not think it odd that I have also located a Agness Birkett born in S Shields who also died, which could be connected to Birkett Family or indeed Janet & Johns Child. Typical thing in Scotland if they lose a child to call another later child by the same name. Janice Sleep Tight x

I'm off to bed, I can't cope with any more flipping Birketts at the moment, the drugs just aren't that good. MOIRA there are millions of Birketts in Cullercoats, we'll be here until we are old and grey - hang on I am old and grey. By the way Moira I have added some of the more recent relatives to the tree if you want to look. My Aunt, her husband and his parents (from Kuala Lumpur - slightly more exotic than South Shields) And unlike Janet Morson/Morrison these are definately related to you, or more correctly-your husband. Lorna Forbes has just MSN'd me to say that her Jannet Morson had an illigitimate daughter (AGNES), I can't remember the date I think she said about 1895 On that note I will take my leave and bid you all goodnight Love Jan x

Hi everyone, you think Jan has problems, when we have solved the Birkett/Morrison/Morsons on my husband's family tree I have Birketts of Cullercoats on my side you might need to sort out. You will all be sick of the name Birkett by the time we are done!!!Regards Moira Was that the sound of a few computers I just heard being switched off?

Alway's Look on The Bright Side of Life as my Dear Friend Anne always said! Optimistic is my Middle Name. My Friend died in September after four years of suffering pain and she always said this. Never stopped smiling and hoping and I have taken a leaf out of her book. Never give in. Janice x

Very Good Advice Jan x

Jan Just been looking on Ancestry at Census details for John Birkett and in 1841 there is a 20 yr old John in ULVERSTONE Lancashire. All similiar names and some birth registration details are not that clear to make out. Ulverston/Ulverton/Ulverstone. The death does look like Ulverston though? That 1841 census with John age 20 has siblings down called James, Edward & many more. Just wondered with there being an Edward & James in the children? Janice x

Hi Janice Well done ! It could be like you said they are family names, but you never know with this family, after all as of today Ohg Cheng Choon, Ong Ah Wah and Poh Ah Han are also family names! Love Jan x

Mhairi I apologise for your empty bottles under the bed It was indeed the Pink Panther. Sorry, the drugs have turned my head - I can't stop giggling Love Jan x

Jan! You'll have everyone thinking i'm an alcoholic *hides empty bottles under the bed* What i tried to post was http://www.pjoiner.demon*co*uk/genuki/DUR/Redmarshall/index.html Silly GR messed up the address. And when you hear the word Durham, do you not just want to start singing/humming - its the Pink Panther theme isnt it? Mhairi

Looked again and it is Ulverston NOT Ulverton. That is in the Lake District? Checked quarter before September 1889 and one there as well but registered in Poplar age 66yrs. Go with the S Shields death one you found already, this may refer to another John Birket being Buried. Janice xx

Never a dull moment. 63/64 age not that far out, but just been looking for death in 1889 December Quarter thinking if he was buried in November, he must be registered in December Quarter. One there ok but it say's age 71 and registered in Ulverton. The November date you have is buriel date, not death date, but you would think they have to be close to actual date otherwise where would he be untill they buried him? Janice x

Hi Everyone HEALTH ALERT Mhairi has finally lost the plot, she 's in Durham and alcohol mode, I think my ineptitude has just pushed her over the edge! Please send lots of love and hugs until she regains her marbles. Jan XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Mhairi, if you are in control of your faculties I apologise for casting aspersions Jan :)

Hi Jan Wow at last something leading the right way. Must be in Durham then? Hey Mhairi Janice x

Now I'm getting cross. The burial index can't be the one because I have John's death as third quarter 1888 South Shields vol10a page 319 age 63 years. Why can't anything about this bl--dy man be simple? Love 'Irritated of Bristol' :(

Durham Durham, Durham, Durham Durham Durham Durham Durham, do do do do dooooo...cough cough - excuse me :) http://www.pjoiner.demon.co.uk/genuki/DUR/Redmarshall/index.html Mhairi ps - No, i've not been drinking

Hi All I've found the reference to John in the National Burial Index I have John BIRKETT age 64, burial date 24th Nov 1889. Burial place Redmarshall, St Cuthbert. (No idea where that is). So now I can find and order his death certificate, although I don't know now much info there is on a death cert, at least it's a start. I did get my Aunt and Uncles death cert's yesterday and they seem quite detailed. Date and place of birth as well as the death (obviously). So you never know we might get something Hope you are all well. Jan x

Hi Everyone Joanne Cousins may have found John Birkett Snr. in the 1851 census She has John Birkett born abt 1827, Lancaster, Lancashire, boarder in SKERTON, living with a JANE WHIATSON and her daughter. That's as much as she's got at the moment. I will keep you up to date as stuff comes in. I'm off to bed now, so goodnight to you all. Take Care Love Jan x