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NO, its the ALFRED that married ROSE , still at home with HIS mum. (I'm begining to confuse myself now!!)<<lots the plot, Can someone sort this please So maria would be Granny to ALFRED & ROSE's children, Jean Gloria and David<incorrect

Ann, This must be Alberts dad you are talking about! Wow im so confused lol Jo

Jodi GRO WAR DEATHS (ARMY - OTHER RANKS) Pumprett, Albert A Pte No. 6204865 Middx R. Year: 1942 Volume: 7 Page: 157 If you apply to GRO you will receive a death certificate. Usually, but not always, they are very abbreviated compared to a 'normal' one, however there's always the possibility it will provide you with further information. Denis

Denis, Thankyou for your help. Jo

Ann, You put in reply this, There is MARRIAGE for a ALFRED JOHN PUMFRETT & ROSE AMELIA PARKS, also in west ham.in 1906 Which must be the parents as my nan did say Alberts mums name is Rose amelia and she dont know the dads name. But im confused with the next bit you put, NOW this is guess work. In 1901 census there is an ALFRED PUMFRETT In WEST HAM with his mother called MARIA PUMFRETT Is this Alberts Dad with his mum? sorry, i know im a nuiscance. Jo

Let me try this. albert Pumfrett BORN 1914 His mothers maiden name listed as PARKS. There is MARRIAGE for a ALFRED JOHN PUMFRETT & ROSE AMELIA PARKS, also in west ham.in 1906 NOW this is guess work. In 1901 census there is an ALFRED PUMFRETT In WEST HAM with his mother called MARIA PUMFRETT, a widow In 1891 census he is in WEST HAM again, with a MOTHER MARIA and a father JAMES ( all down as Pom not PUMfrett)

Denis, Awww yes please, id love the details. Thankyou very much. Joanne

Hi I'm not clear how much information you have on the death of Albert A in 1942 as you seem to have been sent info off the thread. However, I note that someone said that as he was killed in action he would not appear in the GRO index. That's not the case. I have the GRO details, although it's possible someone has emailed them to you already. Would you like them? Denis

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Ok, Let me see if ive got this all correct as ive got my nan to tell this all to lol. Albert Arthur Pumfrett Born abt 1914 Mmn Parks West ham Mothers name Roseamelia Paks and fathers name might of been Alfred John Pumfrett Married To Joan Gambles in 1936 Had 3 children Jean 1936 Gloria 1938 and David 1941 Roseamelias birth in 1883 at West ham And if father was Alfred his birth 1882 There is a Charles and Elizabeth Pumfrett in 1891 census but no son, would these be Alfreds parents? Albert had siblings, Rose Eveline, we have found and 2 brothers Albert we have and Alfred and Harry that hasnt been found. Ive got a headache lol Would i be right or wrong? Jo

Ann, Now im really confused lol. Rosemaria married Albert!!!! My nan said that was his mums name!!!!!!! and she dont know the dads name. Jo

No Rose Amelia married him , she wasnt his mother!

Ann, Wow you have been busy. Is confusing isnt it! im really confused now lol. You said, 1901 shows what i THINK is your Albert with his widowed Mother maria.1891 shows his father too + various sibling, is the maria short for rosemelia? Thankyou for finding out more information, you said you think you have found rose parks with her parents is that on a census? I stopped at 31 lol coz was so many and all in west ham which is mad, wonder if they are all related lol, nah probably not. Thanx for all the information, i cant keep up lol. Jo

I guess this is Winnie's marriage Pumfrett Winifred W. Ham 4a 241 she married either William Reed or John Sparks Marriages Mar 1906 So you could look for Reed or Sparks birth with MMn Pumfrett Like wise Birtram he married either CARTER Edith Maude or CLAYDEN Annie W. Ham 4a 74 Marriages Dec 1907 So you want Pumfrett births with MMn either Carter or Claydon Update: found one , so he must have married Annie Claydon Ethel D Pumfrett: 1911 : Jul-Aug-Sep Mother's Maiden Name: Clayden District: West Ham County: Essex, Greater London Volume: 4a Page: 89 there are clues to be had, you just have to look for them!

yes, if i haven't got in a pickle and can now remember what i put 1901 shows what i THINK is your Albert with his widowed Mother maria.1891 shows his father too + various sibling. < The Alfred that married Rose Parks in 1906 that is hang on- Think i have also found Rose Parks, with her parents before she married its all guess work really - you need to send for a cert of two really to be sure ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 31? i can find you 45 births before we start on marriages and deaths!!

Ann ive got so far 31 Pumfrettes either born or married in West ham but none of them tell me the Mmn, how do i find out? Jo

Ann, Would that be Alberts father you mean that you have found for 1901? I find this very confusing sometimes especially when they follow names. Albert my nans uncle has got 2 brothers and 1 sister think you have found them! yes you have lol sorry im very forgetful, i have to keep looking back at the replies as you cant see them when replying if you know what i mean but you can on the emails. i think i will print this all of now so can look at it at same time as replying. Jo

There is an Albert Pumfrett lurking in West ham in 1901- maybe yours Name: Albert Pumfrett Age: 20 Estimated birth year: abt 1881 Relation: Son Mother's name: Maria Gender: Male Where born: Forest Gate, Essex, England Civil parish: West Ham Ecclesiastical parish: St James County/Island: Essex Registration district: West Ham Sub-registration district: Forest Gate ED, institution, or vessel: 32 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 71 Household Members: Name Age Charles Childs 18 George Childs 22 a car man (occ) Albert Pumfrett 20 Alfred Pumfrett 18 Bertie Pumfrett 14 Esther Pumfrett 9 Maria Pumfrett 52 WIDOW Winnie Pumfrett 16 Susan Shephard 20 --- same family in 1891 The U in Pumfrett looks like an O , but i'm sure it them me: Maria Pomfret Age: 43 Estimated birth year: abt 1848 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: James Gender: Female Where born: Winehish, Essex, England Civil parish: West Ham Ecclesiastical parish: St James County/Island: Essex Country: England Registration district: West Ham Sub-registration district: West Ham ED, institution, or vessel: 87 Household Members: Name Age Albert A Pomfret 11 Alfred J Pomfret 8 Bertram Pomfret 4 Frederick Pomfret 13 James Pomfret 42 < a farrier/Smith James W Pomfret 18 Joseph W Pomfret 20 Maria Pomfret 43 Mary Ann Pomfret 16 Winifred Pomfret 6 Sarah Rust 47 < a (something) in law. Sister? so when you get Alberts marriage cert - if you do- his father needs to be called James, and probably marked as deceaced on the cert

Ann, Thankyou so much again for looking for me. Is this the Marriage: PARKS Rose Amelia W. Ham 4a 89 Pumfrett Alfred John W. Ham 4a 89 June 1906 Rose Eveline is my Great nan, my nans mum, she was a lovle lady, i miss her very much.Thankyou for finding her birth for me. Sorry cant remember what else you wrote down now so i have to go back to it again. Its ok i remember now lol, yes the parents, my nan knows the name for Alberts mum which was Roseamelia but dosent know the name for the dad but looks like you might have found it now. Cant thankyou enough ANN. Jo

Name: Rose Eveline Pumfrett Year of Registration: 1909 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: West Ham County: Essex, Greater London Volume: 4a Page: 266 Looks like his dad was called Alfred John PARKS Rose Amelia W. Ham 4a 89 Pumfrett Alfred John W. Ham 4a 89 June 1906 Now you need Their parents names. Marriage cert would really help here. Probably Rose ameila's birth:- Name: Rose Amelia Parks Year of Registration: 1883 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: West Ham County: Essex, Greater London Volume: 4a Page: 171 **There is a Rose parks in Leytonstone, Essex in 1891 census - would that be West Ham district? ----- maybe Alfred John's birth reg Name: Alfred John Pumfrett Year of Registration: 1882 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep District: West Ham County: Essex, Greater London Volume: 4a Page: 107 A Charles and Elizabeth Pumfrett in Wham in 1891 census, but no son