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Have found when the first Ellen died Name: Ellen Riley Estimated birth year: abt 1878 Year of Registration: 1882 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep Age at Death: 4 District: Carlisle County: Cumbria, Cumberland Volume: 10b Page: 309 (click to see others on page) Regards Rachel

Have found birth entries for both Ellen's Name: Ellen Riley Year of Registration: 1878 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: Carlisle County: Cumbria, Cumberland Volume: 10b Page: 508 (click to see others on page) Name: Ellen Riley Year of Registration: 1883 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Carlisle County: Cumbria, Cumberland Volume: 10b Page: 477 (click to see others on page) Regards Rachel

Rachel, all the children that where born in Carlisle where registered in Carlisle, all i can find for Margaret is 1891 but it says Whiehaven Cumberland, its a a good 5 years after her birth year, and also for John born after her all i can find is 1889(which is right) but its registered in Bootle Cul Cumberland, have i not found the right two? The twins were born after these two and and they are registered in Carlisle as is Kate...they are both in the 1901 cencus so they didnt die. Kaz

Don't forget that on certificates, where a X is signed, its because the person couldn't write their name. Rachel

I think this is Margaret's birth. I know on the census it shows Margaret L Riley - she could have been known as Margaret Lizzie when her full name is Margaret Elizabeth Name: Margaret Elizabeth Riley Year of Registration: 1885 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Carlisle County: Cumbria, Cumberland Volume: 10b Page: 490 (click to see others on page) Regards Rachel

Here is John's birth Name: John Patrick Riley Year of Registration: 1888 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: Carlisle County: Cumbria, Cumberland Volume: 10b Page: 517 (click to see others on page) I know the year of birth looks wrong - however, its the only John P Riley born in Carlisle in the 1880's. Don't forget that not everyone told the truth about their ages (or those of their children). If you wanted to make sure this is the correct John Riley, you can ask to make sure that the mother's name is Ellen and the father is John. Regards Rachel

Ye mum id say that when she was here earlier rachel, do you think iv got the right Margaret and John? I have Thomas's marriage cert and it says he was 30 when he got married, i have him in the 1891 cencus but not in the 1901 think i know why, found a Thomas Riley in another 1891 cencus age 26 and he was in prison in Newcastle, occ steam engine maker fitter( pos done while in prison), maybe this is why he married so late??? And this is where he was originally born...grandparents may have still been there..

Wy couldnt i find them with that info, what site do you use Rachel?Thanks

This could be James getting married Marriage Index: 1837-1983 Name: James Riley Year of Registration: 1915 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun Spouse's Surname: Allan District: Carlisle County: Cumbria, Cumberland Volume: 10b Page: 1275 (click to see others on page) Marriage Index: 1837-1983 Name: Isabella Allan Year of Registration: 1915 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun Spouse's Surname: Riley District: Carlisle County: Cumbria, Cumberland Volume: 10b Page: 1275 (click to see others on page) Regards Rachel

Here's Isabella's birth Name: Isabella Allan Year of Registration: 1896 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: Carlisle County: Cumbria, Cumberland Volume: 10b Page: 510 (click to see others on page) and here she is living with her parents in 1901 Discover Your Family Story1901 England Census 1901 England Census Name: Isabella Allan Age: 4 Estimated birth year: abt 1897 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Thomas Mother's name: Mary J Gender: Female Where born: Carlisle, Cumberland, England Civil parish: Benwell Ecclesiastical parish: St James County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne Sub-registration district: Westgate ED, institution, or vessel: 72 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 213 Household Members: Name Age Agnes Allan 6 Isabella Allan 4 John Allan 14 Joseph Allan 12 Mary E Allan 8 Mary J Allan 44 Richard Allan 20 Thomas Allan 43 Thomas Allan 17 William Allan 18 John Porter 18 Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4777; Folio: 138; Page: 35. Regards Rachel

Kaz, I used Ancestry; and find that sometimes it works best if I type in the person's name on the first screen, and then select which type of record I'm interested in (Census or BMD). Don't forget that in the 1880's when people wanted to get married, they had to save their money, so they usually got a trade, then saved before getting married. It was fortunate if you married when you were 16 - it depended on your income and how much you had saved. Regards Rachel

Here is Thomas living as a boarder Discover Your Family Story1901 England Census 1901 England Census Name: Thomas Riley Age: 24 Estimated birth year: abt 1877 Relation: Boarder Gender: Male Where born: Carlisle, Cumberland, England Civil parish: Netherhall Ecclesiastical parish: Maryport St Mary Town: Maryport County/Island: Cumberland Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Single Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Cockermouth Sub-registration district: Maryport ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 80 Household Members: Name Age Ann Lister 43 Thomas Riley 24 - labourer (possibly brick?) Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4887; Folio: 121; Page: 14. I think this is your Thomas - look at where he was born, and estimated birth year. Regards Rachel

Kaz, Very sorry, but need to give the little grey cells a break now - will call it a night for now - will look again for you tomorrow. Keep me posted. Regards Rachel

thank you so much for all your help Rachel, it means alot...xx

Hi Rachel, this cant be my Thomas as the birth is Carlisle and he was born in Newcastle. I possibly found him in Barrow in Furness at the age of 28 as a boarder and it states he is married,(so maybe married twice) occ geen machinist. also found a pos marriage in 1900 but who to i dont know yet in Barrow Cumbria. also came up with a Thomas 26 occ Steam engine maker fitter in A M prison Newcastle. The Thomas in Barrow is the only one i cant find in 1901 born Newcastle. Regards Kaz x

Hi Kaz, Is this the Thomas you found 1901? Name: Thomas Riley Age: 28 Estimated birth year: abt 1873 Relation: Boarder Gender: Male Where born: Newcastle, Northumberland, England Civil parish: Barrow IN Furness Ecclesiastical parish: Barrow in Furness Town: Barrow IN Furness County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 15, Hindpool Road Occupation: Gun Machinist Condition as to marriage: Married Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Barrow in Furness Sub-registration district: Barrow in Furness ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 27 Household Members: Name Age John Brown 24 John Connaughton 22 Emily B Dixon 11 Henry G Findick 34 Thomas Harker 43 Elizabeth Henry 17 Albert E Hunt 22 Margaret Hunt 40 Robert W Hunt 58 >>>>>>>Thomas Riley 28 John Strickland 33 James A Walker 22 Regards Vera .

Morning Vera, ye thats the man, what do you think, is this my man? Kaz

Hi Kaz, Not sure if the Thomas in 1891 in Barrow is yours - you said that he was 30 when he married. If he was born in 1874 (as per the birth certificate), then he would marry in 1904. Its possible that he married in 1890 when he was 16 (he would need parental consent); the wife died, and then he married again when he was 30. What is the name of Thomas' wife on his marriage certificate? Regards Rachel

Hi Rachel,yes on his marriage certificate it says that he is 30 and his wife is 21, his wifes name is Dora Leathead, name change as on their daughters birth certificate it is Leathart, Thomas and Dora married on 29/July 1907, they had a son a month later, John, then my gran Dora in 1908 and then 5 more after that.The Thomas is Furness is the only one i can find that may fit,hes just disappeared from 1891-1907.Still havnt worked out if its him in the A M prison in Newcastle aged 26 in 1901 cencus. Regards Kaz

Hi Kaz, See what you mean about Thomas. I have found his and Dora's marriage entry - on Ancestry it states Dona not Dora. Anyway, they were married in the Tynemouth area of Northumberland. So, its possible that Thomas was living in this area before he married. Will now look to see if Thomas is on the 1901 census living in Tynemouth. Regards Rachel