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Name: Edward James Thomas
Registration Year: 1899
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Newport
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 357

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Eunice Allport
Edith Hughes
Moses Smart
Edward James Thomas

1871

Name: Edward J Thomas
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Thomas
Mother's name: Elizabeth Thomas
Gender: Male
Where born: Risca, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Risca
Town: Pontymister
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Newport
Sub-registration district: St Woollos
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Household schedule number: 237
Piece: 5350
Folio: 161
Page Number: 40
Household Members:
Name Age
William Thomas 50
Elizabeth Thomas 46
John M Thomas 6
Mary J Thomas 4
Edward J Thomas 1

1901

Name: Edward Jas Thomas
Age in 1901: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Edith Thomas
Mother's name: Elizabeth Thomas
Gender: Male
Where born: Risca, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Risca
Ecclesiastical parish: Risca
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Street address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image
Registration district: Newport (Monmouthshire)
Sub-registration district: Rogerstone
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 144
Piece: 4964
Folio: 163
Page Number: 26
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Jas Thomas 31, Road Lab.
Edith Thomas 26
Elizabeth Thomas 76 Mother

Maybe?

1911

Name: Edith Violet Thomas
Age in 1911: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1905
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Risca, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Risca
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Street address: 50 Commercial Street Pontymister
Registration district: Newport
Registration District Number: 587
Sub-registration district: Rogerstone
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Household schedule number: 81
Piece: 32018
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward James Thomas 41 Packer
Edith Thomas 6 Wife, aged 36 on image
Edith Violet Thomas 6 Daughter
Dorothy Rose James 2 neice
Gwladys Jenkins 15 neice

Married 11 years, 3 children born 1 living and 2 had died.

Hi Claire,
Yes Dad thinks that Cyril had two step sisters, He thinks that one was called Dot, or Dorothy, but he is not sure which husband they were related too either,
(Mr Thomas ~ probably Edward) 2nd Husband or ( George Thomas. ~ who dad remembers as Uncle George)

Dad remembers Uncle George taking dad and my uncle Arthur up the hill from Nana Thomas's (Florence ) house, ( The Bungalow, in Gelli Ave, Risca ) to watch the sheepdog trials. That must have been in the late 1930's.

Good theory Jude... I'll scan the Van image & I might get in touch the Risca Museum & see if they know any more about the bakery...

Cheers
Ian

Just thinking about why Cyril wasn't in the house in 1911...IF they were bakers then they would have to be up and about very early so maybe they had some arrangement?

Check this link out

http://www.mocavo.co.uk/Kelly-S-Directory-of-Monmouthshire-and-South-Wales-1920/361292/229

Gunter Edward E Confectioner 145 Commercial Street Pontymister

Jude

Ian my own G Grandad was a boiler maker who moved to Wales during the late 19th century. When the work dried up, he opened a fish and chip shop even though he detested the smell of vinegar. It could well be that Cyril's father changed jobs after the 1911 census but I've failed to find any proof by googling.

From the name on the van, it sounds as though Florence was in charge of the bakery in later years. She certainly sounds like an early modern woman.

I'd suggest that you leave your visit to Wales for the moment. If I'm correct with John Arthur then I think his mother may produce further mysteries.

One for Dad- did Cyril have a step sister 2 or 3 years older? Think I've tracked down Edward with his first wife and a daughter named Edith Violet.

Cyril definitely existed.:) My Grandad. ~ I can remember when he died, my first awareness of death. He had been ill for a few years, but was still working at the Austin in Longbridge, outside B'ham until he died, ~ failing to reach retirement.
He suffered from a bronchial condition that according to Dad, had been caused by the bakery flour dust. Dad though that that was what had killed Cyril's Dad too... But that seems unlikely now, unless of course Dad was confusing John Arthur with Thomas Edward, --- as the Vicar did! but then he was not listed as a baker either...

Cyril smoked a pipe as I remember, in fact he used to keep a full rack of Welsh clay pipes on their mantel piece, they ranged in length from the short - warm, to the long cooler pipes. Those have gone, but i have two of his other old pipes, which I also remember him smoking. ( one is shaped like a pistol, - he filled the handle with tobacco and put the barrel in his mouth! - ironic :)
Despite moving with Helena to Bromsgrove sometime around about 1936, (Dad thinks he was about 3 when they left Wales), neither of them lost their Welsh accents.
I can vividly remember sitting in the back of Dads Vauxhall Viva, with Gran between Paul & I on what felt then like long drives back 'home' to Risca, to see Great Gandma Jewell & the family.

By the way, what do you all think? - The picture i have of the Bakery van, with F. Thomas painted on the side... If neither John or Edward were bakers... Do you think that Florence might have founded and managed the Bakery herself? - Terribly sexist of us to have always assumed that she must have just taken it over when her husband died.... ! why couldn't it always have been her initiative? I think i need to head off to Risca myself, and see if they have anything in the museum. Cheers all.
Ian.
:-)

Jan - no worries!

"our" Cyril is a real mystery!

Jude

Thanks Jude I see now that it hadn't been you who had posted the Bristol census

I was just ruling out the Cyril that SAFC found in Bristol in 1911 whose birth wasn't jumping out from freebmd....not suggesting that the dates were wrong :-)....

Cryil Gunter Son - Male 7 1904 St Georges Bristol School xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Wilfred Gunter Son - Male 4 1907 St Georges Bristol -
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Elizabeth Kerslake Mother In Law Widow Female 70 1841 Winscombe Sommersit Old Age Pensioner

i can't find this cryil on

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/

I've tried checking grandfather Jacob and some brothers and sisters to no avail....

Jude

For what it's worth, my opinion is that Cyril was off for a sleepover somewhere and just omitted from the census by accident. I feel his birth certificate will show that John Arthur and Florence are his parents.

However, the anticipated arrival of his birth certificate will brighten the lull between Christmas and New Year celebrations :-)

Many thanks.... thats even more hanging on Cyrils full birth certificate...

Hey Jude & Safc, I'll send you the short version of Gradad Cyril's birth cert. - it was def. 1907 & Cyril Henry... so I think that we are still looking at Claires theory... Cheers

Jude, Ian sent me a copy of the original short birth cert he has and it is the 1907 Newport birth. He has sent for a full cert so we are waiting to see who parents are.

safc

"That" Cyril?

Births Jun 1904 (>99%)
Gunter Henry Cyril Bristol 6a 179

Jude

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Summerhill Road, St George, Barton Regis, Gloucestershire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Elizabeth Kerslake Head Widow Female 46 1845 - Winscombe, Somerset, England
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Walter Kerslake Son Single Male 21 1870 Shoemaker Somerset, England
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Minnie Kerslake Daughter Single Female 20 1871 Tailoress Somerset, England
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Ada Kerslake Daughter Single Female 17 1874 Tailoress Somerset, England
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Florence Kerslake Daughter Single Female 16 1875 Shoemaker St George, Gloucestershire, England
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Gertrude Kerslake Daughter Single Female 13 1878 - St George, Gloucestershire, England
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Marian Kerslake Daughter Single Female 11 1880 - St George, Gloucestershire, England
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Frederick Jeffries Lodger Married Male 22 1869 Coal Miner St George, Gloucestershire, England
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Lily Jeffries Daughter Married Female 22 1869 - Somerset, England
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Hilda Jeffries Granddaughter Single Female 1 1890 - St George, Gloucestershire, England
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Joseph Maggs Lodger Single Male 22 1869 Compositor St George, Gloucestershire, England

Marriages Mar 1896 (>99%)
Gunter Richard Bristol 6a 87
Hawkins George Bristol 6a 87
Kerslake Florence Bristol 6a 87
PERRETT Annie Bristol 6a 87

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1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
67 Whiteway Road St George Bristol, Bristol, Gloucestershire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Arthur Gunter Head Married Male 39 1872 St Georges Bristol Pressman Rough Stuff Citter
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Florry Gunter Wife Wife Female 37 1874 St Georges Bristol Boot Machinst
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Florry Gunter Daughter - Female 14 1897 St Georges Bristol Tailoreiss Trousers Finisher
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Elisie Gunter Daughter - Female 11 1900 St Georges Bristol School
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Arthur Gunter Son - Male 9 1902 St Georges Bristol School
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Cryil Gunter Son - Male 7 1904 St Georges Bristol School xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Wilfred Gunter Son - Male 4 1907 St Georges Bristol -
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Elizabeth Kerslake Mother In Law Widow Female 70 1841 Winscombe Sommersit Old Age Pensioner

i can't find this cryil on

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/

Cyril may just have been away from home for an overnight and the people he was with perhaps misunderstood that he should be included on that household return and assumed that he had been listed on his parents form. After all there are many many examples of folks appearing at two different addresses on the census returns. :-)