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Having searched the “usual place’s” I can’t find or think of anywhere else to look for Wilhelmina’s birth/baptism

Born 1799 Scotland? (from census 1841 through 1881) Married Henry Hodgson, possibly Dacre, Cumberland (Penrith) sometime before 1841, 7 children first one in 1825, maiden name taken from second youngest son’s (James Hodgson 1838) birth image.

She married George Kirkbride 15 October 1859 (Penrith) after Henry Hodgson’s death.

She died 10 September 1883 (I have image) age given 84

The name McCulloch is given for her on an Ancestry tree but I’ve no idea why

Can anyone help please

Edited re marriage to Henry!!

Who is named as her father on her marriage cert?

Marriages Dec 1859 (>99%)
Hodgson Wilhelmina Penrith 10B 519
Kirkbride George Penrith 10b 519

Could you re-think the date of her first marriage? ;-) ;-)

None given….

Apologies I’ve edited…..

Suggested by a tree-owner on Ancestry....................NO proof offered


Henry Hodgson
Spouse Wilhelmina Kirkbride
Father Joseph Hodgson
Mother Hannah Hodgson
Children James
Birth 1798 Lowther, Westmorland, England
Death Oct 1852 Penrith, Cumberland, England
Residence 1851 Dacre, Cumberland, England

No idea why that would be as she’s on 1851 census with Henry and Jame Hodgson, her name also being Hodgson….

She didn’t become Kirkbride until 1859

Henry’s parents were Joseph and Hannah, Henry died 1852 (have the image), Henry born Lowther 1797

child bapt

Henry Hodgson
Gender Male
Baptism Date 18 Mar 1832
Baptism Place Dacre,Cumberland,England
Father
Henry Hodgson
Mother
Wilhalmina
FHL Film Number 90608

William Hodgson
Gender Male
Baptism Date 16 Mar 1828
Baptism Place Dacre,Cumberland,England
Father
Henry Hodgson
Mother
Wilhalmina
FHL Film Number 90608


so any marrriage before then

mcculloch comes from a ancestry hint

Wilhelmina Mcculloch
Gender Female
Birth Date 14 Jan 1799
Birth Place Glasgow,Lanark,Scotland
Father
Andrew Mcculloch
Mother
Wilhelmina Honyman

Just shows one can seldom rely on Ancestry trees

If she didn't know her father's identity, you've probably hit the proverbial 'brick wall'

The name Mcculloch on the Ancestry tree is because that's one of Ancestry's suggestions and the tree owner has assumed the suggestion is fact - but there's no proof that that's the same person:

Wilhelmina Mcculloch
in the Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
Name Wilhelmina Mcculloch
Gender Female
Birth Date 14 Jan 1799
Birth Place Glasgow,Lanark,Scotland
Father Andrew Mcculloch
Mother Wilhelmina Honyman

From SP..............also on FMP

MCCULLOCH
WILHELMINA
ANDREW MCCULLOCH/WILHELMINA HONYMAN FR1813 (FR1813)
F
14/01/1799
644 / 1
190 / 415
GLASGOW

Thank you all for searching…

This is the baptism of who could be their first child, at least I haven’t found any prior…

Name Joseph Hodgson
Gender Male
Baptism Date 6 Feb 1825
Baptism Place Dacre,Cumberland,England
Father Henry Hodgson
Mother Wilhalmina
FHL Film Number 90608

Yes, I saw the tips/info on ancestry re Wilhelmina but couldn’t find proof either!!

Sadly I think you may be right re “brick wall”

The first marriage would be the clincher, but there is no online record of it as far as can be seen

Could it be worth a trip to Carlisle archives? I’ve looked at their online stuff but “no results”?

Might take a trip back to Darce on Sunday, see if I can see the vicar, maybe the records are still in the church…also a great reason to have lunch in Mungrisdale !!!

Thank you

TBH, unlikely for 200-year- old records to be anywhere except the Records office.

Hi Everyone

Having purchased a copy of Kirkbride/Hodgson 1859 marriage I find that Wilhelmina’s farther is named on there (having previously been informed, by a former trusted searcher, not Ancestry, professional etc, who supposedly has a copy, that he wasn’t named!!! beyond me why she lied but hey ho it takes all sorts)

Frank Ward, Farrier, deceased

Wilhelmina and George were both residing at Red Barn, Dacre when they married, she a widow 55yr, he a bachelor 45yr.

I’ve searched for a death up to 1859 for Frank, one did stand out in Barrow 1854 but when I investigated on the GRO website it was Barrow on Soar not Barrow in Furness as I hoped it might be.

I’m still no further on with this info, any suggestions please

from the 1861 census there is a son William Hodgson age 2. GRO has the registration 1858 but with no mother's maiden name recorded. Henry's son or George's?

Edit - found William's baptism - mother Hannah so grandson to Wilhelmina not son as stated in census