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28 Jan 2024 16:22 |
Ann was born in 1874 in the village of High Crompton Lancs. Her mother was Mary Pimley nee Whalley who did not marry Ann's father Charles Tapner. They had two sons William Charles, died unmarried in 1910, & John Thomas (my grandfather). I have all the Births, Census and deaths etc for all the above but Ann only appears in the 1881 census. I would love to know what happened too her. The boys used Pimley as surname after mother/father split before 1884 when mother died and boys were put in Prestwich Workhouse.
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ArgyllGran
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28 Jan 2024 17:04 |
Posting 1881 for helpers' reference:
Ann Tapner in the 1881 England Census Name Ann Tapner Age 7 Estimated Birth Year abt 1874 Relationship to Head Daughter Father Charles Tapner Mother Mary Tapner Gender Female Where born High Crompton, Lancashire, England Civil parish Ardwick County/Island Lancashire Country England Street Address 4 Lees Bdgs Registration district Chorlton ED, institution, or vessel 21 Neighbors Piece 3898 Folio 94 Page number 26 Household Members (Name) Age Relationship Charles Tapner 49 Head - London Mary Tapner 47 Wife - Manchester Ann Tapner 7 Daughter William C. Tapner 2 Son - Masser [?] John T. Tapner Son 4 mths - Ardwick
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28 Jan 2024 17:07 |
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census 4, Lees Bdgs, Ardwick, Chorlton, Lancashire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Charles Tapner Head Married Male 49 1832 Bricksetters lab City of London, Middlesex, England Mary Tapner Wife Married Female 47 1834 - Manchester, Lancashire, England Ann Tapner Daughter Single Female 7 1874 - High Crompton, Lancashire, England William C Tapner Son Single Male 2 1879 - Manchester, Lancashire, England John T Tapner Son Single Male 0 1881 - Ardwick, Lancashire, England
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28 Jan 2024 17:20 |
Just whilst looking around for what you actually want
Boys registered under Tapner surname
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: TAPNER, WILLIAM CHARLES WHALLEY GRO Reference: 1878 J Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 358
TAPNER, JOHN THOMAS WHALLEY GRO Reference: 1881 M Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 708
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greyghost
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28 Jan 2024 18:09 |
Several trees on ancestry but none have her after 1881
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ErikaH
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28 Jan 2024 19:25 |
No proof that Tapner was Ann’s father unless you can find a birth or baptism
What was Mr Pimley’s first name? When did he and Mary marry? What happened to him?
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ArgyllGran
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28 Jan 2024 22:34 |
Amry [Mary] Whalley in the Manchester, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930 (Cathedral) Name Amry Whalley Birth Year abt 1842 Marriage Date 18 Jul 1863 Parish Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George Father's Name John Whalley Spouse's Name George Pimbley - weaver Spouse's Father's Name John Pimbley Archive Roll 731
George Pimley in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915 Name George Pimley Age 36 Estimated Birth Year abt 1841 Registration Quarter Apr-May-Jun Death Registration Place Salford, Lancashire, United Kingdom Death Date Jun 1877 Inferred Death Place Lancashire, United Kingdom Volume 8d Page 83
I don't see him/them in 1871 so far.
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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28 Jan 2024 22:34 |
Not seeing a birth for ann
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ArgyllGran
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28 Jan 2024 22:46 |
There's this child - but 10 years before Ann:
PIMBLEY, MARTHA ANN mmn WHALLEY GRO Reference: 1864 D Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 209
Martha Ann Pimbley in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name Martha Ann Pimbley Gender Female Baptism Date 12 May 1867 Baptism Place Cathedral,Manchester,Lancashire,England Father George Pimbley Mother Mary FHL Film Number 438181
Martha Ann Pimbley in the Manchester, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930 Name Martha Ann Pimbley Gender Female Marriage Age 21 Event Type Marriage Birth Year abt 1865 Marriage Date 6 Jun 1886 Marriage Place Collyhurst, Albert Memorial Church, Manchester, England Parish as it Appears Manchester Father George Pimbley <<<<<<<<<<< doesn't say he's deceased Spouse Harry Turner Reference Number M140/1/28/3 Archive Roll 514
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ArgyllGran
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28 Jan 2024 22:53 |
Here's Martha in 1881:
Martha Pimley in the 1881 England Census Name Martha Pimley Age 16 Estimated Birth Year abt 1865 Relationship to Head Niece Gender Female Where born Manchester, Lancashire, England Civil parish Manchester County/Island Lancashire Country England Street Address 29 Nicholson St Occupation Cotton Weaver Registration district Manchester Sub registration district St George ED, institution, or vessel 13 Neighbors Piece 4000 Folio 126 Page number 67 Household Members (Name) Age Relationship Henry Jones 29 Head Isabella Jones 29 Wife Martha Pimley 16 Niece Sterndrig Aldhan 40 Boarder
Marriages Dec 1874 (>99%) Jones Henry Manchester 8d 604 WHALLEY Isabella Manchester 8d 604
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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28 Jan 2024 22:55 |
So looks like Charles Tapner married very soon after Mary death
Name Charles Tapner Gender Male Marriage Age 53 Event Type Marriage Birth Year abt 1835 Marriage Date 10 Dec 1888 Marriage Place Miles Platting, St Luke, Manchester, England Parish as it Appears St Luke, Miles Platting, Newton Father Charles Tapner Spouse Mary Jane Earnshaw Reference Number M366/1/2/2 Archive Roll 863
He is described as batchelor , Mary was a widow
1891 census
Name Charles Tapner Gender Male Age 56 Relationship Head Birth Year 1835 Spouse Mary Jane Tapner Birth Place Alder, Sussex, England Civil parish Openshaw Ecclesiastical parish St Barnabas Residence Place Manchester, Openshaw, Lancashire, England Registration district Chorlton Sub registration district Ardwick ED, Institution or Vessel 73 Neighbors View others on page Piece 3177 Folio 46 Household Members (Name) Age Relationship Charles Tapner 56 Head Mary Jane Tapner 54 Wife Mary Lee 30 Lodger Thomas Lee 32 Lodger
So he didn’t take any of the children with him !
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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28 Jan 2024 22:59 |
Wonder whether Ann was a Tapner as there’s 5 years diff between her and William
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28 Jan 2024 23:11 |
There’s also this birth
PIMLEY, JOSEPH WHALLEY GRO Reference: 1871 D Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 236
Born 1st dec 1871 in workhouse ! Father George occ labourer. mother Mary nee Whalley Reg 2nd dec in workhouse new bridge street Manchester Mary signed with an X
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ArgyllGran
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28 Jan 2024 23:14 |
Possible death of that child:
Joseph Pimley in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915 Name Joseph Pimley Age 0 Estimated Birth Year abt 1871 Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec Death Registration Place Chorlton, Lancashire, United Kingdom Death Date Dec 1871 Inferred Death Place Lancashire, United Kingdom Volume 8c Page 505
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ArgyllGran
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28 Jan 2024 23:24 |
Looks like Mary in 1871 , with sister and brother-in-law - but no help with the rest of the family:
Mary Pimley in the 1871 England Census Name Mary Pimley Age 30 Estimated Birth Year 1841 Relation Lodger Gender Female Where born Manchester Civil parish Hulme Ecclesiastical parish St Stephan County/Island Lancashire Country England Registration district Chorlton Sub-registration district Hulme ED, institution, or vessel 50 Household schedule number 100 Piece 4002 Folio 126 Page number 19 Household Members (Name) Age Relationship William Machon 41 Head Sarah Jane Machon 25 Wife Mary Jane Machon 3 Daughter William Machon 5/12 Son Mary Pimley 30 Lodger, married, winder Mary Parkinson 34 Lodger Mary Ellen Parkinson 12 Lodger George Parkinson 10 Lodger
William Machon in the Manchester, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930 (Cathedral) Name William Machon Birth Year abt 1834 Marriage Date 25 May 1866 Parish Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George Father's Name Christopher Machon Spouse's Name Sarah Jane Whalley <<<<<<<<<<<<<< Spouse's Father's Name John Whalley Archive Roll 733
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28 Jan 2024 23:33 |
Thats probably this one Argyll
Name Joseph Pimley Registration Date 1871 [1871] Quarter of the Year Oct-Nov-Dec Registration Place Chorlton, Lancashire, England Volume 8c Page 674
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30 Jan 2024 14:16 |
Thank you, took me a while to get through it all. Most I have. I think Mary left George after death in 1869 of their son George Thomas. DIDN'T know about Joseph Whalley Pimbley!!! Birth of Ann in 1874 is in tiny village of High Crompton were I come from via John Thomas Tapner/Pimley.
Ann is there called Tapner so Mary must 'know' Charles by then. There is no record of her as Tapner/Whalley/Pimbley after 1881 and no obvious death either. This is an almost 20 year challenge with no answer. It's an interesting lot but no further forward on Ann.
Hope it filled a few minutes for you all, again lots of thanks but the wall still standing.
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ErikaH
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30 Jan 2024 14:50 |
Ann is listed as Tapner on the census.............info given by whoever the enumerator spoke to. Doesn't mean that Tapner was her legal surname at birth Of course, her birth may simply not have been registered as the penalties for not registering didn't come into play until 1875
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31 Jan 2024 12:41 |
Martha Ann in 1871.
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Shelmerdine Street, Manchester, Lancashire, England
Household members (10 people) First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place John Whalley Head - Male 60 1811 - Lancashire, England Isabella Whalley Wife - Female 60 1811 - Lancashire, England Isabella Whalley Daughter - Female 19 1852 - Lancashire, England Samuel Whalley Son - Male 26 1845 - Lancashire, England Mary J Whalley Sister-in-law - Female 23 1848 Burnley Lancashire, England Martha A Pimbley Granddaughter - Female 6 1865 - Lancashire, England William Ireland Boarder - Male 23 1848 - Lancashire, England Elizabeth Ireland Wife - Female 19 1852 - Lancashire, England Ann Moulton Lodger - Female 37 1834 - Derbyshire, England Anna Whalley Granddaughter - Female 0 1871 - Lancashire, England
Anna M Whalley is 5 months old and born in Manchester as are the others.
Ancestry version Name John Whalley Age 60 Estimated Birth Year 1811 Relation Head Gender Male Where born Manchester Civil parish Manchester County/Island Lancashire Country England Registration district Manchester Sub-registration district St George ED, institution, or vessel 14 Household schedule number 433 Piece 4049 Folio 86 Page number 77 Household Members (Name) Age Relationship John Whalley 60 Head Isabella Whalley 60 Wife Isabella Whalley 19 Daughter Samuel Whalley 26 Son Mary J Whalley 23 Sister-in-law Martha A Prinbley 6 Granddaughter William Ireland 23 Boarder Elizabeth Ireland 19 Wife Ann Moulton 37 Lodger Anna M Whalley 5/12 Granddaughter
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ArgyllGran
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31 Jan 2024 13:30 |
Re Anna M Whalley in 1871 census above -
she is the daughter of Mary J and Samuel Whalley (or at least of Mary).
Mary is listed as sister-in-law in 1871 - that should be daughter-in-law.
PARKER, HANNAH MARIA - GRO Reference: 1870 D Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 220
Marriages Dec 1870 (>99%) PARKER Mary Jane Manchester 8d 470 WHALLEY Samuel Manchester 8d 470
Hannah M. Whalley in the 1881 England Census Name Hannah M. Whalley Age 10 Estimated Birth Year abt 1871 Relationship to Head Daughter Father Samuel Whalley Mother Mary J. Whalley Gender Female Where born Manchester, Lancashire, England Civil parish Newton County/Island Lancashire Country England Street Address 1 Dyson St Occupation Scholar Registration district Prestwich ED, institution, or vessel 17 Neighbors Piece 4013 Folio 4 Page number 8 Household Members (Name) Age Relationship Samuel Whalley 36 Head Mary J. Whalley 32 Wife Hannah M. Whalley 10 Daughter Arthur Whalley 4 Son Elizabeth A. Whalley 1 Daughter
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