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I noticed that his death registration was as Bruce.
Not a happy life, poor man.
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Thanks.
That's definitely Brice.
I've just discovered that a tree on Ancestry has an image of the cemetery's burial record, which calls him Bruce, but gives his address as Claybury Mental Hospital.
Poor Brice!
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That one is in Claybury Mental Hospital, Woodford Bridge
Single
Birthplace not known
Former occupation nil
Person making the return G J Barham
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Actually, this looks like a much better possibility in1921:
B W W
S
1886
Not Known
Ilford
Romford
Essex
Would you mind having a look at that, please, ErikaH?
As it's only initials, I suppose it must be an institution of some sort, so there may not be much more info - but the initials and YOB are correct, and Brice's death was registered in Romford.
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Hmmm.
Yes, it definitely not informative.
The initial doesn't look anything like a B. In fact, I can't tell what it is.
No ages, which doesn't help at all.
IF that's Brice, there's no sign of him having married - though I suppose a partner could just be calling herself Mrs.
Thanks anyway, ErikaH!
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First name(s) B
Enumeration district number 18
Last name Sabin
County London, Middlesex
Sex Male
Country England
Birth year -
Parliamentary borough or division Holborn PB
Census date 19 June 1921
Archive The National Archives
Age in years -
Archive series RG 15
Relationship to head Visitor
Piece number 01255
Birth place -
Page 2
Language used to complete form English
District reference RD 12 RS 1 ED 18, 29, 21, 19, 25, 26, 32
House name Imperial Hotel
Schedule type code EEE
Address Imperial Hotel
Schedule type England household, multiple page, 70 entries
Full address as transcribed Imperial Hotel
Other household member's first name(s) A B, A C, A H, A, B Nan, B
Parish St Giles in the Fields & St George Bloomsbury
Below the above record is a Mrs Sabin
As with the above, no age, no birthplace, no occupation
Also, I'm far from convinced that the initial is actually 'B'
Sorry about the jumbled info - it's FMP's way of showing it
I'll send you the image - for your evaluation
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EDIT:
BRICE (below) HAS NOW BEEN FOUND IN 1921.
HOWEVER, THE DEATH OF HIS FATHER WALTER IS STILL A MYSTERY.
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Please, will someone post the details for this record in 1921 ?:
B
Sabin
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St Giles in the Fields & St George Bloomsbury
St Giles
London, Middlesex
He's with 69 other people, in what must be a hostel or home of some sort.
I'm presuming this is Brice Wiggins Walter Sabin.
On the face of it, poor Brice didn't have much of a life.
Born 1886 in Banbury RD, baptised 1888 in Warkworth, Northants.
1891: he's a boarder with another family, in Acomb, York..
His father had either died or abandoned Brice and his mother before 1891.
His mother died in 1899, and Brice (aged 13) was the informant, present at her death of heart disease.
1901 and 1911 he's in a boys' home in Stepney. 1911 says it's a Barnardo's Home.
He died in 1927 and is buried in Chingford Mount Cemetery.
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Also, perhaps someone can find the death (or other record) of his father, Walter Sabin 1851.
I don't see Walter, or his death, after 1888.
I have the pre-marriage history of both Walter and his wife, so please don't bother with that.
SABIN, WALTER mmn ENSTONE
GRO Reference: 1851 J Quarter in BANBURY UNION Volume 16 Page 26
Marriages Dec 1881 (>99%)
Sabin Walter Wantage 2c 680
WIGGINS Jane Susannah A Wantage 2c 680
In 1881 they're living together before marriage:
Jane Sabin
in the 1881 England Census
Name Jane Sabin
Age 26
Estimated Birth Year abt 1855
Relationship to Head Wife
Spouse Walter Sabin
Gender Female
Where born Ascott, Warwickshire, England
Civil parish Speen
County/Island Berkshire
Country England
Street Address Speen
Marital Status Married
Registration district Newbury
ED, institution, or vessel 3
Neighbors
Piece 1271
Folio 66
Page number 19
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Walter Sabin 29 Head - labourer, Sibford, Oxfordshire.
Jane Sabin 26 Wife
Elijah Hall 26 Lodger
Their son Brice was born in 1886.
In 1888 a Walter Sabin (a miller) was sentenced to 3 weeks with hard labour , for stealing a manure fork at Hook Norton, Oxon.
"My" Walter's father William was a miller, which makes me think this is the right man. Also, several of his siblings lived in the Hook Norton/Sibford area..
I can't find any definite trace of him after that.
In 1891 Jane is calling herself a widow, and working as a cook in Holgate, York - hence the reason for Brice being a boarder in York..
She died in 1899, in Portsea. Brice was the informant, and was present at her death.
The death cert says "Widow of Walter Sabin, miller's labourer."
Thanks!
I'll look back later.
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