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Terence
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9 Feb 2024 14:45 |
Daniel Beckley 1791 - 1850 was my three times grandfather. The brickwall is - where did he come from before the family lived in Tubney and who were his ancestors? There is thought that he changed his name from the Beckinsales that lived in the Bampton, Aston area in Oxfordshire, in fact Ancestry suggests that this Daniel Beckinsale 1788 is my third times grandfather, but he has different descendants in other peoples family trees that i have checked. One of Daniel Beckleys sons, Gabriel Beckley 1815 was born in Tubney (then Bekshire) is shown as Beckinsale on his marriage certificate in 1847which also shows his father' name to be Beckinsale. On their death certificates they are shown as Beckley.
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ErikaH
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9 Feb 2024 14:54 |
It may be that the 'trees' on Ancestry are based on false assumptions.
Many trees on that site are works of fiction, so unless you can verify their info, trust only your own research
On 1841 census, Daniel's birthplace is NOT Berkshire
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ErikaH
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9 Feb 2024 15:11 |
For INFO.............to help the helpers
Obviously, the birth year is 'rounded' as per instructions to enumerators for 1841 census
1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Tubneys, Tubney, Abingdon, Berkshire, England Daniel Beckley Male 50 1791 - Elizabeth Beckley Female 45 1796 Berkshire, England Gabriel Beckley Male 25 1816 Berkshire, England David Beckley Male 15 1826 Berkshire, England Stephen Beckley Male 14 1827 Berkshire, England Mary Beckley Female 12 1829 Berkshire, England Eliza Beckley Female 10 1831 Berkshire, England Emma Beckley Female 8 1833 Berkshire, England Thomas Beckley Male 4 1837 Berkshire, England
Gabriel's baptism records mother's name as Ann..........all of the others as Elizabeth
Name Daniel Beckley Gender Male Marriage Date 22 Nov 1813 Marriage Place Fyfield, Berkshire, England Spouse Elizabeth Taylor Witnesses Sibylla TAYLOR; Mary BROOKS
The man's death
BECKLEY, DANIEL 61 GRO Reference: 1850 J Quarter in ABINGDON Volume 06 Page 89
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ErikaH
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9 Feb 2024 15:14 |
Time-scale is certainly in line with age at death
First name(s) Daniel Father's first name(s) Wm. Last name Beckinsale Father's last name Beckinsale Sex Male Mother's first name(s) Hester Baptism year 1788 Record set Oxfordshire Baptisms Baptism date 12 Oct 1788*********************************** Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Place Bampton Subcategory Parish Baptisms County Oxfordshire Collections from England, Great Britain Country England
There is no ongoing info for the above using the name Beckinsale on either FMP or Ancestry
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9 Feb 2024 15:14 |
Bampton Aston, Oxfordshire is not too far from Tubney now Oxfordshire then Berkshire.
Parish records for Tubney would be held in Berkshire.
I agree that you cannot take other peoples trees for the truth. Even the best researchers make mistakes. You need to follow through with the family you are sure of and do the research. I do know that Oxfordshire FHS records are very good, I don;t know how good the Berkshire ones are. added. Don't forget that accents can make a bif difference to other people spellings one name.
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Maddie
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9 Feb 2024 15:19 |
burial
Daniel Place Tubney Last name Beckley Source Bishops' Transcript Age 62 County Berkshire Birth year 1788 --------------------------- Country England Residence Tubney Record set Berkshire Burial Index Death year 1850 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Burial year 1850 Subcategory Parish Burials Burial date 03 Apr 1850 Collections from England, Great Britain Church St Lawrence
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ErikaH
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9 Feb 2024 15:40 |
This MAY be the death of the man recorded as being Daniel's father..............
Name William Beckinsale Death Age 88 Birth Date abt 1767 Burial Date 26 Sep 1855 Burial Place Bampton Aston, Oxfordshire, England Parish as it Appears Bampton
Might be worth finding out if he left a Will.................
Name William Beckensale Gender Male Marriage Date 19 Apr 1786 Marriage Place Bampton,Oxford,England Spouse Hester Beckensale FHL Film Number 952336
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Maddie
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9 Feb 2024 16:05 |
1851 William Beckensale [ ] Age 34 [ ] [ ] Estimated Birth Year [abt 1817] [abt 1777] [abt 1767] [ ] [ ] Relation Father Gender Male Where born Aston, Oxfordshire, England Civil parish Bampton County/Island Oxfordshire Country England Registration district Witney Sub-registration district Ensham ED, institution, or vessel 5 Neighbors Household schedule number 110 Piece 1731 Folio 249 Page number 24 Household Members (Name) Age Relationship Ester Beckensale 45 Head Thomas Beckensale 20 Son Janas Beckensale 18 Son James Beckensale 16 Son Clen Beckensale 13 Daughter Elza Beckensale 11 Daughter Karriet Beckensale 8 Daughter Gabred Beckensale 6 Son William Beckensale 34 Father
1841 Wm Beckinsale Age 70 Estimated Birth Year abt 1771 Gender Male Where born Oxfordshire, England Civil parish Bampton Hundred Bampton County/Island Oxfordshire Country England Registration district Witney Sub-registration district Bampton Neighbors Piece 872 Book 3 Folio 8 Page number 9 Household Members (Name) Age Wm Beckinsale 70 Esther Beckinsale 75
Esther Beckinsale Death Age 88 Birth Date abt 1759 Burial Date 7 Feb 1847 Burial Place Bampton Aston, Oxfordshire, England Parish as it Appears Bampton
from fmp 1851 Cote House, Hamlet of Aston & Cote in the Parish of Bampton, Witney, Oxfordshire, England View original record Household members (9 people) First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Ester Beckensale Head Widow Female 45 1806 Dairy woman Aston, Oxon, England Thomas Beckensale Son Unmarried Male 20 1831 Dairy woman son Aston, Oxon, England Jonas Beckensale Son Unmarried Male 18 1833 Ag lab Aston, Oxon, England James Beckensale Son Unmarried Male 16 1835 Ag lab Aston, Oxon, England Elen Beckensale Daughter - Female 13 1838 - Aston, Oxon, England Eliza Beckensale Daughter - Female 11 1840 Scholar Aston, Oxon, England Harriet Beckensale Daughter - Female 8 1843 Scholar Aston, Oxon, England Gabriel Beckensale Son - Male 6 1845 Scholar Aston, Oxon, England William Beckensale Father Widower Male 84 1767 Pauper Aston, Oxon, England
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nameslessone
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9 Feb 2024 16:08 |
Oxford FHS have transcribed a lot of wills. William 1767-1855 may be the nephew named in the will of another William Beckingsale in 1815. Available on line from Oxf fhs
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Terence
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11 Feb 2024 09:10 |
A big thank you to everyone who answered my post.
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SylviaInCanada
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14 Feb 2024 00:30 |
FWIW .................
it was not unusual for people to change the spelling of their surname even back then. It is still does not actually require any legal procedures. All someone has to do is to make it known to anyone who needs to know that "as from this date, I "John Smith" will be known as Bertie Smellworthy".
As long as there is no criminal intent, then no-one worries. I still see name changes like this regularly in our local newspaper.
Also FWIW, one of my ancestors changed the spelling of their name from Bucktrout to Buckright, then some descendants spelled it Buckwright.
My grandfather's grandfather changed the family name from Scholefield to Schofield. By the time grandfather came along, he had cousins where half the family went under Schofield and the others had reverted back to Scholefield.
TBH, I gave up on them!
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