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Yes, that's what I said in my last post.

We're just exploring (and ruling out) possibilities - such as the possibility that maybe your Ann's age might have been written wrongly in 1881.

This ANN is a child of one of Mary's brothers. Mine not born until 1874,

Re Anna M Whalley in 1871 census above -

she is the daughter of Mary J and Samuel Whalley (or at least of Mary).

Mary is listed as sister-in-law in 1871 - that should be daughter-in-law.

PARKER, HANNAH MARIA -
GRO Reference: 1870 D Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 220


Marriages Dec 1870 (>99%)
PARKER Mary Jane Manchester 8d 470
WHALLEY Samuel Manchester 8d 470


Hannah M. Whalley
in the 1881 England Census
Name Hannah M. Whalley
Age 10
Estimated Birth Year abt 1871
Relationship to Head Daughter
Father Samuel Whalley
Mother Mary J. Whalley
Gender Female
Where born Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil parish Newton
County/Island Lancashire
Country England
Street Address 1 Dyson St
Occupation Scholar
Registration district Prestwich
ED, institution, or vessel 17
Neighbors
Piece 4013
Folio 4
Page number 8
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Samuel Whalley 36 Head
Mary J. Whalley 32 Wife
Hannah M. Whalley 10 Daughter
Arthur Whalley 4 Son
Elizabeth A. Whalley 1 Daughter

Martha Ann in 1871.

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Shelmerdine Street, Manchester, Lancashire, England

Household members (10 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Whalley Head
- Male 60 1811 - Lancashire, England
Isabella Whalley Wife
- Female 60 1811 - Lancashire, England
Isabella Whalley Daughter
- Female 19 1852 - Lancashire, England
Samuel Whalley Son
- Male 26 1845 - Lancashire, England
Mary J Whalley Sister-in-law
- Female 23 1848 Burnley Lancashire, England
Martha A Pimbley Granddaughter
- Female 6 1865 - Lancashire, England
William Ireland Boarder
- Male 23 1848 - Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Ireland Wife
- Female 19 1852 - Lancashire, England
Ann Moulton Lodger
- Female 37 1834 - Derbyshire, England
Anna Whalley Granddaughter
- Female 0 1871 - Lancashire, England

Anna M Whalley is 5 months old and born in Manchester as are the others.


Ancestry version
Name John Whalley
Age 60
Estimated Birth Year 1811
Relation Head
Gender Male
Where born Manchester
Civil parish Manchester
County/Island Lancashire
Country England
Registration district Manchester
Sub-registration district St George
ED, institution, or vessel 14
Household schedule number 433
Piece 4049
Folio 86
Page number 77
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
John Whalley 60 Head
Isabella Whalley 60 Wife
Isabella Whalley 19 Daughter
Samuel Whalley 26 Son
Mary J Whalley 23 Sister-in-law
Martha A Prinbley 6 Granddaughter
William Ireland 23 Boarder
Elizabeth Ireland 19 Wife
Ann Moulton 37 Lodger
Anna M Whalley 5/12 Granddaughter

Ann is listed as Tapner on the census.............info given by whoever the enumerator spoke to.
Doesn't mean that Tapner was her legal surname at birth
Of course, her birth may simply not have been registered as the penalties for not registering didn't come into play until 1875

Thank you, took me a while to get through it all. Most I have.
I think Mary left George after death in 1869 of their son George Thomas. DIDN'T know about Joseph Whalley Pimbley!!! Birth of Ann in 1874 is in tiny village of High Crompton were I come from via John Thomas Tapner/Pimley.

Ann is there called Tapner so Mary must 'know' Charles by then. There is no record of her as Tapner/Whalley/Pimbley after 1881 and no obvious death either. This is an almost 20 year challenge with no answer.
It's an interesting lot but no further forward on Ann.

Hope it filled a few minutes for you all, again lots of thanks but the wall still standing.

Thats probably this one Argyll

Name Joseph Pimley
Registration Date 1871
[1871]
Quarter of the Year Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Place Chorlton, Lancashire, England
Volume 8c
Page 674

Mmn Robinson

Looks like Mary in 1871 , with sister and brother-in-law - but no help with the rest of the family:

Mary Pimley
in the 1871 England Census
Name Mary Pimley
Age 30
Estimated Birth Year 1841
Relation Lodger
Gender Female
Where born Manchester
Civil parish Hulme
Ecclesiastical parish St Stephan
County/Island Lancashire
Country England
Registration district Chorlton
Sub-registration district Hulme
ED, institution, or vessel 50
Household schedule number 100
Piece 4002
Folio 126
Page number 19
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
William Machon 41 Head
Sarah Jane Machon 25 Wife
Mary Jane Machon 3 Daughter
William Machon 5/12 Son
Mary Pimley 30 Lodger, married, winder
Mary Parkinson 34 Lodger
Mary Ellen Parkinson 12 Lodger
George Parkinson 10 Lodger



William Machon
in the Manchester, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930 (Cathedral)
Name William Machon
Birth Year abt 1834
Marriage Date 25 May 1866
Parish Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Father's Name Christopher Machon
Spouse's Name
Sarah Jane Whalley <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Spouse's Father's Name John Whalley
Archive Roll 733

Possible death of that child:

Joseph Pimley
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name Joseph Pimley
Age 0
Estimated Birth Year abt 1871
Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec
Death Registration Place Chorlton, Lancashire, United Kingdom
Death Date Dec 1871
Inferred Death Place Lancashire, United Kingdom
Volume 8c
Page 505

There’s also this birth

PIMLEY, JOSEPH WHALLEY
GRO Reference: 1871 D Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 236

Born 1st dec 1871 in workhouse !
Father George occ labourer. mother Mary nee Whalley
Reg 2nd dec in workhouse new bridge street Manchester
Mary signed with an X

Wonder whether Ann was a Tapner as there’s 5 years diff between her and William

So looks like Charles Tapner married very soon after Mary death

Name Charles Tapner
Gender Male
Marriage Age 53
Event Type Marriage
Birth Year abt 1835
Marriage Date 10 Dec 1888
Marriage Place Miles Platting, St Luke, Manchester, England
Parish as it Appears St Luke, Miles Platting, Newton
Father
Charles Tapner
Spouse
Mary Jane Earnshaw
Reference Number M366/1/2/2
Archive Roll 863

He is described as batchelor , Mary was a widow


1891 census

Name Charles Tapner
Gender Male
Age 56
Relationship Head
Birth Year 1835
Spouse
Mary Jane Tapner
Birth Place Alder, Sussex, England
Civil parish Openshaw
Ecclesiastical parish St Barnabas
Residence Place Manchester, Openshaw, Lancashire, England
Registration district Chorlton
Sub registration district Ardwick
ED, Institution or Vessel 73
Neighbors View others on page
Piece 3177
Folio 46
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Charles Tapner 56 Head
Mary Jane Tapner
54 Wife
Mary Lee
30 Lodger
Thomas Lee
32 Lodger


So he didn’t take any of the children with him !

Here's Martha in 1881:

Martha Pimley
in the 1881 England Census
Name Martha Pimley
Age 16
Estimated Birth Year abt 1865
Relationship to Head Niece
Gender Female
Where born Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil parish Manchester
County/Island Lancashire
Country England
Street Address 29 Nicholson St
Occupation Cotton Weaver
Registration district Manchester
Sub registration district St George
ED, institution, or vessel 13
Neighbors
Piece 4000
Folio 126
Page number 67
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Henry Jones 29 Head
Isabella Jones 29 Wife
Martha Pimley 16 Niece
Sterndrig Aldhan 40 Boarder



Marriages Dec 1874 (>99%)
Jones Henry Manchester 8d 604
WHALLEY Isabella Manchester 8d 604

There's this child - but 10 years before Ann:

PIMBLEY, MARTHA ANN mmn WHALLEY
GRO Reference: 1864 D Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 209


Martha Ann Pimbley
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name Martha Ann Pimbley
Gender Female
Baptism Date 12 May 1867
Baptism Place Cathedral,Manchester,Lancashire,England
Father
George Pimbley
Mother Mary
FHL Film Number 438181


Martha Ann Pimbley
in the Manchester, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930
Name Martha Ann Pimbley
Gender Female
Marriage Age 21
Event Type Marriage
Birth Year abt 1865
Marriage Date 6 Jun 1886
Marriage Place Collyhurst, Albert Memorial Church, Manchester, England
Parish as it Appears Manchester
Father
George Pimbley <<<<<<<<<<< doesn't say he's deceased
Spouse
Harry Turner
Reference Number M140/1/28/3
Archive Roll 514

Not seeing a birth for ann

Amry [Mary] Whalley
in the Manchester, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930 (Cathedral)
Name Amry Whalley
Birth Year abt 1842
Marriage Date 18 Jul 1863
Parish Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Father's Name John Whalley
Spouse's Name
George Pimbley - weaver
Spouse's Father's Name John Pimbley
Archive Roll 731


George Pimley
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name George Pimley
Age 36
Estimated Birth Year abt 1841
Registration Quarter Apr-May-Jun
Death Registration Place Salford, Lancashire, United Kingdom
Death Date Jun 1877
Inferred Death Place Lancashire, United Kingdom
Volume 8d
Page 83

I don't see him/them in 1871 so far.

No proof that Tapner was Ann’s father unless you can find a birth or baptism

What was Mr Pimley’s first name? When did he and Mary marry? What happened to him?

Several trees on ancestry but none have her after 1881

Just whilst looking around for what you actually want

Boys registered under Tapner surname

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
TAPNER, WILLIAM CHARLES WHALLEY
GRO Reference: 1878 J Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 358

TAPNER, JOHN THOMAS WHALLEY
GRO Reference: 1881 M Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 708

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
4, Lees Bdgs, Ardwick, Chorlton, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Charles Tapner Head Married Male 49 1832 Bricksetters lab City of London, Middlesex, England
Mary Tapner Wife Married Female 47 1834 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
Ann Tapner Daughter Single Female 7 1874 - High Crompton, Lancashire, England
William C Tapner Son Single Male 2 1879 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
John T Tapner Son Single Male 0 1881 - Ardwick, Lancashire, England