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Member Since: December 2004 Posts: 24,447 Send Message	Dea	Report	9 Dec 2014 19:22
	We await the cert with baited breath !!!!!!!!!!!!! Or some such like !! Dea Xxx
Member Since: December 2014 Posts: 29 Send Message	ian	Report	9 Dec 2014 18:54
Member Since: December 2014 Posts: 29 Send Message	oh gosh all the plot thickens .... so perhaps Claires theory, re the can of worms has an extra twist of Edward Edmunds Gunter.. the baker ..... has he been putting buns in someone else's oven? :) The certificate isn't due until the 31st, so xmas will be boring by comparison..... :-)
Member Since: August 2006 Posts: 6,427 Send Message	°o.OOº°‘¨Claire in Wales¨‘°ºOO.o°	Report	9 Dec 2014 17:33
	Edward E GUNTER would probably be Edward Edmunds GUNTER. He died a few days before John Arthur GUNTER and was John's father's brother! Interestingly, he also wasn't a baker or confectioner in 1911. Why would Cyril be away from home on the night of the census? Could be in hospital but they're usually pretty good with filling out census Maybe mum was sick and granny was looking after her Perhaps he was just staying with a relation or maybe I'm even looking at totally the wrong family. Now we're all waiting for this cert to get stuck in the Christmas post!
Member Since: December 2004 Posts: 24,447 Send Message	Dea	Report	9 Dec 2014 16:37
	In 1914 there was an Edward E Gunter who was a Confectioner at 145 Commercial St. Risca ...................... Dea Xxx
Member Since: January 2003 Posts: 13,478 Send Message	rootgatherer	Report	9 Dec 2014 16:23
	Name: John Arthur Gunter Probate Date: 7 Jun 1922 Death Date: 2 May 1922 Death Place: Monmouthshire, Wales Registry: Llandaff John Arthur Gunter of 25 Commercial Street, Pontymister, Risca died there. Probate to Florence Ellen Gunter widow. Effects £368. 16s. 7d.
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Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 6,059 Send Message	jansmith	Report	9 Dec 2014 16:16
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 6,059 Send Message	This cert could be as exciting as waiting for Christmas! ;-)
Member Since: December 2004 Posts: 24,447 Send Message	Dea	Report	9 Dec 2014 15:41
	There certainly is Ian - I have found a load of Gunters from old directories - 2 are bakers but none match so maybe when you get the cert we will be able to find a connection ?? Dea Xxx
Member Since: January 2003 Posts: 13,478 Send Message	rootgatherer	Report	9 Dec 2014 13:52
	My pleasure Ian :-)
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Member Since: December 2014 Posts: 29 Send Message	ian	Report	9 Dec 2014 12:39
Member Since: December 2014 Posts: 29 Send Message	wow, root gatherer, there is a lot resting on the delivery of Cyril's birth certificate now isn't there... many many thanks...
Member Since: January 2003 Posts: 13,478 Send Message	rootgatherer	Report	9 Dec 2014 11:31
	1901 Name: Jacob Gunter Age in 1901: 51 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Ann Gunter Gender: Male Where born: Machen, Monmouthshire, Wales Civil Parish: Risca Ecclesiastical parish: Risca County/Island: Monmouthshire Country: Wales Street address: View image Condition as to marriage: View image Education: View image Employment status: View image Occupation: View image Registration district: Newport (Monmouthshire) Sub-registration district: Rogerstone ED, institution, or vessel: 19 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 239 Piece: 4964 Folio: 172 Page Number: 43 Household Members: Name Age Jacob Gunter 51 Ann Gunter 49 Louisa Hannah Gunter 28 Wm Edward Gunter 26 Elizth Jane Gunter 22 Ivor Thomas Gunter 18 Osman Llewellyn Gunter 15 Ethel Sarah Gunter 14 Iscila May Gunter 5 1891 Name: Jacob Gunter Age: 40 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Ann Gunter Gender: Male Where born: Risca, Monmouthshire, Wales Civil Parish: Risca Ecclesiastical parish: Risca Town: Risca County/Island: Monmouthshire Country: Wales Street address: View image Condition as to marriage: View image Education: View image Employment status: View image Occupation: View image Registration district: Newport Sub registration district: St Woollos ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4379 Folio: 159 Page Number: 17 Household Members: Name Age Jacob Gunter 40 Ann Gunter 39 Frank Gunter 21 Louisa Gunter 18 William E Gunter 16 Rosa A Gunter 14 Elizabeth Gunter 12 Arthur Gunter 10 Ivor T Gunter 8 Osmon Gunter 5 Ethel Gunter 4
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Member Since: January 2003 Posts: 13,478 Send Message	rootgatherer	Report	9 Dec 2014 11:29
	1911 Name: Mr Jacob Gunter Age in 1911: 60 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Pontymister, Monmouthshire, Wales Civil Parish: Risca County/Island: Monmouthshire Country: Wales Street address: 22 Park Place Risca Marital Status: Widowed Occupation: Labourer Gas Phericers Registration district: Newport Registration District Number: 587 Sub-registration district: Rogerstone ED, institution, or vessel: 19 Household schedule number: 153 Piece: 32018 Household Members: Name Age Jacob Gunter 60 Widower Louisa Hannah Morgan 38 Widow Osman Llewyn Gunter 25 Ethel Sarah Gunter 23 Iscila May Gunter 15 Although it has been crossed out image says Jacob had 12 children, 10 living, 2 had died.
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Member Since: January 2003 Posts: 13,478 Send Message	rootgatherer	Report	9 Dec 2014 11:24
	Just posting this to check where John A's siblings are in 1911 in case Cyril is lurking with one of them. 1881 Name: Jacob Gunter Age: 31 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Ann Gunter Gender: Male Where born: Risca, Monmouth, Wales Civil Parish: Risca County/Island: Monmouthshire Country: Wales Street address: Tap Room Pontymister Condition as to marriage: Married Education: View image Employment status: View image Occupation: Hammerman Registration district: Newport Sub registration district: St Woollos ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 5270 Folio: 45 Page Number: 21 Household Members: Name Age Jacob Gunter 31, Hammerman / Blacksmith Ann Gunter 29 Louisa H. Gunter 8 William E. Gunter 6 Rosa A. Gunter 4 Elizabeth J. Gunter 2 John A. Gunter 5 months Francis W. Hemmings 12 Stepson Living next door is John Gunter (also a Blacksmith) and his family.
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Member Since: December 2014 Posts: 29 Send Message	ian	Report	8 Dec 2014 23:48
Member Since: December 2014 Posts: 29 Send Message	ok will do.. Claire... but why would you have your 4 year old sone staying with relations whilst your mother in Law stays in the house... ? & thats not a mother in law joke .. by the way... It seems that John had a reasonably substantial household. - steel foundry stockbroker. & Florence's widowed Mother would more than likely been an eager carer of her Grandson, if he was ill? Edward/alisas John Arther, died young, but apparently that was due to a bronchial condition caused by the bakery dust, this apparently also killed Cyril in the end. So theres no apparent congenital illness that we know of for Cyril, that would mean he couldn't stay at home. cheers, & good night. ian
Member Since: August 2006 Posts: 6,427 Send Message	°o.OOº°‘¨Claire in Wales¨‘°ºOO.o°	Report	8 Dec 2014 22:34
	Ian you need to look at the original 1911 census document which will show that Florrie has a child. Cyril could be staying with relations who should have added him to their census but it's looking very much as though he's been omitted.
Member Since: December 2014 Posts: 29 Send Message	ian	Report	8 Dec 2014 22:24
Member Since: December 2014 Posts: 29 Send Message	Many thanks re Dad, he is going through Chemo. But fighting hard & well at the moment. It is really puzzling why Cyril wasn't there... he would have only have been 4. To be honest, i can't find the reference that said there was a son not at home.... I can only see that John lived with his wife & his mother in Law... But i'll keep looking, i'm a beginner at all this and not yet vary familiar with all of these documents. But don't worry, I will certainly tell everyone once I get the certificate. the receipt just said despatched in 15 days, so we shall see. All the best, & thanks Liz. Ian.
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,339 Send Message	alviegal	Report	8 Dec 2014 22:03
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,339 Send Message	It is strange that we can't find Cyril in 1911 :-S :-S :-S Please let us know when you receive his birth certificate, can't wait to see what that document reveals! Best wishes, Liz PS Hope your Dad's health improves soon.
Member Since: December 2014 Posts: 29 Send Message	ian	Report	8 Dec 2014 21:48
Member Since: December 2014 Posts: 29 Send Message	Wow... you are all amazing detectives... I can't keep up.... The Jewell side of things certainly seems to tie up, I have already found thanks to Tim Prichard, a lot of Helena's maternal line of Attewell's - They are on my 'sapling' of a tree. ( Let me know if anyone wants a look - all welcome... ) But i'm not yet totally convinced about John Arthur Gunter... Dad has always said that his Dad and Grandad owned & ran a bakery in Risca. Newport. Cyril had to give up his studies in order to work at the bakery with his mother when his father died young. And I have a photo of a Bakers Van with F.(Florence) Thomas (Florence's second husbands name.) written on the side. ( which i will post, if i can work out how...? ) Also as JanSmith said.... Where was little Cyril on the night of the census ... Why wasn't he at home & why wasn't he mentioned? I had just found the census with John as a stockbroker and half discounted that, so was just moving one when i saw all of this amazing stream activity.... We really need Cyril's birth certificate don't we? That will prove it once and for all. Many, many thanks everybody.... I really am most grateful. I am currently staying with & looking after my Dad,( Cyril's son Douglas,) who is really quite poorly. All of this is fascinating him. Best regards, Ian Gunter.
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,339 Send Message	alviegal	Report	8 Dec 2014 21:20
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,339 Send Message	Florence's family. 1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Tydu Road, Risca, Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Emma Palmer Head Widow Female 55 1846 - Risca, Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription Florence Ellen Palmer Daughter Single Female 18 1883 Dress Maker Risca, Monmouthshire, Wales 1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Main Road, Risca, Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Henry Palmer Head Married Male 48 1843 Coal Miner Bristol, Somerset, England Transcription Emma Palmer Wife Married Female 45 1846 - Risca, Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription Emily Palmer Daughter Single Female 18 1873 Tin Plate Cleaner Glamorgan, Wales Transcription Lydia Palmer Daughter Single Female 15 1876 General Servant Domestic Glamorgan, Wales Transcription Margaret A Palmer Daughter - Female 12 1879 General Servant Domestic Risca, Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription Florence E Palmer Daughter - Female 8 1883 Scholar Risca, Monmouthshire, Wales 1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Risca, Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Henry Palmer Head Married Male 37 1844 Coal Miner - WINTERBOURNE FRENCH HAY Emma Palmer Wife Married Female 35 1846 - Risca, Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription John Cross Stepson Single Male 17 1864 Coal Miner Risca, Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription Emily Palmer Daughter Single Female 7 1874 Scholar LLWYNPIA Glamorgan, Wales Transcription Lydia Palmer Daughter Single Female 5 1876 - LLWYNPIA Glamorgan, Wales Transcription Margaret A Palmer Daughter Single Female 2 1879 - Mynyddislwyn, Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription Sarah A Brown Servant Single Female 18 1863 Domestic Serv Risca, Monmouthshire, Wales 1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Near Church Mrs Rossers House, Risca, Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Henry Palmer Head - Male 29 1842 - Gloucestershire, England Transcription Emma Palmer Wife - Female 25 1846 - Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription John Palmer Son - Male 5 1866 - Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription Harry H Palmer Son - Male 0 1871 - Monmouthshire, Wales 1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Wedlakes Court, 6, Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Thomas Palmer Head Married Male 50 1801 Mason Plymouth, Devon, England Transcription Elizabeth Palmer Wife - Female 45 1806 - Watchet, Somerset, England Transcription Emma Palmer Daughter - Female 5 1846 Scholar Bristol, Gloucestershire, England Transcription Thomas Palmer Step Son - Male 10 1841 Scholar Bristol, Gloucestershire, England Transcription James Palmer Step Son Unmarried Male 21 1830 Laborer Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,339 Send Message	alviegal	Report	8 Dec 2014 21:09
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,339 Send Message	As an aside, here is Helena's family. You said her dad was a painter? He did seem to have a few jobs. 1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 36 Duckpool Road, Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation Fred James Jewell Head Married Male 33 1878 Monmouth Newport Milk Vendor Transcription Alice Jewell Wife Married Female 32 1879 Monmouth Caerwent - Transcription Evelyn Jewell Daughter - Female 9 1902 Monmouth Newport School Transcription Fred Godfrey Jewell Son - Male 5 1906 Monmouth Newport - Transcription >>Helena Jewell Daughter - Female 3 1908 Monmouth Newport - Transcription Tom Andrew Jewell Son - Male 0 1911 Monmouth Newport 1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 60, Williams Street, Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Fred J Jewell Head Married Male 23 1878 Hairdresser Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription Alice Jewell Wife Married Female 22 1879 - Llanvaches, Monmouthshire, Wales 1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 10, South Market Street, St Woollos, Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Andrew Jewell Head Married Male 44 1837 Sailmaker Cowley, Devon, England Transcription Francis Ann Jewell Wife Married Female 37 1844 - Middlesex, England Transcription Thomas Cleiton Jewell Son Single Male 14 1867 Errand Boy Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription William S Jewell Son Single Male 12 1869 Errand Boy Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription Charles Edgar Jewell Son Single Male 8 1873 Scholar Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription Harry Jewell Son Single Male 6 1875 Scholar Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription >>Fred James Jewell Son Single Male 3 1878 Scholar Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription Eliza Ann Jewell Daughter Single Female 2 1879 - Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales 1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Dolphin Street, St Woollos, Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Andrew Jewell Head - Male 33 1838 - Devon, England sailmaker Frances Ann Jewell Wife - Female 27 1844 - Middlesex, England Transcription Thomas C Jewell Son - Male 4 1867 - Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription Fanny Ann Jewell Daughter - Female 1 1870 - Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription William J Jewell Son - Male 2 1869 - Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription Frances Sanbrooke Mother-In-Law - Female 52 1819 - Monmouthshire, Wales Transcription William King Boarder - Male 27 1844 - Monmouthshire, Wales
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 6,059 Send Message	jansmith	Report	8 Dec 2014 20:58
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 6,059 Send Message	Shame we haven't yet found Cyril in 1911. Wonder where he was ? will info Name:John Arthur Gunter Probate Date:7 Jun 1922 Death Date:2 May 1922 Death Place:Monmouthshire, Wales Registry:Llandaff 25 Commercial street Pontymister Risca Probate to Florence Ellen Gunter widow £368 16s 7d

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