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16 Jan 2024 00:09 |
I would like information regarding Edna M Knight b. 1921 in Leicester, father Charles Knight, mother Dora Barwell. Also who I believe is Edna's half-sister, Beryl Daniels Knight b. 1929 in Islington, mother Dora Barwell. I think Beryl may have sometimes used the surname of Jacobs which was her step-father's surname. They are connected to my family although not blood relations. I would just like to know what happened to them.
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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16 Jan 2024 08:14 |
Try looking on freebmd for possible marriages and children
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16 Jan 2024 08:28 |
Marriage
Marriages Dec 1931 Jacobs James E Knight Lambeth 1d 710 Knight Dora Jacobs Lambeth 1d 710
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16 Jan 2024 08:31 |
Looks like 3 possibly births for Jacobs mmn Barwell from 1931 to 1939
Details on freebmd
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16 Jan 2024 08:45 |
1939 register
1939 Register 39 Stoneliegh, Sutton, Carshalton U.D., Surrey, England
Household members (6 people)
First name(s) Last name(s) Birth date Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule sub number James E Jacobs 16 Nov 1895 Male Paper Hanger & Painter Married 133 1 Dora Jacobs 12 Oct 1895 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 133 2 The record for this person is officially closed. The record for this person is officially closed. Joan E Showell (Jacobs) 27 Apr 1933 Female At School Single 133 5 Edna M Knight 03 May 1921 Female ? Machinist Hand Single 133 6
So that shows one of the Jacobs children. The others are closed records because the deaths haven’t been picked up
Looks like too that Edna never married
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16 Jan 2024 08:50 |
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Name Dora Jacobs Death Age 87 Birth Date 12 Oct 1895 Registration Date Oct 1982 [Nov 1982] [Dec 1982] Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec Registration district Sutton Inferred County Greater London Volume 15 Page 0421
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16 Jan 2024 09:01 |
Marriages Dec 1951 JACOBS Joan E SHOWELL Surrey N.E. 5g 751 SHOWELL William J JACOBS Surrey N.E. 5g 751
Death First name(s) Joan Ellen Register number 1190 Last name Showell County London Sex Female Volume 13 Birth day 27 Page 1624 Birth month 4 Country England Birth year 1933 Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007 Death quarter 4 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Registration month 11 Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials Death year 1990 Collections from Great Britain, England District Kensington & Chelsea
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16 Jan 2024 10:35 |
https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
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16 Jan 2024 11:48 |
1921 Census Of England & Wales 5, Court, Belgrave Gate, Leicester, Leicestershire, England
Alfred Austin Head Male 1868 53 Leicester, Leicestershire, England Labourer None Boot Factory Stead & Simpson Out Of Work Boot Mfrs Sarah Austin Wife Female 1868 53 Leicester, Leicestershire, England Home Duties None - Charles Cufflin Boarder Male 1894 27 Leicester, Leicestershire, England Barman Private Pubtt Cricket Hotel Norah Cufflin Boarder Female 1899 22 Leicester, Leicestershire, England Rover Wool Man Whitmore Ltd Wool Spinner Edna Knight Boarder Female 1921 - Leicester, Leicestershire, England -
1921 Census Of England & Wales 55, Belgrave Gate, Leicester, Leicestershire, England William Arthur Barks Visitor Male 1869 51 Derbyshire, England Packer Pottery Messrs C Woutram Co Dora Knight Servant Female 1895 25 Ketton, Rutland, England Domestic Mary Jane Kinsman Temperance Hotel Harry Hanson Boarder Male 1904 16 Leicester, Leicestershire, England Out Porter Dofferman Leicester Elizabeth Dawson Boarder Female 1870 50 Burton on Trent, Staffordshire, England Domestic Mary Jane Kinsman Tempernce Hotel Joseph Willar Boarder Male 1861 60 Leicester, Leicestershire, England Clerk Guardians Office Bockington Walk
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16 Jan 2024 11:55 |
Beryl's birth is registered as Knight with MMN Barwell, so, legally, she is a full sister to Edna, although if the mother lied about the father's identity when registering the birth, it would be difficult to prove nearly a century later.
Can't find any definite record of her apart from birth registration
KNIGHT, BERYL DANIELS BARWELL GRO Reference: 1929 S Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 264
There are two closed records in 1939.....................she could be one of them
Births Mar 1931 (>99%) Jacobs James A Barwell Lambeth 1d 402 Births Jun 1933 (>99%) Jacobs Joan E Barwell Camberwell 1d 851
Marriages Dec 1931 (>99%) Jacobs James E Knight Lambeth 1d 710 Knight Dora Jacobs Lambeth 1d 710
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16 Jan 2024 12:08 |
Birth, showing middle name:
KNIGHT, EDNA MAY mmn BARWELL GRO Reference: 1921 J Quarter in LEICESTER Volume 07A Page 598
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16 Jan 2024 12:12 |
Dora Barwell is in a GR member's tree. Try making contact
It may help us to help you if you give details of the 'connection' with your family.
I see you added a note against 1939 register on Ancestry. Couldn't you find any info on that site?
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16 Jan 2024 12:15 |
JACOBS, JAMES ALBERT 1931 GRO Reference: DOR Q2/2010 in LANCASHIRE (5911K) Reg 1K006 Entry Number 503395717
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16 Jan 2024 12:34 |
Deaths of women named Edna May with DoB to fit existing info......from ANCESTRY
Name Edna May Evans Birth 3 May 1921 Death Jul 2006 Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England Name Edna May Marsh Birth 3 May 1921 Death Oct 2005 Kidderminster, Worcestershire, England Name Edna May Lye Birth 3 May 1921 Death Nov 1993 Swindon, Wiltshire, England Name Edna May Lucas Birth 3 May 1921 Death Nov 1994 Tunbridge Wells, Kent, England
Name Edna May Baker Birth 3 May 1921 Death Apr 1978 Westminster, Greater London, England Name Edna May Johnson Birth 3 May 1921 Death Jan 1979 Macclesfield, Cheshire, England Edna May Sellars Birth 3 May 1921 Death Apr 1988 Doncaster, South Yorkshire, England
Name Edna May Hickman Birth 3 May 1921 Death Nov 1990 Stockport, Greater Manchester, England
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16 Jan 2024 12:59 |
Looking randomly at that list of deaths - you'd need certs (marriage and/or death) to rule them in or out:
A long shot - re the 1978 death above - Maybe , just because of geography ????
Marriages Jun 1959 (>99%) BAKER Reuben W KNIGHT Surrey Mid.E. 5g 289 KNIGHT Edna M BAKER Surrey Mid.E. 5g 289
Surrey Mid E includes Carshalton, where your Edna was in 1939.
Edna and Reuben are on ER for Sutton & Cheam until at least 1966, per Ancestry. Reuben may have remarried (third marriage ?) in 1984 - but he's not the only man of that name.
Reuben (a lot older than your Edna, if it was your Edna whom he married) with a previous wife in 1939 in Carshalton - at the same address as in 1966:
Reuben W Baker in the 1939 England and Wales Register Name Reuben W Baker Gender Male Marital Status Married Birth Date 19 Dec 1908 Residence Date 1939 Address 8 Inverness Road Residence Place Sutton and Cheam, Surrey, England Occupation Surgical Last & Cork ?? Orthopaedic Boot & Shoe Line Number 40 Schedule Number 221 Sub Schedule Number 1 Enumeration District Cnlp Borough Sutton and Cheam Registration district 31/4 Inferred Spouse Contance Baker Household Members (Name) Gender Reuben W Baker Male Constance Baker Female This record is officially closed. [ This is their daughter, born 1938 ]
Reuben died in Sutton in 1998.
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16 Jan 2024 13:44 |
But no married name is given on the 1939 register suggesting Edna never married
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16 Jan 2024 13:59 |
Do you have Beryl actual birthdate ?
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16 Jan 2024 15:28 |
Elimination
Marriages Jun 1949 (>99%) Hickman Samuel P Sykes Manchester 10e 115 Sykes Edna M Hickman Manchester 10e 115
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16 Jan 2024 15:52 |
Another for elimination;
Marriages Mar 1944 (>99%) LIDBURY Edna M Lye Swindon 5a 37 (born Swindon) LYE Dennis R Lidbury Swindon 5a 37
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16 Jan 2024 15:58 |
Possibly another elimination - re 2005 death in Kidderminster:
Marriages Dec 1939 (>99%) Marsh Herbert Taylor Dudley 6c 28 Taylor Edna M Marsh Dudley 6c 28 (born in Dudley RD )
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