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Wow the photograph is a picture of John my mother in laws half brother ,, we never knew what happened to him he . We assumed he died in the war !!! Well done . Very happy

That link also has a photo of him as an older man

Just because it cropped up - - photo of John Daniel when a boy, and WW2 record:

https://www.aucklandmuseum.com/war-memorial/online-cenotaph/record/C121046

2005:

John Daniel Clark
in the New Zealand, Electoral Rolls, 1853-2010
Name John Daniel Clark [and Eileen Edith Sarah ]
Electoral Year 2005
Residence Street Address 9 Grantston Drive
Residence Place Tauranga, New Zealand
District Tauranga
Occupation Retiree



In 2010 John Daniel is at another address in Tauranga - but no Eileen.
She's with him at that address in 2008, but not after.

:-D :-D :-D

John Daniel Clark
in the New Zealand, Electoral Rolls, 1853-2010
Name John Daniel Clark
Electoral Year 1981
Residence Street Address 20 Wynyard Street
Residence Place New Zealand
District Auckland Central
Region or Province Auckland

And Eileen Edith Sarah Clark.

Definitely the right couple.


1987:

John Daniel Clark
in the New Zealand, Electoral Rolls, 1853-2010
Name John Daniel Clark [and Eileen Edith Sarah ]
Electoral Year 1987
Residence Street Address 104 St Heliers Bay Road
Residence Place New Zealand
District Tamaki
Occupation Custodian

Name Eileen E S Clark
Electoral Year 1978
Residence Street Address 20 Wynyard Street
Residence Place New Zealand
District Auckland Central
Region or Province Auckland

PLUS John D Clark
BUT.....unless you get copy of marriage cert, you can't be certain whether this is John DANIEL Clark

1939 Register
21 Macdonald Avenue, Southend-On-Sea, Southend-On-Sea C.B., Essex, England
Ferdinand M Hindmarsh 15 Mar 1897 Male Carpenter & Joiner Government Employ Married 209 1
Edith M Hindmarsh 31 Jan 1895 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 209 2
The record for this person is officially closed.


Name Ferdinand Mackenzie Hindmarsh
Birth Date 1897
Death Date 15 Dec 1983
Cemetery Waikumete Cemetery & Crematorium
Burial or Cremation Place Glen Eden, Auckland Council, Auckland, New Zealand


Name Mr F M Hindmarsh
Gender Male
Departure Age 57
Birth Date abt 1897
Departure Date 11 Aug 1954
Departure Port England
Ship Name Orontes
Shipping Line Orient Line
Destination Port Sydney, Australia
Master John Dudley Birch
Also travelling Mrs E M Hindmarsh and Mrs E E S Clark (age 29)

Can't see any definite sign of John Daniel apart from his birth - but there are lots of John D Clarks who married in various places.

This one might be a slight possibility, as his family were in Southend in 1939, and his mother Eileen died in Southend;

Marriages Sep 1947 (>99%)
Clark John D Hindmarsh Southend 4a 2115
Hindmarsh Eileen E S Clark Southend 4a 2115

They don't appear to have had children in England/Wales/Scotland.


I don't see the deaths of either of them - both born 1925.

Sheila seems to have married in 1951 and is on ER to 2011

This is probably connected

OLLEY, NORMAN HARRY 1928
GRO Reference: DOR Q1/2010 in SOUTHEND-ON-SEA (4751A) Reg 1A024 Entry Number 502605187

Eileen and Reggie Bloyce probably had a daughter, born 1942 in Harwich reg district, mmn Clarke.
See FreeBMD for details.

I don't see any other sign of her.

Births from the above site..............make use of it

CLARK, SHEILA MARGARET KILLEEN
GRO Reference: 1930 D Quarter in RICHMOND Volume 02A Page 886

CLARK, JOHN DANIEL KILLEEN
GRO Reference: 1925 J Quarter in WEST HAM Volume 04A Page 571

When researching, take care not to confuse John with this one

CLARK, JOHN DONALD DONNELLY
GRO Reference: 1925 J Quarter in WEST HAM Volume 04A Page 416

Deaths after 2007 are here

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp

The closed records are nothing to do with any family rift.
Most families on the 1939 Register have one or more closed records.

It's purely whether or not the person has died, and if they have, whether or not the death has been picked up or notified.

To open a 1939 record you have to provide proof of the individual's death..................so you’ll need to do the research

From FMP
What happens if my ancestor’s record is closed, even though I know they’re no longer alive?

If you think that someone should appear on the 1939 Register because they’ve died, you can request online a copy of their death certificate from the General Register Office (GRO), included in the Useful links section on this page. A certificate costs £9.25.*********OUT OF DATE. Certs cost £11.00

How do you unclose a record ?
Lavinia was born in Dublin.

William Thomas Clark married Lillian Killeen and had 4 Children
Then William Thomas Clark went off with his niece Anna Elizabeth Violet Clark daughter to his brother James Henry Clark and their child / daughter was Jessica Clark ( My mother in law) As you can imagine massive rift, we are trying to find out the truth through records.
I'm wondering if that is why the records are closed

I see you have Lavinia Clark 1920 on your GR tree, Kelly, born in Dublin.

William and Lilian in 1939 - in the same street as James Henry and May Violet:


William T Clark
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name William T Clark
Gender Male
Marital Status Married
Birth Date 11 Apr 1899
Residence Date 1939
Address 486 London Rd
Residence Place Southend-On-Sea, Essex, England
Occupation Manager Butchery Shop Asst
Line Number 42
Schedule Number 22
Sub Schedule Number 1
Enumeration District Dagh
Borough Southend-On-Sea
Registration district 195-3/Ed. No 44 60
Inferred Spouse
Lilian E Clark
Inferred Children
Eileen A Clark
Household Members (Name) Gender
William T Clark Male
Lilian E Clark Female - 11 July 1902
Ladislas M Clark Female [Lavinia ] - 23 Sept 1920
Eileen A Clark Female - 24 July 1922
This record is officially closed.
This record is officially closed.


Only two possible younger children with them - though the closed records could be anybody, not necessarily children.

I don't see them in 1921.


Lavinia's marriage and death:

Marriages Mar 1941 (>99%)
Clark Lavinia M Thipthorpe Southend 4a 1955


THIPTHORPE, LAVINIA MAY 1920
GRO Reference: DOR Q3/2017 in DEVON (423-1G) Entry Number 516080382

Her husband Ronald Herbert Thipthorpe died in 1974.

I don't see Lavinia's birth.

Eileen's marriage and death:

Marriages Sep 1941 (>99%)
Bloyce Reggie G Clark Southend 4a 2503
Clark Eileen A E Bloyce Southend 4a 2503

BLOYCE, EILEEN ANNIE E 1922
GRO Reference: DOR Q2/1991 in SOUTHEND ON SEA (4751C) Volume 9 Page 2917 Entry Number 14

Deaths 1987
BLOYCE REGGIE CARNHAM 3JE1919 TOWER HAMLET 14 1075



If Lilian is Elizabeth (birth posted on page 1), her year of birth is wrong - 1902 instead of c1896-7, as in birth record on page 1, and Lily's age stated in 1911.


You would have to buy Mary's birth cert to see if she's William and Lilian's daughter or not.
I don't see a likely death for her , 1931 - 1939

Look for a death

Check 1939 register

Buy copy birth cert for names of parents

Births Sep 1931 (>99%) - Not sure this child belongs to William & Lillian Clark
Clark Mary Killeen Billericay 4a 1090

I'm wondering if the baby survived