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I've just tried again to re-order his certificate, adding his (assumed) fathers name as John Arthur & his mothers name as Florence Palmer.
Perhaps that will help them find something ?
I'm also not sure, but on their response they seem to have his registration date down as his birth date.... I wonder if i filled in the correct birthdate on the first application..?

Anyway, the estimated despatch date for this one is the 4th of Feb. - So we shall see.
All the best,
Ian.

Ahhhh, sorry all, this is very frustrating... please see the response received this morning;
" Dear Mr Gunter, Thank you for your enquiry.
Birth Certificate: Cyril Henry Gunter....
We are sorry that you did not receive notification of the outcome of your order. Please refer to our original correspondence below:
______________________________________________
From: Sword Simon On Behalf Of GRO Coladmin
Sent: 24 December 2014 09:05
To: [email protected]
Subject: GRO Refund - Account Number: 5706468 Order Number: 6142297 - 1
Your Reference: Cyril Henry Gunter
Dear Ian Douglas Gunter,
Thank you for your order as detailed below.
Birth Certificate: CYRIL GUNTER born 08-OCT-1907 in NEWPORT
We have been unable to process your application, please refer to the paragraph below.
We have searched the indexes for events registered in England and Wales during the years specified (1906-1908). We have been unable to find any entry with the details you provided.
For more information please read the frequently asked questions on our website under the heading, “Most Customers Want to Know”. A full refund of £9.25 has been credited to your account via Worldpay.
If you have any questions concerning this order contact us using our online complaints form https://eforms.homeoffice.gov.uk/outreach/Certificate_Service.ofml or phone +44 0300 123 1837. Lines are open Monday to Friday 8am to 8pm and Saturday 9am to 4pm.
Yours sincerely, Adam Smith, GRO First Point of Contact.

Have any of you experts got any bright ideas.... I have a short version of his certificate... so I know the dates are correct...
Cyril Henry Gunter, born; 14/9/07, birth registered 8/10/07, entry number 423, book 13, registrar, W.M.Roland. Newport, subdistrict Rogerstown.

Oh Ok thanks Jan...
I'll give it a go.
Ian

If you ordered from the official site go back to it and fill in the online form

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/contact_us.asp
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no its still not turned up.... the (estimated) despatch date was the 31st so it should have arrived.... I had a look at the order receipt & there is no 'return' e-mail address or phone number to call for enquiries so it seems as if we'll just have to wait!

Should be here soon Ian!!

Have you got it yet Ian?

thanks for reply Ian. I will keep checking this page

hi again Jan. I just re-checked the order, and it shows a despatch date of the 31'st of Dec. - so it should be here v. soon.

cheers
Ian

no nothing yet Jan ... I assume its just the Christmas post thats just delayed things....?

All the best for the new year all.
Ian

Any news of birth cert yet?

No problem Ian. As you say, once you have it on a tree it will all become clear.

Looking forward to the arrival of Cyril's birth certificate.

Oh I see I'm sorry Rootgatherer, i was getting muddled. I thought Edward and Frank were brothers. I will load all of this into my tree over the next few days, then I think it will become clearer... Then we will just have to wait until Cyrils birth certificate verifies things... Otherwise i will have to do some winter pruning.....!
many thanks.
Ian

Name: Amy Gunter
Probate Date: 6 Nov 1933
Death Date: 16 Aug 1933
Death Place: Monmouthshire, Wales
Registry: London, England


Probate to Seth and Shedrach Banfield

1911

Name: Edward Gunter
Age in 1911: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Risca, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Risca
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Street address: 145 Comercial St Pontymister
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 34
Estimated Marriage Year: 1877
Occupation: Agent (general)
Registration district: Newport
Registration District Number: 587
Sub-registration district: Rogerstone
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Household schedule number: 208
Piece: 32019
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Gunter 55
Amy Gunter 56

Married 34 years, no children

Name: Edward Edmunds Gunter
Probate Date: 4 Aug 1922
Death Date: 29 Apr 1922
Death Place: Monmouthshire, Wales
Registry: London, England


Effects £831 5s 10d to widow Amy Gunter

Edward was John Arthur's uncle, brother of Jacob Gunter.

Name: Edward Gunter
Birth Date: abt 1856
Date of Registration: Jun 1922
Age at Death: 66
Registration district: Newport
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 257


So he would be uncle in law to Florence not brother in law.

I think you must have the First Mr Thomas, Rootgatherer..
Edward is listed as Packer, - as per the reference on Cyrils wedding certificate.
The dates & locations are right, and now theres a step daughter called Dorothy. I ask Dad if 'Edith' might ring any bells for Grandads other step sister...
I'm heading back up to his place tomorrow. He has to have more chemo this week, so if all goes well, we should have plenty of time to build all of this amazing research that you and the other helpful souls have been gathering in to our tree.
Thanks again.
Ian

Hum thats fascination Jude, thats very kind of you to actually, as well as virtual digging....
I wonder if WW1 had anything to do with Florence taking over her uncles bakery? - I have photos of various 1'st War uniformed chaps, and a one has a picture of 3 chaps in what look like aprons - There are no names on the photo, but it was taken in india.... ~ Is this a line ???... Did Edward join up the Catering Corps, ( with his bakery background.) & his sister in law take over the bakery..? Perhaps if Amy was a widow Edward didn't make it home from the war?
But why would his sister-in Law take over rather than his wife???
I need to establish who fought, & where. John may have been a little too old, but if Edward was younger he might have signed up or been drafted?
(i'll scan the pics & send them to you.)
any thanks again.
Ian

Was in Newport library this morning so took a peep at the electoral rolls and some trade directories for you.

Unfortunately Bedwellty which covers Pontymister only starts after the death of both John Arthur and Edward Edmunds Gunter. I do find the two widows, Florence Ellen and Amy at 25 and 145 Commercial Street respectively.

In the trade director only Edward E at 145 is listed - not specifically as anything - so it might have been quite a general store.

A tree on Ancestry has Edward Edmunds as the brother of John Arthur's father Jacob i.e. John's uncle. So it seems more than possible that this was a family concern. I think the tree is right in respect of the familial relationship. However, there is another Edward E born in Brecknock and they have mixed and matched the two throughout!

Edward was a forgemen/blacksmith (as was John Arthur) right up to 1901 census when he changed to store keeper

Jude