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Joseph William Hall1885 Whitehaven Cumberland

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Pauline

Pauline Report 18 Sep 2024 13:22

I am looking for parents of Joseph William Hall born Whitehaven abt 1895
Was married to Mary Scott 1913
Child Henry1917/1993
Ij ust cannot find anything that connects to him
Thank you

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 18 Sep 2024 13:35

Look for his birth on the FREE GRO site - when you decide the correct year of birth

Or get a copy of his marriage cert for father’s name

Have you looked for him in censuses…..FREE on familysearch?

Sorry, but if you 'haven’t found anything’ how can you possibly know where he was born? Or even approximately when?

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 18 Sep 2024 13:47

Mary had second initial ’J’

Are you 100% certain that Henry born 1917 was the child of the 1913 marriage? What evidence do you have?

nameslessone

nameslessone Report 18 Sep 2024 13:48

What do you mean by not finding anything that connects to him? Where have you looked?

Maddie

Maddie Report 18 Sep 2024 14:00

Henry
Last name Hall
Birth registration year 1917
Registration quarter 3
Mother's maiden name Scott
District Whitehaven
County Cumberland
Country England
Volume 10B
Page 1148
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Births
Collections from Great Britain, England Henry
Last name Hall
Birth registration year 1917
Registration quarter 3
Mother's maiden name Scott
District Whitehaven
County Cumberland
Country England
Volume 10B
Page 1148
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Births
Collections from Great Britain, England

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 18 Sep 2024 14:03

IF the tree on Ancestry is yours (pretty sure it is!!).................with DoB for Henry as 1st February 1917, neither of these births is his

Births Dec 1915 (>99%)
HALL Henry SCOTT Whitehaven 10b 1135
Births Sep 1917 (>99%)
Hall Henry Scott Whitehaven 10b 114

However, when one reads the death record carefully, the birth was NOT February.

Name Henry Hall
Death Age 75
Birth Date 1 Jul 1917******************************************
Registration Date Feb 1993
Registration district Whitehaven
Inferred County Cumbria
Register Number A31C
District and Subdistrict 3851A
Entry Number 9

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 18 Sep 2024 14:06

Hall/Scott is common combination of names in Whtehaven...................suggest you need birth cert for factual info

Maddie

Maddie Report 18 Sep 2024 14:09

Joseph W
Last name Hall
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1913
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ Joseph W Hall married one of these people
Mary J Scott
Spouse's last name Scott
District Whitehaven
District number -
County Cumberland
Country England
Volume 10B
Volume as transcribed 10B
Page number 1272


Joseph William
Last name Hall
Birth registration year 1895
Registration quarter 1
Mother's maiden name McClusky
District Whitehaven
County Cumberland
Country England
Volume 10B
Page 652

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 18 Sep 2024 14:09

1921 Census Of England & Wales
Long Croft Cottages, High Harrington, Harrington, Cumberland, England
Mary Jane Scott Head Female 1850 70 Clifton, Cumberland, England Home Duties -
Thomas Scott Son Male 1894 26 Harrington, Cumberland, England Out Of Normal Employment Coal Miner Hewer Moresby Coal Co
Mary Jane Hall Daughter Female 1889 32 Harrington, Cumberland, England Out Of Work Home Duties -
Joseph William Hall Grandson Male 1917 4 Harrington, Cumberland, England -

Births Jun 1917
Hall Joseph W Scott Whitehaven 10b 1170

HENRY was NOT the child of Joseph William Hall and Mary Jane, nee Scott, who is a widow on the above record.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 18 Sep 2024 14:17

This MAY be Henry, but you can't progress accurately without seeing birth cert

1921 Census Of England & Wales
3, Cottage Row, Queen Street, Whitehaven, Cumberland, England
Henry Hall Head Male 1891 30 Kendal, Westmorland, England Brusher Coal Pit Underground Whitehaven Colliery Co William Pit Whitehaven (Out Of Work)
Maryann Hall Wife Female 1895 26 Cumberland, England Home Duties -
Henry Hall Son Male 1917 4 Whitehaven, Cumberland, England - -
Sarahann Hall Daughter Female 1920 1 Whitehaven, Cumberland, England - -
Maryann Scott Daughter Female 1913 8 Whitehaven, Cumberland, England -

Births Mar 1920 (>99%)
Hall Sarah A Scott Whitehaven 10b 1612

Births Jun 1913 (>99%)
Scott Mary A Scott Whitehaven 10b 1386 (GRO shows no MMN.........confirming illegitimacy)

Marriages Mar 1914 (>99%)
Hall Henry Scott Kendal 10b 1190
Scott Mary Hall Kendal 10b 1190

Making assumptions is dangerous when doing FH research

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 18 Sep 2024 14:20

1939 Register
13 Burnbanks, North Westmorland, North Westmorland R.D., Westmorland, England

Henry Hall 01 Jul 1917 Male Quarry Labourer Single 46 8

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 18 Sep 2024 15:23

Posting for info ONLY - not relevant to this enquiry, unless Henry is NOT the OP’s proven relation

Private
JOSEPH WILLIAM HALL
Service Number: 240542
Regiment & Unit/Ship
Border Regiment

8th Bn.

Died 27 May 1918

Age 32 years

Buried or commemorated at
SOISSONS MEMORIAL

France


Additional Info
Son of John and Eliza Hall, of Mossbay, Workington; husband of Mary Jane Hall, of Longcroft, High Harrington, Cumberland.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 28 Sep 2024 14:10

PM sent........acknowledged, but.......................... :-S :-S :-S

Jink20

Jink20 Report 28 Sep 2024 17:31

A tree on Ancestry suggests the following

Joseph William Hall
1895–1972
Birth DEC 19TH 1895 • Whitehaven, Cumberland, England
Death NOV 22ND 1972 • Blackpool, Lancashire, England

Parents

Thomas William Hall
1874–1955

Annie MCluskey
1874–1962

Spouse
Nelly Eavis
1894–1972

Birth of brother John James Hall (1898–1967)
1898 • Whitehaven, Cumberland, England

1900 Age4
Birth of sister Frances Metcalf Hall (1900–1999)
Jun 12th 1900 • Whitehaven, Cumberland, England

1902 Age6
Birth of brother Albert Edward Hall (1902–1973)
Sep 17th 1902 • Whitehaven, Cumberland, England

1905 Age10
Birth of sister Thomasina Hall (1905–1970)
1905 • Parton, Cumberland, England

1907 Age12
Birth of sister Ethel Annie Hall (1907–1998)
1907 • Pendleton Salford, Lancashire, England

1909 Age13
Birth of brother Frederick Hall (1909–1972)
Mar 12th 1909 • Pendleton Salford, Lancashire, England

1911 Age15
Residence
02 Apr 1911 • Pendleton, Lancashire, England


1911 Age15
Birth of sister Elizabeth Hall (1911–1985)
Dec 17th 1911 • Salford, Lancashire

1914 Age19
Birth of sister Florence Hall (1914–2014)
1914 • Salford, Lancashire

1916 Age21
Birth of brother Edgar Hall (1916–1996)
1916 • Salford, Lancashire

1927 Age31
Marriage
26 Feb 1927 • Pendlebury, St. John the Evangelist, Lancashire, England
Nelly Eavis
1894–1972

1955 Age60
Death of father Thomas William Hall (1874–1955)
1955 • Barton, Lancashire, England

1962 Age67
Death of mother Annie MCluskey (1874–1962)


1967 Age72
Death of brother John James Hall (1898–1967)
1967 • Bury, Lancashire, England

1970 Age74
Death of sister Thomasina Hall (1905–1970)
Sep 15th 1970 • Auckland,, New Zealand

1972 Age76
Death of brother Frederick Hall (1909–1972)
Jun 1972 • Blackpool, Lancashire, England

1972 Age76
Death
Nov 22nd 1972 • Blackpool, Lancashire, England

Jink20

Jink20 Report 28 Sep 2024 17:36

Thomas William Hall
1874–1955
Birth JUN 24TH 1874 • Moor end Millom, Cumberland, England
Death 1955 • Barton, Lancashire, England

Parents
James Hall
1843–1892

Frances Metcalf
1846–1908

Jink20

Jink20 Report 28 Sep 2024 17:36

Annie MCluskey
1874–1962
Birth 1874 • Lowca, Cumberland, England
Death 1962

Parents
Unknown father
Unknown mother

Jink20

Jink20 Report 28 Sep 2024 17:38

James Hall
1843–1892
Birth 1843 • Penrith, Cumberland
Death 1892 • Whitehaven, Cumberland

Frances Metcalf
1846–1908
Birth 1846 • Whitehaven, Cumberland, England
Death SEP 17TH 1908 • Workington, Cumberland, England

Ancestry record has a copy of James and Frances marriage cert and Frances death cert. There are also photographs of several individuals

Children
Elizabeth Hall
1867–1939

Stephen Metcalf Hall
1868–

John James Hall
1870–1950

Thomas William Hall
1874–1955

Valentine Albert Hall
1880–1944

Ethel Ann Hall
1882–1971

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 29 Sep 2024 10:49

Joseph William was NOT the father of Henry, who is apparently the focus of this request, and is in Pauline's tree with incorrect birth date (as per my earlier post)

If Pauline ever returns to this thread, perhaps she will enlighten us as to who she is actually trying to research :-S :-S

Pauline

Pauline Report 1 Oct 2024 21:12

Thank you for letting me know
I got this info off what the family was told
I will back track the tree now
Thank you again for your help

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 1 Oct 2024 21:16

Glad you found your way back.

Who is your PROVEN relation among these Halls?