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Joy *The Carlos Cutie of Ilson*
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29 Jan 2024 13:32 |
I'm trying to help a friend trace her family tree (not putting it online).
This is the information I have from her: Living in Bolsover, Derbyshire in 1911
Joseph Wilson born c1881 Pleasley Hill, Nottinghamshire. Eliza (nee Chapman) (wife) born c1884, Bolsover, Derbyshire. John Richard Chapman born c1902, Bolsover, Derbyshire. Nellie Wilson born c1905, Radford, Nottinghamshire. Edna May Wilson born c1907, Bolsover, Derbyshire. Emily Wilson born 1910, Bolsover, Derbyshire.
Nellie appears to marry 1928 in Manchester, Lancashire. Emily appears to marry in 1929 in Bolsover, Derbyshire. Address at time of marriage - Droylsden, Manchester. Both say Father Deceased.
Any help much Appreciated. Thank you
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ArgyllGran
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29 Jan 2024 14:13 |
Posting 1911 for helpers' reference:
Nellie Wilson in the 1911 England Census Name Nellie Wilson Age in 1911 6 Estimated Birth Year abt 1905 Gender Female Birth Place Radford, Nottinghamshire, England Civil parish Bolsover County/Island Derbyshire Country England Street Address 3 Stateion Road Bolsover Marital Status Divorced Registration District Number 438 Sub-registration district Bolsover ED, institution, or vessel 02 Piece 21123 Household Members (Name) Age Relationship Joseph Wilson 31 Head Eliza Wilson 28 John Richard Chapman 9 Nellie Wilson 6 Edna May Wilson 4 Emily Wilson 1
Nellie's presumed marriage:
Nillie Wilson in the Manchester, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930 Name Nillie Wilson Gender Female Marriage Age 23 Event Type Marriage Birth Year abt 1905 Marriage Date 8 Sep 1928 Marriage Place Manchester, St Philip, Manchester, England Parish as it Appears Manchester Father Joseph Wilson (deceased) Spouse James Beaumont Reference Number M299/3/2/12 Archive Roll 860
1921 (without a sub to FMP) - Joseph's still alive:
Nellie Wilson 1905 Birthplace: Nottinghamshire, England Residence: Droylsden, Ashton under Lyne, Lancashire
Living with Joseph 1880, Joseph 1903, Eliza 1882, Edna M 1907, Emma 1909, Harriett 1912, Ivy 1918 - all Wilson Also John R Chapman 1902. .
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ArgyllGran
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29 Jan 2024 14:15 |
Therefore Joseph's death
Deaths Mar 1928 (>99%) Wilson Joseph 47 Ashton 8d 965
Joseph Wilson in the UK and Ireland, Find a Grave® Index, 1300s-Current Name Joseph Wilson Birth Date 1881 Death Date 14 Mar 1928 Cemetery Droylsden Cemetery Burial or Cremation Place Droylsden, Metropolitan Borough of Tameside, Greater Manchester, England
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29 Jan 2024 14:16 |
The family appear to be in Droylsden Lans in 1921,
Joseph bn Nottingham,,Eliza ,,,Nellie and 6 others are listed. on the same record.
a paid view of 1921 will confirm.
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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29 Jan 2024 14:33 |
1921 census
1921 Census Of England & Wales 11, Hyde Street, Droylsden, Lancashire, England
Household members (9 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Sex Birth year Age in years Birth place Occupation Employer B Joseph Wilson Head Male 1880 40 Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England Miner Coal Hewer Ward, Mr Ward B Eliza Wilson Wife Female 1882 38 Bolsover, Derbyshire, England House Duties - Nellie Wilson Daughter Female 1905 16 Nottinghamshire, England Robin Winder Broad Bent John R Chapman Son Male 1902 18 Bolsover, Derbyshire, England Little Piecer Cotton Spinner Byraim Royal Edna M Wilson Daughter Female 1907 14 Bolsover, Derbyshire, England - - Emma Wilson Daughter Female 1909 11 Bolsover, Derbyshire, England - - Harriett Wilson Daughter Female 1912 8 Bolsover, Derbyshire, England - - Ivy Wilson Daughter Female 1918 3 Bolsover, Derbyshire, England - - Joseph Wilson Nephew, boarder Male 1903 18 Nottinghamshire, England - -
Births Sep 1912 Wilson Harriet Chapman Chesterfield 7b 1558
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ErikaH
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29 Jan 2024 14:35 |
1921 Census Of England & Wales 11, Hyde Street, Droylsden, Lancashire, England Joseph Wilson Head Male 1880 40 Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England Miner Coal Hewer Ward, Mr Ward B Eliza Wilson Wife Female 1882 38 Bolsover, Derbyshire, England House Duties - Nellie Wilson Daughter Female 1905 16 Nottinghamshire, England Robin Winder Broad Bent John R Chapman Son Male 1902 18 Bolsover, Derbyshire, England Little Piecer Cotton Spinner Byraim Royal Edna M Wilson Daughter Female 1907 14 Bolsover, Derbyshire, England - - Emma Wilson Daughter Female 1909 11 Bolsover, Derbyshire, England - - Harriett Wilson Daughter Female 1912 8 Bolsover, Derbyshire, England - - Ivy Wilson Daughter Female 1918 3 Bolsover, Derbyshire, England - - Joseph Wilson Nephew, boarder Male 1903 18 Nottinghamshire, England - -
Whose death are you asking for?
Have you looked for info on freebmd?
have you followed-up on the possible marriages on 1939 register?
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ErikaH
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29 Jan 2024 14:48 |
WILSON, EDNA MAY CHAPMAN GRO Reference: 1907 J Quarter in CHESTERFIELD Volume 07B Page 849
WILSON, NELLIE CHAPMAN GRO Reference: 1905 J Quarter in NOTTINGHAM Volume 07B Page 399
WILSON, HARRIET CHAPMAN GRO Reference: 1912 S Quarter in CHESTERFIELD Volume 07B Page 1558
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ErikaH
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29 Jan 2024 15:03 |
1939 Register 13 Sandywell Street, Manchester, Manchester C.B., Lancashire, England James Beaumont 23 Aug 1904 Male Colliery Hewer Married 92 1 Nellie Beaumont 02 Mar 1905 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 92 2 The record for this person is officially closed. The record for this person is officially closed. Kathleen Baguley (Neech,Beaumont) 24 Sep 1929 Female - Single 92 3
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ErikaH
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29 Jan 2024 15:04 |
As this is your friend's tree, one of the children must be her direct line - which one?
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Joy *The Carlos Cutie of Ilson*
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29 Jan 2024 15:08 |
Thanks People.
Your all fantastic.
It's Eliza Chapman she's related to. Just wants to know what became of her, the husband and the children.
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ErikaH
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29 Jan 2024 15:22 |
CHAPMAN, JOHN RICHARD - GRO Reference: 1902 D Quarter in CHESTERFIELD Volume 07B Page 801
First name(s) John R Parent's name(s) Jos Wilson Last name Chapman Archive Derbyshire Record Office Birth year 1902 Archive reference D6092_3_1 Birth date 28 Sep 1902 Book type Admissions Event year 1909 Record set National School Admission Registers & Log-Books 1870-1914 School name Bolsover Board Infants School Category Education & work Town Bolsover Subcategory Schools & Education County Derbyshire Collections from Great Britain, England Country England
CHAPMAN, JOHN RICHARD 33 GRO Reference: 1935 D Quarter in ASHTON UNDER LYNE Volume 08D Page 837
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ArgyllGran
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29 Jan 2024 15:30 |
Posted death of Joseph Wilson (senior) at 14:15, which is what you seemed to be asking for.
So is your friend wanting all/any info about all family members from 1911 onwards?
"Just wants to know what became of her, the husband and the children."
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Joy *The Carlos Cutie of Ilson*
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29 Jan 2024 15:39 |
Argyll Gran
Yes, she would really appreciate any information on this branch of the family.
Think I've sorted Edna May's Marriage out. Arthur Shawcross in 1924 in Ashton and found them in 1939 Register. Mistranscribed as 'Shallanoss'
Looks like Harriet married James Pearson in 1934 in Ashton.
It's just Eliza's Death and Ivy's Birth, ?Marriage/Death I'm stuck on now.
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ErikaH
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29 Jan 2024 15:39 |
Marriages Dec 1950 (>99%) Beaumont Kathleen Neech Gloucester R. 7b 841 Neech William T Beaumont Gloucester Rural 7b 841
Marriages Dec 1959 (>99%) BAGULEY James W NEECH Manchester 10e 622 NEECH Kathleen BAGULEY Manchester 10e 622
BAGULEY, KATHLEEN 1929 GRO Reference: DOR Q3/2003 in MANCHESTER (0061A) Reg A68B Entry Number 112
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ErikaH
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29 Jan 2024 15:44 |
NO obvious record of Ivy's birth - I would have posted it along with the others
Ditto Emily/Emma
Check yourself on freebmd and the GRO index
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ErikaH
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29 Jan 2024 15:49 |
Ivy is 3yrs 1month in June 1921
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Joy *The Carlos Cutie of Ilson*
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29 Jan 2024 16:19 |
Friend has just found Eliza's Birth Certificate out.
3rd October 1884 is the Date given
So on that basis searched for a possible re-marriage in Ashton.
Walker, Frank - 1928 in Ashton. Living in Droylsden, Lancashire in 1939.
Then to Ginnever, David - 1947 in Chesterfield
Death - Ginnever, Eliza Birth abt 1885, -Year - 1951 in Chesterfield, Derbyshire.
:-D
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ErikaH
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29 Jan 2024 16:44 |
"Think I've sorted Edna May's Marriage out. Arthur Shawcross in 1924 in Ashton and found them in 1939 Register. Mistranscribed as 'Shallanoss' "
Marriages Sep 1924 (>99%) Shallcross Alfred Wilson Ashton 8d 1123 **************************** Wilson Edna M Shallcross Ashton 8d 1123
Name Alfred Shallcross Death Age 77 Birth Date 2 Sep 1904 Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec 1981 Registration district Tameside Inferred County Greater Manchester Volume 39 Page 1659
Name Edna May Shallcross Death Age 87 Birth Date 18 May 1907 Registration Date Mar 1995 Registration district Manchester Inferred County Greater Manchester Register Number I52B District and Subdistrict 0061I Entry Number 34
Daughter
SHALLCROSS, JOYCE GLORIA WILSON GRO Reference: 1931 M Quarter in ASHTON UNDER LYNE Volume 08D Page 926
SAXTON, JOYCE GLORIA 1930 GRO Reference: DOR Q2/2019 in TAMESIDE (014-1C) Entry Number 518941573 Son
SHALLCROSS, EDWIN JOHN WILSON GRO Reference: 1924 S Quarter in ASHTON UNDER LYNE Volume 08D Page 677
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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29 Jan 2024 17:31 |
I looked for Ivy birth but it’s not on the gro or freebmd even though she was supposedly born in Derbyshire also mmn chapman
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29 Jan 2024 17:39 |
Maybe
Name Ivy Wilson Death Age 63 Birth Date 7 Jul 1918 Registration Date Oct 1981 [Nov 1981] [Dec 1981] Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec Registration district Derby Inferred County Derbyshire Volume 6 Page 0924
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