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1939 Register
121 Melland Road, Manchester, Manchester C.B., Lancashire, England
Lillian Stott 01 Nov 1908 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 260 1
Edwin Stott 01 Feb 1903 Male Retired Carter Married 260 2
The record for this person is officially closed.
The record for this person is officially closed.

HORNBY, LILIAN STONE
GRO Reference: 1908 D Quarter in PRESTWICH Volume 08D Page 420

1939 Register
15 Orrell Street, Manchester, Manchester C.B., Lancashire, England

John Hornley 10 Feb 1882 Male Forge Furnaceman Heavy Work Married 35 1
Rosina Hornley 21 Jan 1884 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 35 2
Doris Nugent (Hornley) 18 ? 1926 Female At School - 35 3

Month of Doris's birth begins with letter J............I think either Jan or Jun..................doesn't look like July

Corrections of surname submitted to FMP


NUGENT, DORIS 1926
GRO Reference: DOR Q4/2009 in MANCHESTER (0061B) Reg 1B004 Entry Number 502445893

Yes That is one of mine but nothing about Doris I have 2 Lilians Hornby 1908
As you say I'd have to get the birth certificate to find out more about her which I don't think it is that important as yet, as I know who she married

Thank you

Ancestry SUGGESTS this for Doris's birth:

Doris Hornby
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1916-2007
Name Doris Hornby
Registration Date Apr 1925 [May 1925] [Jun 1925]
Registration Quarter Apr-May-Jun
Registration district Wigan
Inferred County Greater Manchester
Mother's Maiden Name Hornby
Volume Number 8c
Page number 195


HORNBY, DORIS -
GRO Reference: 1925 J Quarter in WIGAN Volume 08C Page 195 Occasional Copy: A


Possibly Lilian/Lily was her mother - though you'd have to buy the birth cert to find out.


Lilian Hornby
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name Lilian Hornby
Registration Date Jan 1929 [Feb 1929] [Mar 1929]
Registration Quarter Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district South Manchester
Inferred County Lancashire
Spouse Edwin Stott
Volume Number 8d
Page number 219

Oh I just took it for granted

I'll tackle that one another day But when I do I'll find this one and add to it

I know Doris is with John and Rosina in 1939…it was her BIRTH as Hornby/Stone I said I couldn’t trace

Nowhere in 1939 does it give relationship info

Sorry I didn't know you had added more I'll have a look

Also Erika I found Doris with her parents in the 1939 register

Thanks Again

Now for another Question

CRAGG, GLADYS STONE
GRO Reference: 1902 D Quarter in STOCKPORT Volume 08A Page 94

Hilda in 1911 ??

Hilda Cragg
in the 1911 England Census
Name Hilda Cragg
Age in 1911 3
Estimated Birth Year abt 1908
Relation to Head Boarder
Gender Female
Birth Place Clayton M/Cr, Lancashire, England
Civil parish Droylsden
County/Island Lancashire
Country England
Street Address 290 Market Street Droylsden M/C
Registration District Number 468
Sub-registration district Audenshaw
ED, institution, or vessel 07
Piece 24373
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
William Jepson 28 Head
Nellie Jepson 25 Wife
Ethel Jepson 1 Daughter
Samuel Whitehead 66
Hilda Cragg 3 Boarder

Clayton is in Ashton-under-Lyne RD


Still no sign of Gladys in 1911.

Yes, that looks like them.

CRAGG, HILDA mmn STONE
GRO Reference: 1907 D Quarter in ASHTON-UNDER-LYNE Volume 08D Page 500

CRAGG, ROSE mmn STONE
GRO Reference: 1919 S Quarter in PRESTWICH Volume 08D Page 609

The Craggs in 1921?
1921 Census Of England & Wales
4, Grayson Street, Clayton, North Manchester, Lancashire, England
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Household members (5 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Sex Birth year Age in years Birth place Occupation Employer
Thomas W Cragg Head
Male 1873 48 Stockport, Cheshire, England Carter George W Durdiken Farmer And Carrier
Elizabeth Cragg Wife
Female 1881 39 Openshaw, Lancashire, England Home Duties -
Hilda Cragg Daughter
Female 1907 13 Openshaw, Lancashire, England - -
Rosina Cragg Daughter
Female 1919 1 Clayton, England - -
>>William Stone Boarder
Male 1886 35 Openshaw, Lancashire, England General Labourer Electro Motors Ltd Motor And Dynams Makers


and 1939

No 4 Grayson Street, Manchester, Manchester C.B., Lancashire, England

Household members (3 people)
First name(s) Last name(s) Birth date Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule sub number
William T Cragg 29 Dec 1872 Male Old Age Pensioner Married 131 1
Elizabeth Cragg 26 Jun 1880 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 131 2
Rosina Cragg 13 Jul 1919 Female Unemployed Single 131 3





Hilda with Eliza (mother) and Gladys b 1902 in 1908.

First name(s) Hilda
Locality of record Manchester Withington Workhouse
Last name Cragg
Records title Creed Register
Birth year 1907
Date range 1908 - 1909
Admission/Discharge year 1908-09
Film M 327 - 2 - 2 - 27
Admission year 1908
Record set Manchester Workhouse Registers 1800-1911
Admission day 15
Category Institutions & organisations
Admission month Dec
Subcategory Workhouses and Poor Law
Previous residence Openshaw
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1939 Register
49 Louisa Street, Manchester, Manchester C.B., Lancashire, England
Harry Rhodes 07 Mar 1901 Male Turner Married 376 1
Gladys Rhodes 05 Sep 1902 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 376 2
Harry Rhodes 30 Oct 1923 Male Apprentice Miller Engineer Single 376 3
Edwina Rhodes 08 Nov 1927 Female At School Single 376 4

Have you found Gladys in 1911?
I can't see her, nor Eliza and Thomas Cragg.


Gladys seems to be in three trees on Ancestry, but none of them name her parents.
DOB 5 Sept 1902; married Harry Rhodes in 1923.
Died 8/4/1990; buried in Gorton Cemetery, Manchester

I can find no trace of a birth for DORIS with parents Hornby/Stone in 1926

You may need to re-think ;-) ;-)

Sorry about the posts my line is the Hornby Line and it is spread very wide so I lose track of what I have done but with it being the 1921 census I think it is different because it is new

So sorry but when I get some thing in my head I follow it up and don't look back on here to see what I've asked for

As I said a very big Hornby line and the children are named the same I've got 39 John Hornby's

So Sorry But Thank you, you always help

Just to let you know Erika was right with the 1921 census 15 Orrel St That was the address in 1939 also Rosina had a sister Elizabeth/Eliza so Gladis could have been hers
and in 1926 they had a daughter Doris who married a Nugent which is in the 1939 register
son William 1914 died 1914

Thank you

Deaths Mar 1906 (>99%)
Hornby Selina 1 Chorlton 8c 498

Easily done.... ;-) ;-)

There are numerous threads about this family posted by this OP

I've probably confused two different families with similar names when searching on 1921 census without a sub!

This has been provided before...................

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1384561

1911 Census For England & Wales
2 Orr Street Openshaw Manchester, South Manchester, Lancashire, England
William Stone Head Widower Male 64 1847 Labourer for bricklayer Studem Bedford
Thomas Stone Son Single Male 23 1888 Machine slotter Bedfordshire Bedford
William Stone Son Single Male 25 1886 Bricklayers labourer Bedfordshire Bedford
John Hornby Son in law Married Male 30 1881 Blacksmiths stricker Gorton Manchester
Rosina Hornby Daughter Married Female 27 1884 - Bedfordshire Bedford
Lily Hornby Granddaughter - Female 2 1909 - Openshaw Manchester
John Hornby Grandson - Male 4 1907 - Openshaw Manchester

Hornby married 7 years...5 children, of whom 3 have died