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27 Jul 2024 22:14 |
Hi All I would love to trace my own background. I am the daughter of John William Portway born 1943 and Dorothy Josephine whitehead born 1946 and died 2014. I have many siblings. Tracey, myself Toni Born 1964, Tanya, Bruce, Jason, Benjamin, Aaron, Hannah, Amy and lastly Lucy. Hannah and Amy are twins. John and Dorothy were divorced.
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greyghost
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27 Jul 2024 22:55 |
This site is free to use and shows births, marriages and deaths from Q3 1837 to approx mid 1990's. From Q3 1911 births will show the Mother's maiden name as well as the given surname, but not before -
https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
It's well worth finding your way around the site. Click on different things when you get the search results to see what extras you can see apart from the search results.
eg. This would appear to be your Father's birth - Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page Births Mar 1943 (>99%) Portway John W Wregg Bury St.E. 4a 1554
The same site will give you his marriage to your Mum - Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page Marriages Sep 1962 (>99%)
PORTWAY John W WHITEHEAD Romford 5a 1420 WHITEHEAD Dorothy J W PORTWAY Romford 5a 1420
Using the site with just surnames you can find the births of your siblings
Prior to that Q3 1911 date if you want a mmn then use the GRO site. this is one you have to register with, but it's free to search -
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro
You can repeat the finding of siblings to get the names of your parents brothers and sisters etc and also the marriages of their parents.
Once you are back to 1939 there is then the 1939 register you can use - but if you don't have access, post on here and people who do will help. Likewise with the 1921 census. Prior to that you can access census 1841 - 1911 via this site and some are available on another free site which is a sister site to freebmd -
https://freecen1.freecen.org.uk
It will do you a world of good just to take a look at these sites and find out what they do, what information is available via them.
You have to do your own research rather than others do it all for you, but we're here to help with records you might not have access to or if you hit a brick wall - like everyone does!
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greyghost
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27 Jul 2024 23:17 |
Have posted the same starter advice on your other thread
https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1403080?jump=1403080
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28 Jul 2024 11:15 |
Interesting that on neither thread did Toni mention where the family came from.
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ErikaH
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30 Jul 2024 17:26 |
No birth record in 1946 in England/Wales for the mother under the name Whitehead.
Get a copy of the marriage cert for father's details (if known)
TREMAYNE, DOROTHY JOSEPHINE W 1946 GRO Reference: DOR Q4/2014 in PLYMOUTH (416-1E) Entry Number 511026453
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ErikaH
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30 Jul 2024 17:29 |
Name Mrs Jo Dorothy Tremayne Gender Female Age 68 Birth Date 30 Aug 1946 Last Residence Plymouth, Devon, England Postal Code District PL6
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ErikaH
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30 Jul 2024 17:35 |
Marriages Dec 1934 (>99%) Portway William A R Wregg Hackney 1b 861 Wregg Ivy L P Portway Hackney 1b 861
Three female births prior to that of OP's father - and one male somewhat later
1939 Register The Street,Hepworth The Street, Hepworth, Thingoe R.D., Suffolk, England
George Farr 04 Dec 1866 Male Bricklayer (Retired) Married 1 1 Ann Farr 28 Jan 1877 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 1 2 Alice Wregg 26 Feb 1903 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 1 3 Ivy Portway 15 Jun 1913 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 1 4 The record for this person is officially closed The record for this person is officially closed. Hilda (Margaret) Thompson (Portway) 19 Sep 1938 Female Under School Age Single 1 7
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toni
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31 Jul 2024 12:03 |
Hi All
Dorothy Whitehead was married to John Portway on 2nd September 1962 in Romford Essex. I too could not find any record of her birth.
Dorothy Tremayne I believe is her. From what I had been told she went to Plymouth and as far as I am aware that is where she died.
The other information given is all new to me, so thank you very much for that information.
I'm sorry that I didn't say where the families came from, in some cases I didn't know and others was my oversight, which I apologise for.
By asking all you wonderful people, I am learning of new places to look to try and find out the information myself.
So once again may I say thank you to you all for your help inguiding me to become more independent on researching my family history. With Thanks Toni
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ErikaH
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31 Jul 2024 12:29 |
She married Tremayne in 1989………..look at freebmd for the record
The twins are with them on ER in 2002
There is NO record online of the second husband ever having married any of the daughters
Don't you know who your sisters married?
Three of your siblings are/were GR members - are you in contact?
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ErikaH
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31 Jul 2024 15:06 |
1921 Census Of England & Wales 99, Gore Road, Hackney, London & Middlesex, England
Charles J Wregg Head Male 1872 48 Bethnal Green, London, England Parcel Postman General Post Office Louisa S Wregg Wife Female 1872 49 Holborn, London, England Home Duties - William A J Wregg Son Male 1901 20 Clerkenwell, London, England Letter Postman General Post Office George H Wregg Son Male 1906 15 Homerton, London, England Office Boy Bush & Co Ivy L P Wregg Daughter Female 1913 8 South Hackney, London, England - -
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ErikaH
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31 Jul 2024 15:18 |
From freebmd
Births Sep 1912 (>99%) Portway William A R Allen Bethnal G. 1c 302
1921 Census Of England & Wales 20, Mace Street, Bethnal Green, London & Middlesex, England
Thomas Portway Head Male 1875 46 Bethnal Green, London, England Labourer Bethnal Green, Borough Council Emily Portway Wife Female 1876 45 Bethnal Green, London, England Home Duties, Housewife Housewife Elizabeth Portway Daughter Female 1901 20 Bethnal Green, London, England Cork Machinist Crown Cork Company Lilian Portway Daughter Female 1903 18 Bethnal Green, London, England Cork Machinist Crown Cork Company Alfred Portway Son Male 1904 16 Bethnal Green, London, England Vanguard Panks Stores Howard Portway Son Male 1907 14 Bethnal Green, London, England - - Violet Portway Daughter Female 1909 11 Bethnal Green, London, England - - William Portway Son Male 1912 8 Bethnal Green, London, England - - Herbert Portway Son Male 1914 6 Bethnal Green, London, England -
Marriages Jun 1894 (>99%) Allen Emily Ann Shoreditch 1c 130 Portway Thomas William Shoreditch
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ErikaH
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31 Jul 2024 15:29 |
From the GRO site
PORTWAY, WILLIAM ALFRED RICHARD ALLEN GRO Reference: 1912 S Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 262
PORTWAY, HOWARD WILLIAM ALLEN GRO Reference: 1907 J Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 109
PORTWAY, VIOLET FLORENCE ALLEN GRO Reference: 1909 D Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 109
PORTWAY, LILIAN GEORGINA ETHEL ALLEN GRO Reference: 1903 J Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 197
PORTWAY, ALFRED JAMES ALLEN GRO Reference: 1904 D Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 210
PORTWAY, JOSEPH FREDERICK HENRY ALLEN GRO Reference: 1899 M Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 230
PORTWAY, ELIZABETH AMELIA ALLEN GRO Reference: 1901 M Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 227
PORTWAY, EMILY MARY ANN ALLEN GRO Reference: 1897 M Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 239
PORTWAY, THOMAS WILLIAM GEORGE ALLEN GRO Reference: 1895 J Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 161
PORTWAY, HERBERT GEORGE KITCHENER ALLEN GRO Reference: 1914 D Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 199
1911, they say they've had 8 children of whom 1 has died 1911 Census For England & Wales 6 Flints Court Mace Street Bethnal Green, Bethnal Green, London & Middlesex, England Thomas George Portway Head Married Male 36 1875 Carman London Bethnal Green Emily Ann Portway Wife Married Female 34 1877 - London Bethnal Green Thomas William Portway Son Single Male 16 1895 - London Bethnal Green Emily Ann Portway Daughter Single Female 14 1897 - London Bethnal Green Elizabeth Amelia Portway Daughter Single Female 10 1903 - London Bethnal Green Lillian Georgina Ethel Portway Daughter Single Female 8 1903 - London Bethnal Green Alfred James Portway Son Single Male 6 1905 - London Bethnal Green Howard William Portway Son Single Male 4 1907 - London Bethnal Green Violet Florence Portway Daughter Single Female 2 1909 - London Bethnal Green Frederick Cove Boarder - Male 20 1891 Carman London Bethnal Green
Don't know at the moment whether the HEAD's correct name is Thomas George as per census, or Thomas William, as per marriage record
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ErikaH
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31 Jul 2024 15:35 |
Name Joseph F. H. Portway Age 7 Record Type Burial Birth Date abt 1899 Death Date abt 1906 Burial Date 23 Jun 1906 Burial Place Waltham Forest, Greater London, England Cemetery Chingford Mount Cemetery Cemetery Section C10 Grave Number 72339 Interment Number 72433
Deaths Jun 1906 (>99%) Portway Joseph 7 Whitechapel 1c 187
Name Joseph Frederick Henry Portway Gender Male Record Type Baptism Baptism Date 1 Jan 1899 Baptism Place St John, Bethnal Green, Tower Hamlets, England Father Thomas William George Portway****************************** Mother Emily Ann Portway Register Type Parish Register
Name Joseph Portway Age 4 Birth Date 15 Dec 1898 Admission Date 5 Jan 1903 School Globe Road School Father Thos Portway Notes Globe Road School (0244) opened in 1874. Renamed Pilgrim School in 1951
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toni
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1 Aug 2024 00:55 |
hi Erika
Apparently Dorothy changed her name to Josephine after she had remarried. It is believed that she was born in Essex and was adopted. Maybe that is why I can't find her birth record. Am I in contact with some of the siblings. I have had most contact with Tracey and little contact with Tanya, Hannah and Amy. The others I have had no contact with.
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Gwyn in Kent
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1 Aug 2024 07:14 |
If Dorothy was formally adopted, you might now be able to find out more about that, since privacy laws have been changed. Intermediary services will help.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/relatives-of-adopted-adults-now-able-to-trace-family-tree
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1 Aug 2024 10:46 |
Expanding on ErikaH's previous mention of the 2002 ER -
The twins are both listed as Tremayne on the 2002 ER, at same address as their mother and stepfather.
They were under 6 years old when their mother remarried, and their mother and stepfather were still together up to Dorothy's death, per ERs.
If Dorothy "ran off with her daughter's husband" it would have had to be one of the older daughters - but there's no evidence of that. It's definitely not Tracey, per ERs - and you will know that anyway, as you are in touch with her. Purely from an age point of view, I suppose it's just possible that Tremayne could have been a boyfriend/partner of the third daughter, who didn't marry until after her mother and stepfather had married - but there's no way to know that without asking her!
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ErikaH
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1 Aug 2024 11:12 |
If, as you say, you wish to trace your background, toni, you have been given a lot of info on which to base your searches for the Portway line.
Until - and unless - you discover your mother's BIRTH name, you can go no further on her line.
I posted death records for her two days ago - one of which shows actual DoB, so you have a little more info to work on if you decide to try to trace her adoption - which has to be through official channels.
Her death cert should also say where she was born, but that may not be accurate...........
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