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Margaret was born in 1891 in St. Helens, Lancashire, to parents Thomas Roberts and Margaret Naylor. I can't find any information, other than her birth. Can anyone help?

Thanks.

Is it possible that she died?


All I could find is her birth registration on GRO, which I presume you have ......

ROBERTS, MARGARET NAYLOR
GRO Reference: 1891 D Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 699

I found a tree on Ancestry that listed her ......

The tree is under Alistair Cartland Glover Family Tree

He says this is her in 1901 ......


Name Margaret Roberts
Age 9
Estimated Birth Year abt 1892
Relation to Head Daughter
Gender Female
Father Thomas Roberts
Mother Margaret Roberts
Birth Place St Helens, Lancashire, England
Civil parish St Helen
Ecclesiastical parish St Mark
Town St Helen
County/Island Lancashire
Country England
Registration district Prescot
Sub-registration district St Helens

Household members
Name Age
Thomas Roberts 46
Margaret Roberts 45
James Roberts 18
Robert Roberts 16
Annie Roberts 13
Jane Roberts 11
Margaret Roberts 9

and as a servant in 1911 .................

Record details
Name Margaret Roberts
Age in 1911 19
Estimated Birth Year abt 1892
Relation to Head Servant
Gender Female
Birth Place St Helens, Lancashire, England
Civil parish Llanrwst
County/Island Denbighshire
Country Wales
Street Address Gwynfyn Llanrwst North Wales
Marital Status Single
Occupation General Servant (domestic)
Registration district Llanrwst

I have only looked at what he has in his tree, so now over to you to follow it up and see if it is accurate

I did do a check on GRO, and it does seem like the correct Margaret in 1901 .............

ROBERTS, JOHN RICHARD NAYLOR
GRO Reference: 1884 J Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 445

ROBERTS, THOMAS NAYLOR
GRO Reference: 1880 J Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 757

ROBERTS, ALICE MAUD NAYLOR
GRO Reference: 1886 S Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 362

ROBERTS, ANN NAYLOR NAYLOR
GRO Reference: 1887 J Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 751

ROBERTS, JANE NAYLOR
GRO Reference: 1889 S Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 696

Where have you looked?

Follow-through on these..............if you haven't already done so


Marriages Dec 1913 (>99%)
Roberts Margaret Edwards Llanrwst 11b 600
Marriages Sep 1914 (>99%)
Roberts Margaret Evans Llanrwst 11b 541
Marriages Mar 1915 (>99%)
Roberts Margaret Owen Llanrwst 11b 426
Marriages Mar 1916 (>99%)
Roberts Margaret Williams Llanrwst 11b 49[6_]
Marriages Dec 1918 (>99%)
Roberts Margaret Hughes Llanrwst 11b 554
Marriages Dec 1920 (>99%)
Roberts Margaret Owen Llanrwst 11b 736
Marriages Jun 1921 (>99%)
Roberts Margaret Davies Llanrwst 11b 616
Roberts Margaret Jones Llanrwst 11b 613


And these......................

Marriages Jun 1911 (>99%)
Roberts Margaret Prescot 8b 1214
Marriages Mar 1912 (>99%)
Roberts Margaret Owen Prescot 8b 921 S
Roberts Margaret McManus Prescot 8b 912
Marriages Sep 1915 (>99%)
Roberts Margaret Graley Prescot 8b 1718
Marriages Dec 1915 (>99%)
Roberts Margaret Mather Prescot 8b 1522

Another option would be to obtain copy birth cert for exact DoB and search on 1939 using that data

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
97, Oxford Street, St Helens, Prescot, Lancashire, England

Persons listed as per SylviaInCanada entry

1911 Census For England & Wales
97 Oxford Street St Helens, St Helens, Lancashire, England

Thomas Brown and family

Margarets mother and father died before 1911 according to the Alistair Cartland Glover Family Tree, which would account for why the family are no longer living at the Oxford Street address

So, I'll ask the question .... with regard to the 1911 Census
Are we to accept that the Margaret Roberts listed in 1911 Census as a servant, born in St Helens, who is bilingual in English and Welsh is the same Margaret born in St Helens to a bricklayer from Doncaster ???

I suppose she could has learned Welsh at some point after the parents died, but is it not more likely that the 1911 Margaret, although born in St Helens, was born to a Welsh speaking parent? Or a link to Wales?

Could this be the Margaret OP is searching for ..................?

1911 Census For England & Wales
49 Haresfinch Road St Helens Lancashire, St Helens, Lancashire, England

Margaret Cundliffe Head Female 76 1835 Private means Lancs St Helens
Margaret Roberts Servant Female 18 1893 Domestic servant Lancs St Helens

Comments and observations invited.

I agree that the Welsh-speaking woman in 1911 is unlikely to be the right one.

The one in Haresfinch Road is certainly a possibility
(Mistranscribed as Boberts on Ancestry.)

I've checked out a few Prescot marriages (1911 - 1921) of women named Margaret Roberts.

Follow-up to this one eludes me:

Marriages Jun 1911 (>99%)
Holt Stephen Prescot 8b 1214
Roberts Margaret Prescot 8b 1214

The couple who married in 1911

1921 Census Of England & Wales
33, Brudenell Grove, Leeds, Yorkshire (West Riding), England

Stephen Holt Head Male 1875 45 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Engineer Surveyor Vulcan Boiler & General Insurance Co Ltd
Margaret Holt Wife Female 1881 39 Lancashire, England Home Duties -
Margaret Kathleen Holt Daughter Female 1912 9 Leeds, Yorkshire, England - -

Actual birthplace for wife is Huyton Quarry

The marriage was not CofE, so no possibility of an image online

Oh well, back to the drawing board!

There are further births for the name in Prescot in 1892

And these two from 1891

ROBERTS, MARGARET ELLEN JONES
GRO Reference: 1891 S Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 671

ROBERTS, MARGARET ANN JONES
GRO Reference: 1891 S Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 718

The only one in which the OP is interested is the one born with MMN Naylor ;-) ;-) ;-)

It would be sensible for her to get the birth cert

ErikaH- Noted. I was trying to highlight that when OP comes to research Marriages Deaths etc there were more than 1 Margaret Roberts with an 1891 Birthdate registered in Prescot.........

Understood, but both of those have second forenames, which one assumes they would use on any subsequent records……although it isn’t guaranteed, of course

Thanks everyone for your help. My Margaret was definitely the one born in 1891 to Thomas Roberts and Margaret Naylor. Thomas was a bricklayer. Thomas' father, John Roberts, was born in Wales (Llangollen) in 1824 so there is a Welsh connection but it seems to end with him as he must've moved to St. Helens at some point as all his children were born in St. Helens.
Thomas and Margaret died before the 1911 census, Thomas in 1908 and Margaret in 1904.
Margaret definitely only had the one forename so we can eliminate those with more than one.
I'm quite happy to get her birth certificate but I'm not sure how that would help in 1939 census if she married. It's such a common name that I fear it may stay as a brick wall.

Do you know what happened to all of her siblings?

Have you found them all up to their deaths?

1939 records actual DoB…………….

I'm not near my notes at present so doing this bit from memory.
I seem to remember Margaret's sister, Jane, married Herbert Brown in, I think 1914, and they emigrated to Canada. Members of Genes helped me with this.
It's interesting that Jink20 mentions a Brown family living at 97 Oxford Street in 1911, the same address the Roberts family lived in 1901. Off hand I can't remember the name of Herbert's father, will have to check - but can this be a coincidence?

Yes, it's a coincidence - and a very common name.

Herbert's father was William:

Herbert Aaron Brown
in the 1901 England Census
Name Herbert Aaron Brown
Age 15
Estimated Birth Year abt 1886
Relation to Head Son
Gender Male
Father William Brown
Mother Jane Elizabeth Brown
Birth Place St Helens, Lancashire, England
Civil parish St Helen
Ecclesiastical parish Eccleston Christchurch
Town St Helen
County/Island Lancashire
Country England
Registration district Prescot
Sub-registration district St Helens
ED, institution, or vessel 32
Neighbors
Piece 3524
Folio 64
Page number 5
Household schedule number 23
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
William Brown 43 Head
Jane Elizabeth Brown 43 Wife
James Parsons Brown 20 Son
Alice Hayward Brown 16 Daughter
Herbert Aaron Brown 15 Son
Annice Isabella Brown 13 Daughter
Florence Mabel Brown 10 Daughter
Joseph Farrow Evans 30 Boarder
Isabella Jane Carlisle 45 Boarder

Address: 74 Lugsmore Lane.


William died before 1911 - probably 1908..


Herbert Brown
in the 1911 England Census
Name Herbert Brown
Age in 1911 25
Estimated Birth Year abt 1886
Relation to Head Son
Gender Male
Birth Place St Helens, Lancashire, England
Civil parish St Helens
County/Island Lancashire
Country England
Street Address 5 Roby St St Helens
Marital Status Single
Occupation Glass Cutter
Registration District Number 456
Sub-registration district St Helens
ED, institution, or vessel 30
Piece 22784
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Jane E Brown 52 Head
Alice Brown 26 Daughter
Herbert Brown 25 Son
Florrie Brown 20 Daughter
Annie Edwards 23 Daughter
John Edwards 24 Son-in-law

I wonder if it’s worth getting Jane’s marriage certificate to see where she was living in 1914, though I suspect she could be doing domestic work somewhere.