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For anyone trying to find that 1871 record on Ancestry - his name's transcribed as Shiel.

I agree that the birthplace says Prussia.

Thomas in 1871 - although the transcription has his place of birth as Russia, Germany, there is no mention of Germany as such on the original. I believe it says Prussia which is perhaps where the Germany comes from though -

Wikipedia - Prussia was a German state located on most of the North European Plain, also occupying southern and eastern regions. It formed the German Empire when it united the German states in 1871.

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
George Street, Marylebone, London & Middlesex, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Wykes Head - Male 60 1811 Cab proprietor Huntingdonshire, England
Mary Wykes Wife - Female 47 1824 - Hatfield, Hertfordshire, England
Charles Wykes Son - Male 21 1850 - Huntingdonshire, England
Frances Wykes Daughter - Female 16 1855 - Kensington, Middlesex, England
Alfred Wykes Son - Male 13 1858 Scholar Kensington, Middlesex, England
Louisa Wykes Daughter - Female 11 1860 Scholar Kensington, Middlesex, England
William Wykes Son - Male 8 1863 Scholar Kensington, Middlesex, England
Thomas Thiel Lodger - Male 22 1849 Stableman Russia, Germany

Pauline

Many library services in the UK have free access to Ancestry and/or sometimes FMP

Ah thanks everyone for being so speedy! So Thomas' father was also Thomas. I don't have access to any paid things right now, but someone is going to delve a bit more.

I think the Ernest b 1819 may be related some way to Thomas the Elder.

Thomas Andrew Thiel
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1938
Name Thomas Andrew Thiel
Gender Male
Record Type Marriage
Marriage Date 31 Mar 1872
Marriage Place Saint Marylebone: Marylebone Road, Westminster, England
Father
Thomas Thiel [labourer ] <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Spouse
Cecilia Elizabeth Peirce
Register Type Parish Register

If he knew his father's name, it should be on his 1872 marriage cert

As you are probably aware you have added to a very old thread. Click on Anita's name and you can send her a pm.
As long as she has kept the same email address Genes will notify her.

If you look at Search/search all members trees you will find a Thiels in a number of trees. Some of whom were born in Germany & Poland. You are the only person to have Ernest 1819 in their tree.

Hi Anita

Have you had any feedback on this? I am just back on research and trying to find out information prior to his birth in Prussia.

I have a note that his father could be Ernst Thiel b. 1819, Southern Germany.

best wishes
Pauline

I am trying to find Thomas Andrew Thiel Born in Germany 1849 , I Know he was Married to Cecila Pearce in 1872 ,if anyone has anything prior or his birth certificate or how i can obtain a copy I would be very greatful. Anita