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OMG re the last post from ErikaH.

Do I deduce from the dates for each child that they all died extremely young??

:-( :-(

Alexander James
Shaw
03/07/1862
03/08/1862
Kamptee
Madras
Father David
Mother Frances Ralston

David George Leving
Shaw
01/07/1860
02/08/1860
Trichinopoly
Madras
David

Gertrude Augusta
Shaw
13/02/1858
17/03/1858
Trichinopoly
Madras
David


Nina Harriet Arden
Shaw
28/05/1856
07/08/1856
Ootacamund
Madras
David

FATAL ACCIDENT TO A GENERAL

The body of Lt- Gen David Shaw of 8k Bickenhall Mansions, Marlybone Rd, was lying at the Marylebone Mortuary this (Friday) morning, awaiting a Coroner's inquest. The General, who was 73 years of age, met his death by an accident, the circumstances of which will be disclosed at the Coroner's inquiry, which will be fully reported in the next issue of the Marylebone Mercury.

9 Aug 1902


Not finding any further info on this I'm afraid.

First name(s) Alexander James
Father's last name Shaw
Last name Shaw
Mother's first name(s) Frances Rolston
Birth year 1862
Archive reference N-2-43
Birth date 03 Jul 1862
Folio 187
Baptism year 1862
Catalogue descriptions Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Madras
Baptism date 3 Aug 1862
Record set British India Office Births & Baptisms
Place Kamptee
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Presidency Madras
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Father's first name(s) David
Collections from Great Britain, UK None


Do you know about this son? Another one who died young.


SHAW: On the 22nd Sept, at sea, homeward bound, Alexander James Shaw, Major Indian Staff Corps, 2nd son of the late Lt-Gen David Shaw, Madras Staff Corps, aged 40.

Homeward Mail from India, China and the East
London 29 Sept 1902.


Returning to the family after his father's death?

First name(s) John Stewart
Father's last name Shaw
Last name Shaw
Mother's first name(s) Frances Ralston
Birth year 1866
Archive reference N-2-47
Birth date 27 Jan 1866
Folio 20
Baptism year 1866
Catalogue descriptions Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Madras
Baptism date 7 Mar 1866
Record set British India Office Births & Baptisms
Place Madras,St George
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Presidency Madras
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Father's first name(s) David

45 St Charles Square (Frances's address on her death cert) was the home of the Mackeson family.

William Wyllis Mackeson, a barrister, was the resident at 45 St Charles Square from at least 1881 onwards, per the Electoral Rolls and 1881 census.

He died in 1892.

After 1892, No 45 wasn't listed again until 1898, when his widow Anne Mackeson lived there until her death in 1909, though by that time her son-in-law Lt Col Sidney Cargill is the householder on the ER..

Frances must just have been a guest or boarder there before her death.

YES!

I've now found David's death in 1902 with probate to Fanny Mould Shaw. She is recorded as his wife in the 1901.

She is nee Sillery and they married in London in 1896. A VERY MUCH YOUNGER WIFEY!

Death -

First name(s) David
County London
Last name Shaw
Page 336
Birth year 1829
Age 73
Death quarter 3
Death year 1902
District Marylebone

Probate -
SHAW David of 8k Bickenhall Mansions, Gloucester Place Middlesex retired Lieutenant-General in the indian army staff corps died 5 August 1902. Probate London 2 September to Fanny Mould Shaw widow

Gosh, Greyghost you are officially amazing and thank you so much. Fabulous yet sad information.

The chances are that his middle name would have either been Samuel or Stewart; seems I chose the wrong one .................

That puts an end to the poor talented chap. :-(

I am guessing that his mother may have returned to England with her young son, was not in the best of health in 1891 two years before her death. She may have been in a hospital or similar and missed off the census .............

THANK YOU again.

Is this David - a boarder in Hove (despite it saying Married)

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
32, Brunswick Place, Hove, Steyning, Sussex, England

First name(s) David
Registration district Steyning
Last name Shaw
Sub-district Shoreham
Relationship Boarder
Enumeration district 5
Marital status Married
Parliamentary borough or division Brighton
Sex Male
Municipal borough or ward Goldsmid
Age 71
Ecclesiastical parish or district St Patrick
Birth year 1830
Other household member first name(s) -
Birth town -
Other household member last name -
Birth place India
Archive reference RG13
Birth place other as transcribed INDIA
Piece number 935
Birth county -
Folio 89
Occupation Retired lieutenant general indian army
Page 11
Full address 32, Brunswick Place, Hove, Steyning, Sussex, England
Schedule 62
House number 32
Record set 1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Street Brunswick Place
Category Census, land & surveys
Parish Hove
Subcategory Census
County Sussex
Collections from Great Britain, England
Country England

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Sketch of John in THE GRAPHIC dated 5 Feb. 1887 and named in Deaths column of The Bangalore spectator Wednesday January 5th 1887 (from FMP)

Google -
Lieut. John Stewart SHAW: the Queen's Royal West Surrey Regiment Born Jan. 27, 1866. Died of Cholera, at Yemethen, Burma, Dec. 14, 1886 Was the youngest son of Colonel David Shaw, madras Staff Corps. Passing out second of his batch from Sandhurst, he selected and joined, in January of last year, the Queen's Royal West Surrey Regiment, then stationed at Calcutta. On the opening of the autumn campaign he proceeded with his regiment to Burma, joining the division operating in the Yemethen district. He took part in several engagements, and while in the enjoyment of excellent health was seized, on December 8th, with cholera, and died at Yemethen in the 14th. This promising young officer was a general favourite in his regiment, and had already gained the esteem and confidence of his superiors in command.

Source: The Graphic" dated July 9, 1887

Ancestry tree has her son John as John Stewart Shaw + 5 siblings. I haven't trawled through all 30 trees on ancestry with her in but none on the first page have her whereabouts in 1891. Those that mention John have a year of birth but not death and almost nil else about him.

did john follow his Father into the Army perhaps, so could be anywhere in the world

Death registered in the Kensington RD and the index to Death duties on FMP says she resided in Kensington.

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Jun 1893 (>99%)
Shaw Frances Ralston 61 Kensington 1a 84

Probate granted 1895 - Frances Ralston shaw of 45 St Charles Square, North Kensington Middlesex (wife of David Shaw) died 20 May 1893. Probate London 20 May 1895 to the said David Shaw retired Lieutenant General in Her Majesty's indian Army

For helpers - it appears she was baptised in Cheadle, Cheshire - the abode at the time says Didsbury and Madras. Father's occupation - Army.

Cheshire Diocese Of Chester Bishop's Transcripts Baptisms 1576-1906
Great Britain

First name(s) Frances Ralston
Country England
Last name Bayley
Father's first name(s) James
Sex Female
Father's last name Bayley
Birth year 1832
Mother's first name(s) Anetella
Baptism year 1832
Record set Cheshire Diocese Of Chester Bishop's Transcripts Baptisms 1576-1906
Baptism date 21 Jun 1832
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Place Cheadle
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
County Cheshire
Collections from England, Great Britain
Cheshire Archives and Local Studies

Can anyone see what became of this lady in 1891 who married Lieutenant General DAVID SHAW of the Madras Staff Corps?

She was born in 1832 and died in 1893 in London. She left her estate to her widower David Shaw but I can't find what became of him either ............

I am ONLY looking for her in the 1891 census, please.

I can see her in 1881 with her son John S. Shaw aged 15, born Madras; his birth place figures.

It would not surprise me if John's middle name is in fact SAMUEL going forward and I would very much like to see if anything is revealed about him, too. I.e., JOHN ?possibly Samuel? SHAW born c.1865+/-.