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He is in a GR tree other than yours, so try making contact.
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As Nameslessone advises - don't trust info on anyone's tree without documentary evidence.
The tree quoted by Maddie doesn't mention Allan.
My suggestion that Albert and Lillian may have been his parents is only a suggestion, as I can't prove it from online info, and I might be wrong.
You still need Allan's birth cert to be sure of his parents' names.
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Thank you all very much for the information
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Thank you all very much for the information
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Always confirm other people trees with your own research. Even the nearest relative can make mistakes.
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1921 Census Of England & Wales
18, Salop Street, Brades Village, Oldbury, Staffordshire, England
Household members (5 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Sex Birth year Age in years Birth place Occupation Employer
Thomas Charles Ellsmore Head
Male 1881 40 West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England Coach Axle Filer Mr A Oldbury Coach Axle S & Spring Out Of N E Manufacturers
Elizabeth Ellsmore Wife
Female 1881 40 Tividale, Staffordshire, England Home Duties -
Lily May Ellsmore Daughter
Female 1910 11 West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England - -
Thomas Charles Ellsmore Son
Male 1913 8 West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England - -
Vera Gertrude Ellsmore Daughter
Female 1920 1 - - -
1921 Census Of England & Wales
49, Queen Street, Smethwick, Worcestershire, England
Household members (10 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Sex Birth year Age in years Birth place Occupation Employer
John Allen Howard Head
Male 1877 44 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Tool Setter, Bolt Machine Guest Keen & Nettlefold
Evelyn Howard Wife
Female 1877 43 Smethwick, Staffordshire, England - -
John Howard Son
Male 1900 20 Smethwick, Staffordshire, England Sailor H M S Lucia Home On Furlough
Robert Howard Son
Male 1902 19 Smethwick, Staffordshire, England - Home On Furlough, Out Of Work
Albert Edward Howard Son
Male 1904 17 Smethwick, Staffordshire, England Mill Hand Evereds
Maisie Howard Daughter
Female 1906 15 - Straightener, Home Duties -
Wallace Howard Son
Male 1913 8 - - -
Stanley Howard Son
Male 1918 2 - - -
Marguerite Howard Daughter
Female 1917 4 - - -
Evie Howard Daughter
Female 1920 1 - - -
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from the howard family tree onancestry
Albert Edward Howard
1905–1971
Birth 17 FEB 1905 • Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Death JUL 1971 • Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
LifeStory Facts Gallery
Facts
1905(AGE)
Birth
17 Feb 1905 • Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
19061
Baptism
1 Apr 1906 • Warwickshire, England
19116
Residence
1911 • Smethwick, England
Relation to Head: Son
191712
Birth of sister Marguerite Howard(1917–1924)
6 Mar 1917 • Smethwick
192419
Death of sister Marguerite Howard(1917–1924)
Jul 1924 • Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
193025
Marriage
Oct 1930 • West Bromwich, Staffordshire, United Kingdom
Lillian May Ellsmore
(1910–1989)
193328
Death of brother Robert Howard(1902–1933)
Jul 1933 • Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
193530
Birth of son Brian Stanley Howard(1935–2009)
15 Jun 1935 • Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
193934
Residence
1939 • Staffordshire, England
196156
Death of father John Allen Howard(1877–1961)
Apr 1961 • Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
197166
Death
Jul 1971 • Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
1971
Burial
26 Aug 1971 • West Midlands, England
Sources
Ancestry sources
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1911 England Census
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1939 England and Wales Register
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Birmingham, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1919
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England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1837-1915
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England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
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England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
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England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
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Web: UK, Burial and Cremation Index, 1576-2014
Lillian May Ellsmore
1910–1989
Birth 15 MAY 1910 • West Bromwich
Death 15 DEC 1989 • Birmingham, West Midlands, England
LifeStory Facts Gallery
Facts
1910(AGE)
Birth
15 May 1910 • West Bromwich
19111
Residence
1911 • West Bromwich, England
Marital Status: Single; Relation to Head: Daughter
19209
Birth of sister Vera Ellsmore(1920–2004)
7 May 1920
192111
Birth of sister Kathleen Maud Ellsmore(1921–1977)
2 Dec 1921
193020
Marriage
Oct 1930 • West Bromwich, Staffordshire, United Kingdom
Albert Edward Howard
(1905–1971)
193525
Birth of son Brian Stanley Howard(1935–2009)
15 Jun 1935 • Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
193929
Residence
1939 • Staffordshire, England
194332
Death of father Thomas Charles Ellsmore(1881–1943)
17 Jan 1943
197161
Death of husband Albert Edward Howard(1905–1971)
Jul 1971 • Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
197766
Death of sister Kathleen Maud Ellsmore(1921–1977)
17 Mar 1977 • Queensway Quinton Birmingham
198979
Death
15 Dec 1989 • Birmingham, West Midlands, England
1989
Burial
22 Dec 1989 • West Midlands, England
Sources
Ancestry sources
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1911 England Census
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1939 England and Wales Register
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England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1837-1915
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England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
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England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
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Web: UK, Burial and Cremation Index, 1576-2014
Brian S
Last name Howard
Birth quarter 3
Birth year 1935
Mother's maiden name Ellsmore
District Smethwick
County Worcestershire
Country England
Volume 6B
Page 1152
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Births
Collections from Great Britain, England
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Have you tried researching this yourself?
Do you realise that the people who help on here are paying members - NOT paid employees?
Has this man asked you to find info for him?
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If Albert and Lillian are Allan's parents, it looks as if they may have named him with the middle names of both their fathers -
Allan/Allen from Albert's father, and Charles from Lillian's:
Albert Edward Howard
in the 1911 England Census
Name Albert Edward Howard
Age in 1911 5
Estimated Birth Year abt 1906
Relation to Head Son
Gender Male
Birth Place Smethwick
Civil parish Smethwick
County/Island Worcestershire
Country England
Street Address 49 Queen Street, Smethwick
Registration District Number 383
Sub-registration district Smethwick
ED, institution, or vessel 18
Piece 17960
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
John Allen Howard 34 Head
Evelina Howard 33 Wife
John Howard 10 Son
Robert Howard 9 Son
Leslie Stanton Howard 7 Son
Albert Edward Howard 5 Son
Maisie Howard 4 Daughter
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Posting just in case this is the right couple - but you need Allan's birth cert to verify his father's name:
Living in Smethwick in 1939 -
Lillian M Howard
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name Lillian M Howard
Gender Female
Marital Status Married
Birth Date 15 May 1910
Residence Date 1939
Address 37 Corser Street
Residence Place Smethwick, Staffordshire, England
Occupation Unpaid Domestic Duties
Line Number 30
Schedule Number 127
Sub Schedule Number 2
Enumeration District Omca
Borough Smethwick
Registration district 371 B 1
Inferred Spouse
Albert E Howard - 17/2 1905 - Brass & copper tube drawer
Household Members (Name) Gender
Albert E Howard Male
Lillian M Howard Female
This record is officially closed.
This record is officially closed.
This record is officially closed.
Lily May Ellsmore
in the 1911 England Census
Name Lily May Ellsmore
Age in 1911 10/12
Estimated Birth Year abt 1910
Relation to Head Daughter
Gender Female
Birth Place West Bromwich
Civil parish West Bromwich
County/Island Staffordshire
Country England
Street Address 33 Hill St, Hill Top, West Bromwich
Marital Status Single
Registration District Number 371
Sub-registration district West Bromwich North East
ED, institution, or vessel 06
Piece 17311
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Thomas Charles Ellsmore 30 Head
Elizabeth Ellsmore 30 Wife
George Henry Ellsmore 5 Son
Lily May Ellsmore 10/12 Daughter
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A possible sibling??
Brian S Howard in Smethwick in 1935, with mmn Ellsmore (with 2 Ls)
Possible marriage of parents, on FreeBMD??
Marriages Dec 1930 (>99%)
Ellsmore Lilian M Howard W.Bromwich 6b 1779
Howard Albert E Ellsmore W.Bromwich 6b 1779
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You can find Allan’s mother’s first name by looking for a Howard/Elsmore marriage on freebmd.
You can confirm the names of his parents by buying the birth certificate. This would also give you his father’s occupation and an address.
Once you know both names you should be able to find them on the 1939 index, hopefully with their family and then you can work back through the various census.
Added: the marriage is not on freebmd so you will need to buy the birth certificate from the GRO
You could also checkout other trees by looking at Search/ search all members trees.
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Looking for ancestors of Allan Charles Howard born 1946 in Smethwick, his mother's maiden name was Elsmore.
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