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Hooper: father Samuel; married Reginald Hawkins in 1920.

Barrett: born 18 April 1895, died unmarried in 1976.

Bridgland: born 20 Feb 1895; parents Harold and Jane; emigrated to Australia in 1910; married Norman Hammill in 1924 in Australia.

Hanley: parents Louisa and Henry; married Elijah Newborough in 1916; died 1973.

Maybe this one??

Hill: parents Arthur & Adelaide; in 1911 mother is with new partner Thomas WYNN Moore, a strolling musician.
Claims to be married 2 years, but can't see marriage.
Winifred still called Hill in 1911.


Thomas Wynn Moore
in the 1911 England Census
Name Thomas Wynn Moore
Age in 1911 24
Estimated Birth Year abt 1887
Relation to Head [head]
Gender [male]
Birth Place Castleacre, Norfolk, England
Civil parish Cambridge
County/Island Cambridgeshire
Country England
Street Address 204 Newmarket Road, Cambridge
Marital Status [married]
Occupation Musician Strollery [Musician strolling]
Registration District Number 181
Sub-registration district St Andrew the Less
ED, institution, or vessel 10
Piece 9110
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Thomas Wynn Moore 24 Head
Adelaide Moore 38 Wife
Winifred Hill 16 Step Daughter
Jack Hill 10 Step Son
Carmenett Hill 6 Step Daughter



HILL, CARAMANELLA mmn CHILDS
GRO Reference: 1905 M Quarter in CAMBRIDGE Volume 03B Page 441

HILL, WINIFRED KATHLEEN mmn CHILDS
GRO Reference: 1895 J Quarter in THINGOE Volume 04A Page 784


The son Jack [Arthur Jack] kept the name Hill throughout his life.

Caramanella must have shortened or changed her name in later life.

Hmmm - that was a promising start, but it seems to be the wrong Winifred.


A tree on Ancestry says that Winifred Kathleen Hill married George W Brock in Bedford in 1912, and had children Winifred Mary Hill in 1911 in Cambridge ( illegitimate per GRO) , and Veronica Brock in 1914 in Bedford (mmn Hill).

George died in 1914:

George Wm Brock
in the UK, World War I Pension Ledgers and Index Cards, 1914-1923
Name George Wm Brock
Gender Male
Rank Private
Record Type Military
Death Date 28 Dec 1914
Service Number 6732
Corps, Regiment or Unit Bedfordshire Regiment
Title WWI Pension Record Cards and Ledgers
Description Other Ranks Died Brocas A-Bromley G
Next of Kin (Name) Relation to Soldier
George Wm Brock
Winifred Kathleen Brock Widow
Veronica Brock Child
Winifred Mary Brock Child


The tree says she remarried in 1916 in Bedford, to Sidney Beddoes.

Marriages Dec 1916 (>99%)
Beddoes Sidney R Brock Bedford 3b 710
Brock Winifred K Beddoes Bedford 3b 710

Sidney died in 1918.


Winifred seems to have married yet again in 1920:

Marriages Jun 1920 (>99%)
Beddoes Winifred K Burden Bedford 3b 1065
Burden George Beddoes Bedford 3b 1065

and died in 1970:

Deaths Sep 1970 (>99%)
BURDEN Winifred Kathleen 1Ap1895 Bedford 4a 101

The only remaining birth on Gwyn's list is this one:

Taylor: parents William Samuel Thomas Taylor (a joiner) and Edith Anna Taylor.
Married Ernest Gill in 1917 in Plymouth - and they were still living in Plymouth in 1939.


So - back to the drawing board!

Wow you're a star for digging through that lot for me thank you ever so much I really do appreciate it alot , I think Winifred marrying and having a first child (my Gran) at 31 was a bit late? I always wondered if she married before or even had more children...I wish I had a time machine

A bit more info for us, from Emma's post on CuriousFox:

"Looking for info on Winifred Wynn. Born around 1895 died 1961. Father was William Wynn, on winifreds marriage cert it says fathers occupation ACTOR. i HAVE PHOTOS OF wINIFRED AS A DANCER TAKEN IN BRISTOL,Dolphin Street. "

Can you tell us more about those photos, Emma?
Was she dancing in a music hall or theatre? Did you find the photos online?
Or are they old family photos?

If she was born in 1895, she would have been of an age to be marrying WW1 - ish. So many women married and lost husbands in the war, dipped out because there weren't the spare men around or married later, so perhaps not so surprising.

Re Jink30 @ 7pm

I wonder if the person who constructed the tree on FMP was aware of the telegram rather than having concrete proof.

Emma, as I asked previously, is that your tree on ancestry with the photos and the telegram from Buckingham Palace asking her to report for duty in the Stewards Room Pantry from S Haimes Comptroller of Supplys office.
There is also the letter from Westminster Bank stating they had received an application and had paid Mrs L J Wessell, sister of Mr A A Charman, the small credit balance left to assist with the funeral arrangements. There was no moneys or securities of any description left.

If Winifred was a dancer and her father an actor is there any mention of them in The Stage available on British Newspsper Archive. ( don’t have time to the research at the moment)

Thankyou!!! That's me with the photos and Buckingham Palace telegram. The photos are family photos I can't find any online unfortunately


I'm confused....is this an entry I've missed...the William Wynn actor?

Thankyou!!! That's me with the photos and Buckingham Palace telegram. The photos are family photos I can't find any online unfortunately


I'm confused....is this an entry I've missed...the William Wynn actor?

Thankyou!!! That's me with the photos and Buckingham Palace telegram. The photos are family photos I can't find any online unfortunately


I'm confused....is this an entry I've missed...the William Wynn actor?

I've searched for documents about the dancing and Williams acting and not found anything. I wonder if she made the actor bit up

Several of the trees (16 on Ancestry) show a Post Office employment record for Winifred K Charman as a typist - but it's dated 1918, so obviously not the right person.

That's more likely to be the Winifred Kathleen Charman born in Croydon in 1900.

As always, some people put any old stuff on their trees and others blindly copy it.

The same with the trees giving Sarah as her mother - there's absolutely no proof.

Jink that Winifred on stage is interesting...now my over active mind is saying my Winifred was a spy and took someone's identity ( too much coffee)

Not just you Emma...I've been wondering if the Buck House telegram is some kind of coded message!!! :-D :-D

The letter from the bank suggests she had no part in the funeral arrangements for her husband. His sister had applied for whatever money was left in his account and been granted it 'to assist in the payment of the deceased's funeral expenses.' Winifred applied later, perhaps as his widow, and got told there was nothing left. May 1944

May 21st 1931
The Royalty
"Tiger Cats"
The cast
Marianne- Miss Winifred Wynn.

This extract from the stage is dated 1931,Winnifred was married in 1926 so doubtful its her?

Winifred coud have been born in Ireland and left before any 1901&1911 census and she wouldnt be on a in-comming passenger list from there,

Could she have been reg as Winifred Katherine or Kate and just assumed the Kathleen.?

Jink20 the 1939 has Winifred's birth date as 03 Feb 1895

If Winifred was a professional dancer known by her maiden name then it is quite likely that she carried on using it professionally.