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Hi All,

After searching recently and using DNA research and also knowing what we already knew from our Grandmother, I am pretty certain that we can fill in all the blanks for Mary Elizabeth Platts after she left in 1922. I don't publicly want to put it on here for obvious reasons but if you would like this information, please reply or send me a message and I will update you with the facts from what I believe.

Best Regards,

Sandra.

Thanks for the info re 1939 register. i thought that i had found Mary Lizzie Coleman in Bridlington but it is a different DOB. My aunt has said she doesnt want anything to do with the search as everybody tried to find ML Coleman quite a few years back ie Salvation army and other organisations. I tried to tell her that there would have been certain information not available at that time but she wont have it. Its a shame really.

I will keep looking for this relation.

Lesley

1939 REGISTER TRANSCRIPTION
Plath Household (3 People)
39 Coronation Avenue , Kiveton Park R.D., Yorkshire (West Riding), England

Harold Coleman
DOB 29 May 1922
SEX Male
OCCUPATION Colliery Haulage Pit
MARITAL STATUS Single
SCHEDULE 100
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 3

Maria Platts
DOB 17 Jul 1875
SEX Female
OCCUPATION Unpaid Domestic Dutie
MARITAL STATUS Widowed
SCHEDULE 100
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 1

Albert Platts
DOB 18 Apr 1908
SEX Male
OCCUPATION Colliery Hewer Heavy W
MARITAL STATUS Single
SCHEDULE 100
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 2
Ref: RG101/3789B/010/34 Letter Code: KRLE
© Findmypast Ltd

thanks for the information. I will have a look into the details. Im finding it very hard to get any info on my great Aunt. But I will persevere with looking for her. Her grandsons are looking for her and If I can give them details then they can start to piece together her life.

There is this death:

Deaths Sep 1938
COLEMAN Mary L 41 Wakefield 9c 33

might be worth a closer look

and a possible death for Harry Coleman:

Deaths Mar 1974
COLEMAN Harry born -JE1900 Buckrose 2a 52

Probate for this Harry:

Coleman Harry of 21 Carlton Street Bridlington Yorks died 22nd Feb 1974 Probate Newcastle Upon Tyne 2nd April £5049

thank you i will try what you have said. This woman is so evasive!

any other ideas will be welcome.

Lesley

If you have her exact date of birth, you can search for that without using a surname in the 1939 register.

Similarly if she died after 1969, you can search using exact date of birth without using a surname.

Mary Lizzie Platts born in 1899 possibly at Hucknall Huthwaite, Mansfield, Derbyshire, England

Not tried the 1939 yet.

Yes the details for Maria Fowkes/Fawkes is correct. Ive just checked David Coleman, Harry's dad and think he married an Elvina King. I then checked with GRO and her name came up for a Harry Coleman born 1900. Not sure if this is the right way to find Mary and Harry, but if this is Harrys parents it might show if they went south to live.

Have you got Mary Lizzie Platts exact date of birth, and tried to find her on the 1939 register?

Just putting Maria's birth, for background:
FAWKES, MARIA -
GRO Reference: 1875 S Quarter in BASFORD Volume 07B Page 142

Yes Patchem you are right. ArgyllGran was mixing up Mary and Maria.

The Maria Rayns Fowkes is not the same Maria, my granny. I have her birth certificate and it states 17 Jul y 1875 and baptism is the same as you suggested. The marriage is the same.

It is her daughter, Mary Elizabeth Platts/Mary Lizzie Platts who Im trying to find. She is not present in most details after leaving home. First indication is her daughter, May, birth certificate (I have a copy of that). Then there's a gap until she marries Harry Coleman, Fathers name David Coleman. I have the certificate for that too. They were both in work. Harry was a farm worker at Scurfdyke Farm, Hutton Cranswick, near Driffield. Mary E Platts, worked as a domestic servant at Corpslanding, Hutton Cranswick near Driffield. I only came across this detail after sending for a copy of the marriage certificate. The only name given was Mary Platts. But it is the same Mary as father was stated as Frederick Platts and deceased.

Mary Elizabeth, in the family she went by the name Lizzie, looks like she came home to Dinnington to have Harold (whi I knew as Uncle Harold) as his birth was registered in Worksop 29 May 1922. This is where Mary Elizabeth disappears again. I've no idea how long she stayed in Dinnington and if she stayed married to Harry Coleman.

I don't know where else to look. Its a shame really because Harold's sons are also looking for her. If anyone has any info that would help me it would be great or any suggestions of where to look next.

Lesley

ArgyllGran.
I think you are mixing up Maria and Mary.

'Maria Shooter should read Maria Fowkes. Maria did not have fathers name on birth certificate. Marias mother, Mary Fowkes, married a Thomas Shooter 1 year after Maria was born hence her using the name Shooter.'

So Mary Fowkes married Thomas Shooter in 1876, so Maria was born in 1875.

Except that Maria on 1901 census born about 1872, which fits with this birth:
FOWKES, MARIA RAYNS -
GRO Reference: 1872 J Quarter in SHARDLOW Volume 07B Page 368

But this might be her baptism:
Maria Fowkes
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 17 Oct 1875
Baptism Place: Cotmanhay,Derby,England
Mother: Mary Fowkes
FHL Film Number: 1041451

Maria married as Fowkes:
Marriages Mar 1892
FOWKES Maria Belper 7b 751
Platts Frederick Belper 7b 751

No help with Mary Lizzie, but digressing to her mother, as you say there's no mention of her until 1901, apart from birth and marriage.

Mary Fowkes's marriage record says she was born c1857, and her father was William.


Mary Fowkes
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Mary Fowkes
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: 1857
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: William Fowkes
Mother's name: Elizabeth Fowkes
Gender: Female
Where born: Cotmanhay, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Ilkeston
Ecclesiastical parish: Cotmanhay and Shipley
Town: Ilkeston
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration district: Basford
Sub-registration district: Ilkestone
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 84
Piece: 2436
Folio: 27
Page Number: 15
Household Members:
Name Age
William Fowkes 22
Elizabeth Fowkes 23
Mary Fowkes 4
Joseph Fowkes 2
Martha Fowkes 4




Mary Fowkes
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Mary Fowkes
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Willm Fowkes
Mother's name: Elizh Fowkes
Gender: Female
Where born: Ilkeston
[Cotmanhay, Derbyshire, England]
Civil Parish: Ilkeston
Ecclesiastical parish: Cotmanhay and Shipley
Town: Ilkeston
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Registration district: Basford
Sub-registration district: Ilkeston
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 57
Piece: 3481
Folio: 69
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
Willm Fowkes 35
Elizh Fowkes 35
Mary Fowkes 14
Josh Fowkes 12
Martha Fowkes 10
Willm Fowkes 8
Elizh Fowkes 3
Ann Fowkes 1


After 1871 she's not with her birth family.



You say she didn't marry Thomas Shooter until 1 year after Mary Elizabeth was born, which would make the marriage 1900.
But this seems to be the marriage in 1876:

Marriages Mar 1876 (>99%)
FOWKER Mary Basford 7b 142
Fowkes Mary Basford 7b 142
Shooter Thomas Basford 7b 142


Mary Shooter
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Mary Shooter
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relationship to Head: Wife
Spouse: Thomas Shooter
Gender: Female
Where born: Cotmanhay, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Ilkeston
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Street address: 10 Mount Pleasant Cot Rd
Marital Status: Married
Education:
Employment status:
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Registration district: Basford
Sub registration district: Ilkeston
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3325
Folio: 93
Page Number: 46
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Shooter 25
Mary Shooter 24
Ruth Shooter 5
William Shooter 1
(not transcribed)

I don't see them in 1891, but here they are in 1901:


Thomas Shooter
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Thomas Shooter
Age: 45
Estimated birth year: abt 1856
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Mary Shooter
Birth Place: Cotmanhay, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Ripley
Ecclesiastical parish: Ripley All Saints
Town: Ripley
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
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Registration district: Belper
Sub-registration district: Ripley
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3229
Folio: 96
Page Number: 37
Household schedule number: 230
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Shooter 45
Mary Shooter 44
Elizabeth Shooter 18
Thomas Shooter 16
Arthur Shooter 14
Albert Shooter 11
Sarah Ann Shooter 9
John Shooter 5


But no Mary Elizabeth?

Have I got the wrong family again?

Hi, questions answered

1. Mary Elizabeth Platts is Mary L Platts. The name she used was Lizzie. She was born in 1899. The GRO is as follows:- PLATTS, MARY LIZZIE Mothers Maiden Name - SHOOTER GRO Reference: 1899 S Quarter in MANSFIELD Volume 07B Page 104

Maria Shooter should read Maria Fowkes. Maria did not have fathers name on birth certificate. Marias mother, Mary Fowkes, married a Thomas Shooter 1 year after Maria was born hence her using the name Shooter. There is no other mention of Mary's mother Maria until the 1901 Census.

2. I have no idea whether Mary stayed with Harry or not. This is where Mary has disappeared off the map.

Even though she left the children with their grandmother - did she stay with Harry, or did they separate?


Unfortunately, whether she remarried or not, there are so many possible marriages and deaths, not to mention emigration records.

Presumably her birth:

Births Mar 1899 (>99%)
Platts Mary Elizabeth Ecclesall B. 9c 364


EDIT:

No, not this birth - see Lesley's post below.

When was Mary born, please?
There are several possible births of that name.

For our reference -


is this her in 1901?


Mary L Platts
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Mary L Platts
[Mary E Platts]
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1900
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Father: Fredk Platts
Mother: Maria Platts
Birth Place: Hucknall Huthwaite Mansfield, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Nottingham
Ecclesiastical parish: Old Basford St Leodegarius and Cinder Hill Christchurch
Town: Nottingham
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
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Registration district: Nottingham
Sub-registration district: Bulwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3189
Folio: 63
Page Number: 17
Household schedule number: 93
Household Members:
Name Age
Fredk Platts 27
Maria Platts 29
Bernard Platts 7
Arthur Platts 5
Frederick Platts 3
Mary L Platts 1


And 1911:

Mary Elizabeth Platts
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Mary Elizabeth Platts
Age in 1911: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1899
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Hulthwaite, Nottinghamshire
Civil Parish: Dalton
County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding
Country: England
Street address: 26 Saville St Dalton Rotherham
Occupation: School
Registration district: Rotherham
Registration District Number: 511
Sub-registration district: South East Rotherham
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Piece: 28063
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick Platts 38
Muria Platts 37
Bernard Platts 18
Arthur Platts 16
Frederick Platts 14
Mary Elizabeth Platts 12
William Platts 10
Thomas Platts 8
Florence Annie Platts 5
Albert Platts 3
Sarah Platts 1

Welcome to the boards, Lesley.

Unfortunately, it's 13 years since Tracey posted that query.
She's unlikely to be looking for replies here now.

You can try sending her a private message -- click on her name at the top of her post.

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Good luck!

Hi, My name is Lesley and its your lucky day. Mary Elizabeth Platts, known as Lizzle, is/was my grandma's sister, so therefore she's my great aunt. The Platts are a big family and I can fill in blanks for you for definite.

Mary had May in the Sheffield area and gave her to my granny (Maria Platts) to look after. She then married a Harry Coleman in 1922 at a Driffield Register Office and went back to Dinnington to have Harold on the 29 May 1922. He was then left with granny for her to bring up. How old he was when this happened I dont know. But he went on to marry and have 3 boys and lived in Rhodesia, Worksop. I have all documents to substantiate the above. I have also found Mays family. and once again I have all details of her life. :-D

I like you are having trouble finding Mary after she left Harold in Dinnington. I jope that you will be able to fill in my blans. Please get in touch and i can help you.

Yours Mrs Lesley Airey

Tracey Hennell. Does anyone know of a Mary Elizabeth Platts who married a man called coleman? not sure but last thought to be in the Birmingham area. She had sisters living in the Dinnington area of south yorks. She had a daughter and a son who were both left in the care of their grandmother. both of whom have passed away, we would love to fill in the blanks. Mary was in service in the Talbot Street area of sheffield in about 1916/17.